Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night? I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday. I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.
Hopefully Everton take advantage…
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
I'm surprised they've kept Amorim, I get giving him time but he's not improved anything and doesn't look like doing so either
I don't follow the PL much but every time I see him his body language and vibe is so very very negative. It's like he has given up and is waiting for the inevitable. Should have moved him on in the summer. Glasner would do a good job there and would go.
The irony is that Glasner plays the same 343 formation as Amorim.
Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night? I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday. I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.
Hopefully Everton take advantage…
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
Is that right? I didn’t know that.
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"
A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night? I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday. I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.
Hopefully Everton take advantage…
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
Is that right? I didn’t know that.
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"
A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night? I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday. I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.
Hopefully Everton take advantage…
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
Is that right? I didn’t know that.
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"
A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money money
They've simply alternated what weeks the Champions League and Europa / Conference League games are on... Its why Palace played in the League Cup this week.
Rather than all European games being across one week
Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night? I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday. I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.
Hopefully Everton take advantage…
The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
Is that right? I didn’t know that.
I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"
A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night? I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday. I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it.
Hopefully Everton take advantage…
It's not unusual. Klopp used to moan about it all the time as there was stat produced a couple of years back that showed Liverpool were the team given by far the most 12.30 Saturday kick offs after a European week.
What is a bit silly though is that Arsenal played in an early kick off on Tuesday and Man City play in an evening kick off tonight, so Arsenal get 2 days extra rest ahead of their game on Sunday.
If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.
There's one point you've missed in your very good summary AA. Their recruitment of managers is shocking.
Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist
Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded
Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas
Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites
Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick
They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot
If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.
I wouldn't go that far. Rashford and McTominay were there for years and played over 650 games for United combined.
I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side.
I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.
If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.
I wouldn't go that far. Rashford and McTominay were there for years and played over 650 games for United combined.
I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side.
I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.
McTominay started 119 PL games in the 8 seasons since he made his debut. In his final two seasons there he started just 28 PL games in total - 10 and 18 respectively. He started as sub in his first Serie A game and since then has started every single one of Napoli's 37 matches. There is a world of difference between the way he was treated at the two clubs.
There's one point you've missed in your very good summary AA. Their recruitment of managers is shocking.
Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist
Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded
Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas
Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites
Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick
They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot
They probably should have stuck with Moyes for longer. Was always going to be a thankless task for whoever took over from Ferguson.
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I'd love to see him in the Premier League as manager
Not sure he'd be a good choice.
A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.
Rather than all European games being across one week
As part of the new format each of the three UEFA competitions has its own exclusive week without fixtures from the other two competitions.
What is a bit silly though is that Arsenal played in an early kick off on Tuesday and Man City play in an evening kick off tonight, so Arsenal get 2 days extra rest ahead of their game on Sunday.
Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.
Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least.
Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag.
Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.
Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen.
Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.
Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist
Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded
Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas
Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites
Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick
They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot
I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side.
I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.