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Assessing Our Recruitment
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Whilst I agree for most parts that 3M is nothing in today’s market at this level you look at the 15 top goal scorers in the league Vitponik free, Mcburnie free, Geldhardt loan Burrell 1M, Thomas 1.5-2M, Moore 2M, it shows you can get good forwards for good value, just because our players haven’t cost 7-9M like some other players it shouldn’t be an excuse if they underperform0
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4 of those have barely had a chance, and another (Kelman) was showing signs of improvement then immediately got injured.CafcSteve said:The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.
Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.
Hernandez is the only real dud out of that lot but he was out of contract and signed as emergency cover, and i'm not even sure he's a wing back so it's not like we were expecting the next Roberto Carlos.2 -
The wages for those players would in the main be much more than we could afford though.Crispywood said:Whilst I agree for most parts that 3M is nothing in today’s market at this level you look at the 15 top goal scorers in the league Vitponik free, Mcburnie free, Geldhardt loan Burrell 1M, Thomas 1.5-2M, Moore 2M, it shows you can get good forwards for good value, just because our players haven’t cost 7-9M like some other players it shouldn’t be an excuse if they underperform
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I don’t think Kelman, Tanto or Knibbs have been given a fair crack really.CafcSteve said:The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.
Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.
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But you have to question why Tanto and Knibbs in particular haven't had their shot. Knibbs looks shattered after 5 minutes, is he actually match fit? And what are they doing in training? We know that NJ takes notice of training performances from how he talks about young players like Mbick, if you impress him in training you get a go.The Red Robin said:
I don’t think Kelman, Tanto or Knibbs have been given a fair crack really.CafcSteve said:The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.
Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.
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Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).
I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.
Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.0 -
Would give Phil Chapple some time to let him get his ideas across first. Fella has only been in the door for the past 6 monthsMendonca In Asdas said:Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).
I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.
Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.4 -
Sorry, I didn’t make myself very clear.shirty5 said:
Would give Phil Chapple some time to let him get his ideas cross first. Fella has only been in the door for the past 6 monthsMendonca In Asdas said:Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).
I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.
Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.
I’d keep PC as well and have an international scout who could bring in some quality from around the globe, Scandi etc , but hopefully not at the prices we’re paying over here.0 -
I think the longer we are in the championship we will see ourselves expand our recruitment outside of the UK. We will need to if we want to keep progressingMendonca In Asdas said:Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).
I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.
Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.
It is a risk though, and I think initially it’s got to be maybe 1 or 2 signings max per season. Looking at Norwich for example they’ve signed a lot of talented players from abroad but they are really struggling with the championship. It’s great if you can do it well but it’s not something you should ever rely fully on like Norwich have as it can really hurt you if you sign a lot and they all struggle to adapt1 -
I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton MorrisMarcusH26 said:
Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.SouthLincsAddick said:
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.0 -
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I think Derby unfortunately would have blown us out the water on wages but I agree that Morris was someone I thought would have been on our targets listMrBurns said:
I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton MorrisMarcusH26 said:
Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.SouthLincsAddick said:
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.4 -
Whatever Jones thinks of his new signings, he’s got to give some of them more than cameo appearances or the odd sporadic start.5
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I think we are going to see just how serious the owners are about us this window - if we don't manage to halt this run and start losing to those in the relegation picture, we're gonna have to chuck some pretty big money at it - to get guaranteed performers in this division is going to cost. The strategy of proven championship quality but with dubious injury records plus top league 1 potential might need to be reviewed.0
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Only issue I think the owners will have is when they have allowed Jones to spend big to this point it hasn’t worked out.DOUCHER said:I think we are going to see just how serious the owners are about us this window - if we don't manage to halt this run and start losing to those in the relegation picture, we're gonna have to chuck some pretty big money at it - to get guaranteed performers in this division is going to cost. The strategy of proven championship quality but with dubious injury records plus top league 1 potential might need to be reviewed.
