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My old van doesn't have a speed limiter so I do keep looking at the speedo (which I assume is slightly under reading from when I pass the things that tell you how fast you are doing). Is it possible to have a speed limiter fitted?paulsturgess said:
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.Starinnaddick said:My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
EDIT - it slightly over reads not under reads0 -
In 2025, technology ought to be available to code in 'drive within speed limits' for those who want it, GPS picking up real time data on limits in operation. What demand for it there would be, well now that's another question entirely, but if my car had that option, I'd activate it.Arsenetatters said:
My old van doesn't have a speed limiter so I do keep looking at the speedo (which I assume is slightly under reading from when I pass the things that tell you how fast you are doing). Is it possible to have a speed limiter fitted?paulsturgess said:
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.Starinnaddick said:My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
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It is illegal for a speedo to underread. Which is why they all show a higher speed than you are actually travelling at. This to prevent law suits against the manufacturers. Of course, as your tyres wear out and the circumference becomes less, they overread even more.Arsenetatters said:
My old van doesn't have a speed limiter so I do keep looking at the speedo (which I assume is slightly under reading from when I pass the things that tell you how fast you are doing). Is it possible to have a speed limiter fitted?paulsturgess said:
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.Starinnaddick said:My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
In short: a speedo must never show less than the actual speed, and must never show more than 110% of actual speed + 6.25mph. So if your true speed is 40mph, your speedo could legally be reading up to 50.25mph but never less than 40mph.
My speedo is pretty much accurate; some manufacturers are worse than others. Nissan Micra speedos are notoriously inaccurate and overread badly. This may be why Micras are always being overtaken by everyone else. (I bet their drivers think we are all nutters.)
So, you don't need a speed limiter.0 -
I've never understood why the speed limit varies between 40 and 50 on the A12 outside the Blackwall Tunnel going northwards? Can't see any logic to it but hopefully it generates a decent amount of revenue in fines.
I've seen plenty of lunatics weaving in and out of traffic at high speed on this stretch of road but no traffic police ever seem to pick this up. I imagine the lunatic drivers know where the cameras are.
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Apologies- I got it the wrong way round. It over reads.cafcfan said:
It is illegal for a speedo to underread. Which is why they all show a higher speed than you are actually travelling at. This to prevent law suits against the manufacturers. Of course, as your tyres wear out and the circumference becomes less, they overread even more.Arsenetatters said:
My old van doesn't have a speed limiter so I do keep looking at the speedo (which I assume is slightly under reading from when I pass the things that tell you how fast you are doing). Is it possible to have a speed limiter fitted?paulsturgess said:
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.Starinnaddick said:My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
In short: a speedo must never show less than the actual speed, and must never show more than 110% of actual speed + 6.25mph. So if your true speed is 40mph, your speedo could legally be reading up to 50.25mph but never less than 40mph.
My speedo is pretty much accurate; some manufacturers are worse than others. Nissan Micra speedos are notoriously inaccurate and overread badly. This may be why Micras are always being overtaken by everyone else. (I bet their drivers think we are all nutters.)
So, you don't need a speed limiter.0 -
Many buses in London are now using the technology you suggest.swordfish said:
In 2025, technology ought to be available to code in 'drive within speed limits' for those who want it, GPS picking up real time data on limits in operation. What demand for it there would be, well now that's another question entirely, but if my car had that option, I'd activate it.Arsenetatters said:
My old van doesn't have a speed limiter so I do keep looking at the speedo (which I assume is slightly under reading from when I pass the things that tell you how fast you are doing). Is it possible to have a speed limiter fitted?paulsturgess said:
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.Starinnaddick said:My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...0 -
Pretty sure lorries have speed limiters in place - I think their speedos are more accurate than those in cars..0
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Thousands of drivers could have speeding fines cancelled after a fault saw some cameras falsely triggered on English A roads and motorways.
National Highways said it had found 2,650 wrongful speed camera activations since 2021 due to a delay between cameras and variable speed signs.
Affected drivers will be contacted by police and be reimbursed for any fines while points will be removed from their licences where needed.
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What about if it led to a ban or increased insurance premiums?clive said:Thousands of drivers could have speeding fines cancelled after a fault saw some cameras falsely triggered on English A roads and motorways.
National Highways said it had found 2,650 wrongful speed camera activations since 2021 due to a delay between cameras and variable speed signs.
Affected drivers will be contacted by police and be reimbursed for any fines while points will be removed from their licences where needed.
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What's known as a consequential loss I believe. Should also be recoverable but you'd likely have to threaten the plod (and the company that provided and installed the cameras and software?) with Court proceedings.thai malaysia addick said:
What about if it led to a ban or increased insurance premiums?clive said:Thousands of drivers could have speeding fines cancelled after a fault saw some cameras falsely triggered on English A roads and motorways.
