++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

NabySarr · November 26

Addick Addict said:

Chunes said:

Addick Addict said:

Chunes said:

Team stats are not a marker for individual performance.

They can be. If one was to take that to its nth degree then, effectively, we would have to say that Haaland's performances haven't contributed to City's stats. No one else in the PL for City has scored more than a single goal and it is because of his 14 goals that they have the number of points they have. But then he has a supply of chances made by some world class creative players. Those are individual performances too. We've got a lot of ball carriers but not a lot of inventiveness.

I repeat, 9 shots on target in total in the last 4 matches. That's a team stat and is directly, if not wholly, linked to the performance of individuals. Be that the creators or opportunity takers.

Equally, the chances are that had Edwards been playing in the last couple of games, his individual performance would have, almost certainly meant that we would not have had that team stat of conceding 8 goals in 2 games - we let in 5 goals in the 7 matches he played in and picked up 4 clean sheets and 11 points in the process.

I'm sure we are not going to agree on this, which is fine, but Haaland's goals are individual outputs. That's why we can link them to points. "City wins more with Haaland" isn't the proof... "Haaland scores a high share of their goals" is.

If it was 0-0 yesterday and Kaminski dropped the ball into his net, how does that reflect on Kelman, Burke or whoever else isn't playing? But you could easily use that result in a team stat argument to say we lose without them.

I don't think any recruitment department judges a player on the team’s win or loss record when he’s on the pitch because it tells you nothing about their contribution.

I'm not saying that each and every goal conceded is down to someone's direct contribution. That mistake by Kaminski is his contribution to the result. What I am saying that each and every player's contribution is analysed. In the case of Edwards, it will be how many times he makes a tackle, how many times he loses possession, how many times he loses the person he marks, how many successful passes he completes etc etc. So those individual stats will form part of the team's performance.

With Kelman, of course, goals, shots etc etc will form part of it. But other stats like how many times he wins the ball, how many times he holds, how many times he closes down a defender. They also contribute because it means that the ball doesn't keep coming back and we are under constant pressure. Unfortunately, because of the way we play and that lack of service will affect the number of chances he gets but that doesn't mean that he hasn't done his bit.

All footballers are measured by what they do with and without the ball and both contribute to a team's stats and performance. NJ clearly thinks that Kelman is our best option but there were others who felt that Leaburn would be better starting. That isn't the case by any metric. Others believe that Godden will be better but until he is actually fit we aren't going to know.

Leaburn has had a better season so far by pretty much every metric that matters

I think this is a classic case of a player becoming better in people’s minds while out of the team, because the team isn’t doing well. Kelman isn’t some pressing god like people seem to be making out he is now, he wins the ball back in the final 3rd and middle 3rd less than Leaburn does. Kelman was pretty rubbish, he started getting a little better, scored and then frustratingly got injured straight after when it looked like things could have been on the up for him, but he was overall pretty rubbish

Our team is a well drilled machine to play an exact system. When we have an eleven of available players that fit the roles, it works. We don’t have a LWB, it messes up the system and we can’t press the way we usually do. It’s not Kelman missing that’s the problem, if we had Bell or Edwards fit then we’d have barely noticed that he was missing

letthegoodtimesroll · November 26

Billy_Mix said:

He might only have one goal in 13 appearances but we've been measurably worse without him
Nothing sticks up front when he's absent
He must have been doing lots more of the hard, dirty unglamorous stuff than any of the bods used since he's been out.

Not going to be the headline on his CV 🤣 rather an indictment of the others

I think it’s more a case of Miles and Campbell tending to move from a standing position which makes them much easier to deal with for the defenders, whereas Kelman and Godden look more like hunter/poachers and are constantly on the look out and already on the go so basically a fucking headache for defenders.
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Crispywood · November 26

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit.

cafc_se7 · November 26

Crispywood said:

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit.

Also absolutely hilarious that some think that Godden is automatically a bigger loss to us than someone who is younger, scored more goals last season and has also been in a side that has been performing. That is no disrespect to Godden by the way, but extremely naive to think that just because he was pivotal to us last season in a farmers league he will be important to us again in a more physical/quicker league!

NabySarr · November 26

cafc_se7 said:

Crispywood said:

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit.

Also absolutely hilarious that some think that Godden is automatically a bigger loss to us than someone who is younger, scored more goals last season and has also been in a side that has been performing. That is no disrespect to Godden by the way, but extremely naive to think that just because he was pivotal to us last season in a farmers league he will be important to us again in a more physical/quicker league!

Godden’s allround game is so obviously much better than Kelman’s.

The only doubt with Godden is whether he can recover from this injury and get back to what he was last season. If he does then he will make a big difference and be one of the first names on the team sheet, and be starting ahead of Kelman

cafc_se7 · November 26

It’s a NabySarr said:

cafc_se7 said:

Crispywood said:

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit.

Also absolutely hilarious that some think that Godden is automatically a bigger loss to us than someone who is younger, scored more goals last season and has also been in a side that has been performing. That is no disrespect to Godden by the way, but extremely naive to think that just because he was pivotal to us last season in a farmers league he will be important to us again in a more physical/quicker league!