We don’t need to spend big as our fully fit XI have shown they can compete what we need is just a pair of wingbacks so we don’t become hopeless as soon as we lose bell Edwards etc0 -
Carey - Brilliant, best new signing of the lot
Kaminski - Average, does something brilliant and then something terrible
Olaofe - Average, doesn't seem to get anywhere near the game time of Golden Boy Tupac and the Nepo Baby Miles
Bell - Good, but severely injury prone as we were made aware of
Burke - See above
Apter - Good first month, DUD ever since
JRC - DUD
Kelman - Dud up until his last couple of games before his injury
Hernandez - DUD
Knibbs - Same as Olaofe but Docherty instead of the golden duo
Bree - Good at first, bang average ever since2 -
It's a massive shame we couldn't get Galbraith, the Swansea fans are talking of him being captain and moving to the Prem soon. Would have been a definite upgrade on Docherty.
Had we also kept Small we would have had a player who can cover right and left and with those two instead of Apter we would be significantly better for a similar amount of money. Of course I have no idea on wages and both possibly not achievable on that.3 -
Totally disagree think your seeing now what an important player Kelman is to us we miss him so much up top .. Knibbs and Olaofe have chipped in when git a chance ( they scored more then Leaburn and Campbell ) think Apter been unfairly treated and really should be replacing Campbell .. Because Coventry and Doc have been excellent it’s been hard for Costello to make his mark so unfair to judge ..CafcSteve said:The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.
Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.
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Wages he was on premiership money at LutonMrBurns said:
I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton MorrisMarcusH26 said:
Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.SouthLincsAddick said:
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.0 -
The recruitment will look worse on reflection when we move a number of them on in a year.1
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So was Kaminski and Amari’i bell. I’m guessing we just didn’t want to spend on a player we would get no profit from.RonnieMoore said:
Wages he was on premiership money at LutonMrBurns said:
I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton MorrisMarcusH26 said:
Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.SouthLincsAddick said:
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.0 -
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Adam Idah cost 7m and he’s scored 1 goal for Swansea this season, ironically against us. So in that respect Kelman is a bargain.MarcusH26 said:
Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.SouthLincsAddick said:
Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.J BLOCK said:Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.2 -
Good to see some perspective.
From the overall impression I got after we got promoted a Season ahead of the expected timeline, there was a pretty positive view on the recruitment to keep us in the Division.
And up until the crucial injuries and these past very difficult fixtures in a row, we surprised a lot of people.
Now it's time to get back to it.3 -
What’s everyone’s thoughts now on who’s lived up to expectation from The Summer?0
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My thoughts are that I wouldn’t let Nathan Jones anywhere near it. Sign players for him and if he doesn’t like it he can go.
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All the loan signings are good and vital. Without them likely a different story. I’d sign Clarke particularly.0
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Bell has been a quality addition. The January signings have all played a vital part.CafcSteve said:What’s everyone’s thoughts now on who’s lived up to expectation from The Summer?
I dont think any of the others are good enough to be starting in the championship next season.7 -
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Bargain Hunt.3 -
Buy cheap shit buy twice3
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Quite telling that probably the two most successful summer signings have been Carey and Bell, and they were both free transfers. For a variety of reasons, pretty much everyone we paid money for last summer has been disappointing, although i don't think Kaminski has been as bad as some people make out.CafcSteve said:What’s everyone’s thoughts now on who’s lived up to expectation from The Summer?
Two of them (Apter/Olaofe) were loaned out within 6 months. Knibbs was injured for ages, JRC rarely given a chance and Kelman has looked ok at times, but is clearly out of favour. Not sure if we paid any fee for Burke but the less said about him the better.
The one bright spark was the January signing of Sichenje. Hopefully there is a lesson to be learnt here moving forward. Stop overpaying for league one shit and look abroad for bargains.
