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valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answers
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Agree with those edits @Henry Irving but the issue is your questions can be written as specifically as you want but any professional presenter will be able to ask it in a way that is softer and less targeted, making it easier to give a vague answer. This is what I expect to happen
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Fans are reminded to be fully clothed during the meeting.....14
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True, if they don't want to or can't answer (eg for confidential reasons) then they won't but there is an art to asking questions.fenaddick said:Agree with those edits @Henry Irving but the issue is your questions can be written as specifically as you want but any professional presenter will be able to ask it in a way that is softer and less targeted, making it easier to give a vague answer. This is what I expect to happen3 -
Im guessing the old "remember where we were 18 months ago" will get trotted out in response to any question regarding recruitment/current form.4
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I agree in most part. But part of the logic of my questions (written in haste and not refined) was to avoid multiple questions on each topic.Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answersSo I would (as an example) make the season ticket item 2 separate questions.Conversely my point on infrastructure was actually to tease out what else if anything they are spending on.We seem to broadly agree on the tactic however.1 -
Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answersTruth be told these are questions fans would like the answers to, but the club is a business and have no obligation to provide this information - which is why whenever you try to ask them, the are met with platitudes. Its the same as PMQ's!All fans these days act like pseudo directors and have opinions on how the business side of things should be run, the club aren't going to indulge it. It should be no surprise of cause of annoyance.0 -
Don't think the edits add much!Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answers
There will be a limit on how much detail the club will offer at this type if meeting, either to avoid criticism if the answer doesn't meet expectations or an unwillingness to shed detail on strategy or commercial issues to all and sundry. You don't operate successfully in a highly commercial environment by baring your soul!
All you can really expect at this type of meeting, on a given topic, is a general statement of the current position, possibly an acknowledgement of whether the current position is good or bad and a hint of the general direction if any change is proposed.
Someone could waffle for an hour on staffing issues, beyond saying that these are currently under review.
Do you really expect details on ticket prices when we don't know which division we will be in with any degree of certainty? Transfer budgets will also depend on where we end up. And only an idiot would say that they will be, say, halved or doubled due to the fallout if the former and commercial sensitivity of the latter.
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How has the “none of our business” approach worked out since 2010, would you say?FirenzeAddick said:Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answersTruth be told these are questions fans would like the answers to, but the club is a business and have no obligation to provide this information - which is why whenever you try to ask them, the are met with platitudes. Its the same as PMQ's!All fans these days act like pseudo directors and have opinions on how the business side of things should be run, the club aren't going to indulge it. It should be no surprise of cause of annoyance.
It’s a fundamental problem that the club is run by people with very little understanding of it. This is why they default to these overcomplicated and fundamentally defensive engagement models.
The club may have no obligation to discuss its operations with fans openly but its unwillingness to do so hampers its ability to operate effectively. It’s light years away from the approach that worked, but maybe that’s just where we are.
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Of course you cant expect revealing answers.RickAddick said:
Don't think the edits add much!Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answers
There will be a limit on how much detail the club will offer at this type if meeting, either to avoid criticism if the answer doesn't meet expectations or an unwillingness to shed detail on strategy or commercial issues to all and sundry. You don't operate successfully in a highly commercial environment by baring your soul!
All you can really expect at this type of meeting, on a given topic, is a general statement of the current position, possibly an acknowledgement of whether the current position is good or bad and a hint of the general direction if any change is proposed.
Someone could waffle for an hour on staffing issues, beyond saying that these are currently under review.
Do you really expect details on ticket prices when we don't know which division we will be in with any degree of certainty? Transfer budgets will also depend on where we end up. And only an idiot would say that they will be, say, halved or doubled due to the fallout if the former and commercial sensitivity of the latter.However if you ask pointed questions you might just might learn something you didn’t know before. If we go the usual route you are just assisting a PR exercise.The ownership don’t have to be given an easy ride when they are squeezing every last penny from supporters.0 -
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Face to facevalleynick66 said:
Of course you cant expect revealing answers.RickAddick said:
Don't think the edits add much!Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answers
There will be a limit on how much detail the club will offer at this type if meeting, either to avoid criticism if the answer doesn't meet expectations or an unwillingness to shed detail on strategy or commercial issues to all and sundry. You don't operate successfully in a highly commercial environment by baring your soul!
All you can really expect at this type of meeting, on a given topic, is a general statement of the current position, possibly an acknowledgement of whether the current position is good or bad and a hint of the general direction if any change is proposed.
Someone could waffle for an hour on staffing issues, beyond saying that these are currently under review.