Godden’s allround game is so obviously much better than Kelman’s.

The only doubt with Godden is whether he can recover from this injury and get back to what he was last season. If he does then he will make a big difference and be one of the first names on the team sheet, and be starting ahead of Kelman

Im a huge fan of Godden but I disagree, I think the champ may be a bit too much of an ask for him! Centre backs will pick up on his movement so much better than League One centre backs.

NabySarr · November 26

cafc_se7 said:

It’s a NabySarr said:

cafc_se7 said:

Crispywood said:

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit.

Also absolutely hilarious that some think that Godden is automatically a bigger loss to us than someone who is younger, scored more goals last season and has also been in a side that has been performing. That is no disrespect to Godden by the way, but extremely naive to think that just because he was pivotal to us last season in a farmers league he will be important to us again in a more physical/quicker league!

Godden’s allround game is so obviously much better than Kelman’s.

The only doubt with Godden is whether he can recover from this injury and get back to what he was last season. If he does then he will make a big difference and be one of the first names on the team sheet, and be starting ahead of Kelman

Im a huge fan of Godden but I disagree, I think the champ may be a bit too much of an ask for him! Centre backs will pick up on his movement so much better than League One centre backs.

Last season in league 1 Kelman offered very little other than goals and work rate. Godden was crucial to our build up play as well as the goals. He’s much better than Kelman at winning duels, holding the ball up, linking play etc and is just clearly a much more well rounded striker than Kelman is at the moment

It just depends on if Godden has regressed due to this injury. He was still scoring goals in the championship before we signed him so if he gets back to what he was he will be fine in the championship

oohaahmortimer · December 13

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

RodneyCharltonTrotta · December 13

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

Great news on both fronts.

bolloxbolder · December 13

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

Great news on both fronts.

But incorrect as no Bell today

oohaahmortimer · December 13

bolloxbolder said:

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

Great news on both fronts.

But incorrect as no Bell today

Kelmans prolly got a broken leg and doesn’t realise it after that about Bell 🙄

paulsturgess · December 13

If I’d known what I know now, I wouldn’t have spent so much of the play off final biting my nails

but I still hope he is back soon just because… we need something/anything …

maybe he’ll perform better now the pressure is of him cos we’re so shit

Bilko · December 13

Probably don’t want to risk them today with 4 games in 12 days over the Christmas period coming up.

ElfsborgAddick · December 13

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

Great news on both fronts.

Bell is not even on the bench!

KettsJohn · December 13

Yeah I would think it wise to wait another week. Another week of training and protecting the the injuries. Oxford is massive now. Norwich seem to have turned the corner so will need as many for and ready players for the Xmas games

Chris_from_Sidcup · December 15

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

So can we expect Kelman and Bell on the bench for Oxford?

ForeverAddickted · December 15

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

So can we expect Kelman and Bell on the bench for Oxford?

Its possible that they may maybe not be available to not appear against Oxford

Bedsaddick · December 15

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

So can we expect Kelman and Bell on the bench for Oxford?

No

bolloxbolder · December 15

No knowledge but I reckon Bell will start with Kelman on the bench.

CaptainRobbo · December 15

ForeverAddickted said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

So can we expect Kelman and Bell on the bench for Oxford?

Its possible that they may maybe not be available to not appear against Oxford

Thanks for making things a bit clearer 👍

superclive98 · December 15

CaptainRobbo said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

So can we expect Kelman and Bell on the bench for Oxford?

Its possible that they may maybe not be available to not appear against Oxford

Thanks for making things a bit clearer 👍

Or, thanks for not making things less clearer.

Croydon · December 15

What did he even do? Was it an injury in training?

fenaddick · December 15

Croydon said:

What did he even do? Was it an injury in training?

Hamstring if I remember right

Crispywood · December 15

Croydon said:

What did he even do? Was it an injury in training?

Hamstring injury in training

Croydon · December 15

Cheers gents

mendonca · December 15

He felt his hamstring in the Swansea game that he scored in, which led to his 68th-minute substitution. It started as a minor "complaint."

EugenesAxe · December 15

ForeverAddickted said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

oohaahmortimer said:

From mate who saw Kelman in the club shop this week

Charlie Kelman said he's fit again, but the Consultant told him one more week, to be 100% certain. But he said he'll be back next week instead, playing full-time, which is good news. Plus, he reckons Amari Bell is back today at Birmingham, apparently.

So can we expect Kelman and Bell on the bench for Oxford?

Its possible that they may maybe not be available to not appear against Oxford

But one week closer

Jdredsox · December 15

So now Charlie has been out a while, and everyone appreciates him a bit more 😉, once he gets back I think we should appropriate the old Lawrie Wilson song for him.

Rothko · December 18

Top lad

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSam9VnCPBz/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

CAFCsayer · December 18

Rothko said:

Top lad

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSam9VnCPBz/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

That is quality, and a great video... Well done Charlie

++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

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