Another positive has been the loan signings. For a manager who has said in the past he's not a fan of loans, i think Jones has done pretty well with loan recruitment.5 -
Kaminski - okay at this level. If we were pushing for promotion I think we need better. Should be given another season to see if he can improve
Bree - decent addition at first and I thought we’d found a gem. Soon dipped and never really got back to the heights of those early games. I don’t think he would’ve added much more had we been able to keep him
Clarke - done well. Has had a couple of difficult moments and unfortunately been on the end of some good chances you’d want to fall to a forward, but I think he’s really added something. Not sure what his wage demands are, but I wouldn’t be adverse to keeping him if the price is right
Chambers - good addition. Young, learning his craft, but the first player we’ve had able to play at left wing back since Edwards’ injury and do it to an okay ability. Not sure he’s an option for next season
Burke - May be a talented player but we have to stop this weird fascination with spending money on players with long term injury records. I thought with the cheat code Aneke leaving we’d finally learnt our lesson. And then comes along another high paid sick note. Needs to be moved on in the summer if possible.
Schenje - too early to tell. Hopefully an athletic and strong presence needed at the back
Bell - a very good signing. The team have looked poorer for his absence, has also managed to perform okay at LWB when asked to step in. This has probably been our best acquisition imo
Hernandez - I know he was only brought in for short term cover and thank god that was the case. His sum contribution was that handball at Wrexham. Waste of time, glad he came and went quickly
Coady - Clever addition. We’ve benefited from his experience and leadership. Bit dubious of him playing in the home games given the glacial pace of Docherty, Coventry and Carey etc, but overall a good signing. I’m not sure he’s worth pursuing for next season
JRC - we all thought we’d seen glimpses of something different in our midfield when he finally broke into the team over Xmas. He looked comfortable on the ball and could offer up stuff that looked beyond the likes of Docherty. However, he’s never really grasped the opportunity with both hands, and something must be missing given how little we see him. I expect he’ll be here next season, being used in a similar capacity
Knibbs - the injury has made this one trickier to evaluate, but I think he falls into the bracket of top end league one player who hasn’t/won’t be able to make the step up. We’ll have to see, but I think he’s another player that isn’t good enough at this level that we’re now having to stick with based on contract length and hangover from last summer’s business
Kelman - same as Knibbs. I actually quite like him, and have always felt he’s a clever player, struggling in a team that offers little service. The jury is still out. Could he do better in a quicker team that is stronger on the ball, or have got someone who ultimately can’t deliver at the latter. For me he definitely gets another chance next season
Carey - fair play for all the goals, that is a skill and some of them have been really well taken (Ipswich, BBurn at home and Leicester and Soton away). However, I just don’t rate him. If he doesn’t score he’s anonymous and I think he’s too slow and the game just passes him by at this level. He’s pretty much a guaranteed starter which doesn’t help as he knows he’s unlikely to be dropped. He’s going to be here next year, I just hope that’s as a player on the bench, not starting
Apter - showed a lot of early promise, but let’s not kid ourselves. Gone back down into league one and struggled. We gambled, but it’s probably not going to work. Still young, so can’t be written off completely, plus he’s not a wing back, so played out of position, but I can’t see him being part of a solid championship outfit
Tanto - same as Apter but given his age, he’s not up to it. Needs to be moved on imo
Dykes - good, effective short term signing. His game isn’t pretty, but given his goals and contributions, he’s delivered. Not sure I’d want him leading the line next season, but grateful for what he’s done in the short term
Fevrier - glimpses of skill on the ball, but signed as back up and it looks like he’s a league one player. I think if we saw more of him, we’d quickly realise his limitations
I think that’s everyone; but overall our transfer business has been a 6/10 for me. Overall the contributions from Kaminski (just - I know he’s a liability), Bell, Coady, Chambers, Clarke and Dykes, probably Carey (his goals) have just about been enough to tip it above 50% in terms of success and impact
We will need a lot better in the summer if we stay up and can compete next season10