National Highways said it had found 2,650 wrongful speed camera activations since 2021 due to a delay between cameras and variable speed signs.
Affected drivers will be contacted by police and be reimbursed for any fines while points will be removed from their licences where needed.
At the end of the day, a ban for a professional driver could have cost them their job, for that reason alone the authorities and their contractors have a duty of care I'd have thought.
Obviously the plod aren't going to advertise this but a victim should have a sound claim that the relevant police force would be sensible (obviously they aren't though) to settle out of court.
I'm sure the "no win no fee" lawyers will be all over this like a rash.0 -
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Yes. HGV's are limited to 90kph (56mph), although this can be over-ridden when being pushed by 44 ton, downhillhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Pretty sure lorries have speed limiters in place - I think their speedos are more accurate than those in cars..
You are also correct regarding the accuracy, as they have to be calibrated annually, and monitored by the tachograph. Car manufacturers tend to always overestimate theirs, probably to avoid possible lawsuits from owners convicted of speeding. They vary, but I've found they're usually between 6-10% over your true speed.0 -
Are the M25 cameras culpable in all of this?😀0
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It's probably a very low number of people who could successfully argue that they lost their licence because of these errors. The total number is probably somewhere between eight and twelve, over the four years in question.cafcfan said:
What's known as a consequential loss I believe. Should also be recoverable but you'd likely have to threaten the plod (and the company that provided and installed the cameras and software?) with Court proceedings.thai malaysia addick said:
What about if it led to a ban or increased insurance premiums?clive said:Thousands of drivers could have speeding fines cancelled after a fault saw some cameras falsely triggered on English A roads and motorways.
National Highways said it had found 2,650 wrongful speed camera activations since 2021 due to a delay between cameras and variable speed signs.
Affected drivers will be contacted by police and be reimbursed for any fines while points will be removed from their licences where needed.
At the end of the day, a ban for a professional driver could have cost them their job, for that reason alone the authorities and their contractors have a duty of care I'd have thought.
Obviously the plod aren't going to advertise this but a victim should have a sound claim that the relevant police force would be sensible (obviously they aren't though) to settle out of court.
I'm sure the "no win no fee" lawyers will be all over this like a rash.
Even so, I'd be absolutely furious if it happened to me.0 -
Mechanical Speedometer are allowed 10% + or -. Electronic Speedometer are 4% + or-
Tachographs are calibrated every 2yrs and can be downloaded to check drivers hours and also have an over speed record.Rolling diameters of the road wheels can effect the accuracy of speedometer.Advice from a Traffic police officer many years ago but still holds true “ if everything is over taking you you’re going to slow, if you are overtaking everything then you’re going to fast “0 -
Goodness me. How do the police know that if you are overtaking everything, you are not going to eat for some time?usetobunkin said:Mechanical Speedometer are allowed 10% + or -. Electronic Speedometer are 4% + or-
Tachographs are calibrated every 2yrs and can be downloaded to check drivers hours and also have an over speed record.Rolling diameters of the road wheels can effect the accuracy of speedometer.Advice from a Traffic police officer many years ago but still holds true “ if everything is over taking you you’re going to slow, if you are overtaking everything then you’re going to fast “2 -
I'll await contact, but won't hold my breath.clive said:Thousands of drivers could have speeding fines cancelled after a fault saw some cameras falsely triggered on English A roads and motorways.
National Highways said it had found 2,650 wrongful speed camera activations since 2021 due to a delay between cameras and variable speed signs.
Affected drivers will be contacted by police and be reimbursed for any fines while points will be removed from their licences where needed.
Got done a few months ago on the M25, 2am in the morning having just picked eldest daughter up from Luton Airport. Literally not a thing on the road and I clearly thought the 50mph zone (no roadworks or cones out etc) had ended.
Got flashed by a camera doing 69mph and then again at the next camera.....thankfully only received 1 fine/points. No option to do the speed awareness course, I guess given how far over the limit I was
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thai malaysia addick said:
Goodness me. How do the police know that if you are overtaking everything, you are not going to eat for some time?usetobunkin said:Mechanical Speedometer are allowed 10% + or -. Electronic Speedometer are 4% + or-
Tachographs are calibrated every 2yrs and can be downloaded to check drivers hours and also have an over speed record.Rolling diameters of the road wheels can effect the accuracy of speedometer.Advice from a Traffic police officer many years ago but still holds true “ if everything is over taking you you’re going to slow, if you are overtaking everything then you’re going to fast “
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For anyone interested in my original post... I'm appearing at court on 16th March to dispute the second speeding ticket... :-/1
