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https://x.com/bbctms/status/2000502217967906991MrOneLung said:Harry Brook totally not reading the room and saying they have had a fantastic time off since the last test
"We had a belting time"0 -
Are the players not allowed time off? And if they're asked the question what do you expect them to do? Lie and say it was awful and they were miserable the whole time?0
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Theres a middle ground though isnt there. if that was put to me in that situation I'd say something like "We've been working hard, had some great sessions. We've also managed to take a little time away from cricket and have a little rest physically and mentally"fenaddick said:Are the players not allowed time off? And if they're asked the question what do you expect them to do? Lie and say it was awful and they were miserable the whole time?8 -
Hit the nail on the head there , Bashir isn't going to get another Div 1 deal because the majority of them will have frontline spinners already signed and most aren't complete No11s. Bethell I'd love to see actually play in the CC next year but he'll probably be carrying the drinks in the IPL for someone for the first chunk of games.Addick Addict said:
The sad thing is that he is going to struggle to actually have a meaningful career. He's not a white ball spinner, can't bat and teams in the CC might only need him for half a season. Bethell is in a similar position, so far as his stunted development is concerned, but he has the advantage of being a white ball player too.MarcusH26 said:So I think it's safe to say the Shoab Bashir experiment is over. What a debacle and horrendous management from Key and Mccullum. Written off every county spinner that's actually taken wickets for someone who was Somerset's third choice and now can't even get a county contract. Rehan Ahmed next summer then?
This is as much down to the ECB as it is McCullum and Key though. The effectiveness of the CC and the 50 over competition, as schools for young cricketers to develop their careers, has been totally eroded. The England management can't trust the pathway so find themselves selecting on "hunches" and "analysts" but compound that by then over protecting them, in enforcing those central contracts, in refusing to use those vehicles to allow those players to learn their craft.
This entire management philosophy from the ECB down has been a disaster in terms of how they treat the county game in recent years. Feels like it's the poor relation to the cash cow of The Hundred which in turn has turned the 50 over competition into crickets answer to the Vertu Trophy where counties are just blooding academy talents because the first team aren't around. Of course this can work out well in the long term , certainly for Kent getting the likes of Ben Dawkins time in the middle is useful but the whole competition feels like a complete afterthought.2 -
I wonder what Charlton fans would think if the team were in the relegation zone, playing terribly and looking like they weren't up for "the fight".fenaddick said:Are the players not allowed time off? And if they're asked the question what do you expect them to do? Lie and say it was awful and they were miserable the whole time?
Then in a Thursday press conference, a player says that since the last defeat we haven't spoken about football or been on the training ground once.
But we have had a great time enjoying ourselves and not giving a second thought to our critical position.3 -
But that isn’t what Brook said, they have been training and they had a few scheduled days off. I bet you our players had a few days off in the international break despite our poor form tooCovered End said:
I wonder what Charlton fans would think if the team were in the relegation zone, playing terribly and looking like they weren't up for "the fight".fenaddick said:Are the players not allowed time off? And if they're asked the question what do you expect them to do? Lie and say it was awful and they were miserable the whole time?
Then in a Thursday press conference, a player says that since the last defeat we haven't spoken about football or been on the training ground once.
But we have had a great time enjoying ourselves and not giving a second thought to our critical position.0 -
I was referring to the clip posted above where Brook says in the break we tried to stay away from cricket and had a belting time.fenaddick said:
But that isn’t what Brook said, they have been training and they had a few scheduled days off. I bet you our players had a few days off in the international break despite our poor form tooCovered End said:
I wonder what Charlton fans would think if the team were in the relegation zone, playing terribly and looking like they weren't up for "the fight".fenaddick said:Are the players not allowed time off? And if they're asked the question what do you expect them to do? Lie and say it was awful and they were miserable the whole time?
Then in a Thursday press conference, a player says that since the last defeat we haven't spoken about football or been on the training ground once.
But we have had a great time enjoying ourselves and not giving a second thought to our critical position.
Perhaps you listened to the full interview which was not posted above.0 -
Another sound bite (no pun intended) to come out today is stokes saying he wants England "to show a bit of dog"
I have no idea what that even means??0 -
Comes from rugby. Means to show some fight/determination when under the cosh. Decent sound bite to be fair. Whether this team has any fight in it, I guess we’ll find out over the next few daysKarim_myBagheri said:Another sound bite (no pun intended) to come out today is stokes saying he wants England "to show a bit of dog"
I have no idea what that even means??1 -
I've mentioned previously that the England bowlers won't be doing that much bowling in the nets relative to the time spent by batters in the nets which is one of the frustrations given what Jimmy Anderson talked about in terms of preparation. Footage that is published of them doing so is purely for social media.
As with other Ashes series, the Darren Lehmann Cricket Academy in Adelaide have provided the net bowlers for both England and Australia prior to this Test. Some of the footage of world class batters, from both camps, getting out is always interesting in that scenario but even more so for those 18-20 year olds that have taken those scalps.0 -
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Two expected changes to the Australia team for 3rd Test:
Cummins in for his first appearance of the series, Lyon back in after missing the day night Test. Neser, Doggett out.
1 Travis Head
2 Jake Weatherald
3 Marnus Labuschagne
4 Steve Smith
5 Cameron Green
6 Josh Inglis
7 Alex Carey
8 Pat Cummins
9 Mitchell Starc
10 Nathan Lyon
11 Scott Boland
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Bit surprised they didn't bring in Webster for Inglis in case Cummins is undercooked.
Don't think it'll matter, mind you.0 -
MarcusH26 said:
Hit the nail on the head there , Bashir isn't going to get another Div 1 deal because the majority of them will have frontline spinners already signed and most aren't complete No11s. Bethell I'd love to see actually play in the CC next year but he'll probably be carrying the drinks in the IPL for someone for the first chunk of games.Addick Addict said:
The sad thing is that he is going to struggle to actually have a meaningful career. He's not a white ball spinner, can't bat and teams in the CC might only need him for half a season. Bethell is in a similar position, so far as his stunted development is concerned, but he has the advantage of being a white ball player too.MarcusH26 said:So I think it's safe to say the Shoab Bashir experiment is over. What a debacle and horrendous management from Key and Mccullum. Written off every county spinner that's actually taken wickets for someone who was Somerset's third choice and now can't even get a county contract. Rehan Ahmed next summer then?
This is as much down to the ECB as it is McCullum and Key though. The effectiveness of the CC and the 50 over competition, as schools for young cricketers to develop their careers, has been totally eroded. The England management can't trust the pathway so find themselves selecting on "hunches" and "analysts" but compound that by then over protecting them, in enforcing those central contracts, in refusing to use those vehicles to allow those players to learn their craft.
This entire management philosophy from the ECB down has been a disaster in terms of how they treat the county game in recent years. Feels like it's the poor relation to the cash cow of The Hundred which in turn has turned the 50 over competition into crickets answer to the Vertu Trophy where counties are just blooding academy talents because the first team aren't around. Of course this can work out well in the long term , certainly for Kent getting the likes of Ben Dawkins time in the middle is useful but the whole competition feels like a complete afterthought.
I hadn't actually realised 'til now that Somerset have formally turned down the opportunity to re-sign Bashir despite his wages being funded by the ECB and merely thought that, due to the lack of opportunities there, he was seeking other opportunities himself with one still on the table with them.
Bashir needs to get a contract somewhere even if that means playing in that county's second team on occasions and forget his reported delusion that he will only accept a three-year deal. He is now in revitalising his career territory and needs to start doing the very thing he hasn't been - namely playing.
Which brings me onto Jacks. I can't honestly believe that he has now become England's number one spinner but, in the absence of someone who can fulfil that role (and offer control too) and especially with Key, McCullum and Stokes at the helm, he might become just that. In which case, he will have to bowl more than the 74.1 overs he did in the CC last summer (and that's without, unlike Bashir, having any England Test commitments). Without that, he isn't (not that he probably will anyway) going to become Graeme Swann overnight. Trouble is that he has even worse issues that Bashir - the same ones in terms of when cricket is played but, unlike Taunton, the Oval is hardly known as being a spinner's paradise!2 -
Jacks won't be England's spinner for long. A few fairly inexpensive overs at Boland and Doggett are not going to tell us much about how he handles having to bowl at actual batsmen in Australia1
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I totally agree albeit I'd like to think that Jacks white ball experience might help. That's not going to get him wickets though.Leuth said:Jacks won't be England's spinner for long. A few fairly inexpensive overs at Boland and Doggett are not going to tell us much about how he handles having to bowl at actual batsmen in Australia
It's not our decision. It's the decision of the people who thought that Bashir was England's answer. Until there is the advent of a red ball spinner that can operate at the highest level they are probably going to fudge the issue and pick a batter who can turn his arm over.0 -
Dan Worrall being used as a net bowler for England, wonder how close to selection he got? Or if he has a shot at playing in the 4th/5th test0
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By that time, we could have the entire four-prong West Indies attack of Roberts, Holding, Garner and Marshall and it still won't wrestle back the Ashes.fenaddick said:Dan Worrall being used as a net bowler for England, wonder how close to selection he got? Or if he has a shot at playing in the 4th/5th test2 -
Picking an actual Aussie to play in Australia after we've lost the Ashes would be the pinnacle of Bazball tbh3
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I'll make one prediction for the next Test. Brook will score a hundred. Another one you heard here first.0
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Thought it was something to do with having a long tail.Karim_myBagheri said:Another sound bite (no pun intended) to come out today is stokes saying he wants England "to show a bit of dog"
I have no idea what that even means??1 -
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In a retro England football shirt from France 98. The man is a vibefenaddick said:Dan Worrall being used as a net bowler for England, wonder how close to selection he got? Or if he has a shot at playing in the 4th/5th test0 -
The Aussie attack looks decent with Cummins and Lyon back in. Makes it all the more galling that we put in such poor performances in the previous two tests against probably their weakest Ashes attack for many a year.2
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England international Phil Salt has just opened the batting in the ILT20 for the Abu Dhabi Knight Riders with Michael Pepper. What a couple of condiments they are.
Sadly Salt was out first ball.
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And Pepper goes for 4, meaning Salt didn’t pepper the boundary with sixes and Pepper was out of sorts.Addick Addict said:England international Phil Salt has just opened the batting in the ILT20 for the Abu Dhabi Knight Riders with Michael Pepper. What a couple of condiments they are.
Sadly Salt was out first ball.6 -
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Rumours Steve Smith out with illness1
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Rumours that Steve Smith is ill and is going to miss the Test. They've all come from Australians though by all accounts.0
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You've heard the same rumours then.kinveachyaddick said:Rumours Steve Smith out with illness1 -
Confirmed Smith is out.0
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So does Khawaja come back in and if so as opener? Or do they bring Webster in and give themselves the extra bowling option?0