Do you really expect details on ticket prices when we don't know which division we will be in with any degree of certainty? Transfer budgets will also depend on where we end up. And only an idiot would say that they will be, say, halved or doubled due to the fallout if the former and commercial sensitivity of the latter.However if you ask pointed questions you might just might learn something you didn’t know before. If we go the usual route you are just assisting a PR exercise.The ownership don’t have to be given an easy ride when they are squeezing every last penny from supporters.It certainly applies to these 'meetings' and certainly applies to meetings face to face.Invariably you are not allowed a follow up question to the answer given, that is always frustrating.Other than a tick box exercise and trying to appease the fans I do not see these meetings achieving much.6 -
I didn’t say it’s none of our business. But we are fooling ourselves if we think any club in this day and age beyond those with fan ownership models are going to be allowed a meaningful say or seat at the table.Airman Brown said:
How has the “none of our business” approach worked out since 2010, would you say?FirenzeAddick said:Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answersTruth be told these are questions fans would like the answers to, but the club is a business and have no obligation to provide this information - which is why whenever you try to ask them, the are met with platitudes. Its the same as PMQ's!All fans these days act like pseudo directors and have opinions on how the business side of things should be run, the club aren't going to indulge it. It should be no surprise of cause of annoyance.
It’s a fundamental problem that the club is run by people with very little understanding of it. This is why they default to these overcomplicated and fundamentally defensive engagement models.
The club may have no obligation to discuss its operations with fans openly but its unwillingness to do so hampers its ability to operate effectively. It’s light years away from the approach that worked, but maybe that’s just where we are.
I would love open dialogue around the clubs plans for investment and development, but we are now owned by extremely wealthy overseas individuals who see us as an investment opportunity - we are a different entity now.
Gavin Carter is the person who will hopefully continue to be that link.0 -
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Directors like Gavin Carter reflect our manager…..slow, boring and steady…..fuck it roll the dice and splash out on some top players and go for it !!!!2
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ct_addick said:Directors like Gavin Carter reflect our manager…..slow, boring and steady…..fuck it roll the dice and splash out on some top players and go for it !!!!I want directors to be slow, boring and steady - but I also want a manager and squad to be fast, exciting and risk taking.It's also very easy to say splash the cash but it isn't our money.6
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Does the board genuinely believe that the current brand of football being served up is likely to attract new fans and or enjoyed by existing supporters?7
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True. But owing a football club comes with that cost / expectation.bobmunro said:ct_addick said:Directors like Gavin Carter reflect our manager…..slow, boring and steady…..fuck it roll the dice and splash out on some top players and go for it !!!!I want directors to be slow, boring and steady - but I also want a manager and squad to be fast, exciting and risk taking.It's also very easy to say splash the cash but it isn't our money.If you are charging high end ticket prices it’s reasonable to expect the owners to support the manager via appropriate squad acquisitions. It doesn’t matter that tickets aren’t the main income stream. You create an expectation with fans if you are in the division and charging them accordingly.The mistake tomorrow would be to dwell on the squad however. Whatever’s going to happen in the next 10 days or so of the window isn’t going to be influenced by comments tomorrow - unless Nathan lets rip with the board of corse 😆2 -
The club won’t do face to face meetings in front of a room full of Charlton fans and even if they did they would want the questions sent in advance so could they are given time to prepare their answers.ElfsborgAddick said:Face to facevalleynick66 said:
Of course you cant expect revealing answers.RickAddick said:
Don't think the edits add much!Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answers
There will be a limit on how much detail the club will offer at this type if meeting, either to avoid criticism if the answer doesn't meet expectations or an unwillingness to shed detail on strategy or commercial issues to all and sundry. You don't operate successfully in a highly commercial environment by baring your soul!
All you can really expect at this type of meeting, on a given topic, is a general statement of the current position, possibly an acknowledgement of whether the current position is good or bad and a hint of the general direction if any change is proposed.
Someone could waffle for an hour on staffing issues, beyond saying that these are currently under review.
Do you really expect details on ticket prices when we don't know which division we will be in with any degree of certainty? Transfer budgets will also depend on where we end up. And only an idiot would say that they will be, say, halved or doubled due to the fallout if the former and commercial sensitivity of the latter.However if you ask pointed questions you might just might learn something you didn’t know before. If we go the usual route you are just assisting a PR exercise.The ownership don’t have to be given an easy ride when they are squeezing every last penny from supporters.It certainly applies to these 'meetings' and certainly applies to meetings face to face.Invariably you are not allowed a follow up question to the answer given, that is always frustrating.Other than a tick box exercise and trying to appease the fans I do not see these meetings achieving much.
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valleynick66 said:
True. But owing a football club comes with that cost / expectation.bobmunro said:ct_addick said:Directors like Gavin Carter reflect our manager…..slow, boring and steady…..fuck it roll the dice and splash out on some top players and go for it !!!!I want directors to be slow, boring and steady - but I also want a manager and squad to be fast, exciting and risk taking.It's also very easy to say splash the cash but it isn't our money.If you are charging high end ticket prices it’s reasonable to expect the owners to support the manager via appropriate squad acquisitions. It doesn’t matter that tickets aren’t the main income stream. You create an expectation with fans if you are in the division and charging them accordingly.The mistake tomorrow would be to dwell on the squad however. Whatever’s going to happen in the next 10 days or so of the window isn’t going to be influenced by comments tomorrow - unless Nathan lets rip with the board of corse 😆
The current ownership are already losing millions and I'm pretty sure that going back to August the vast majority of us (and other external sages) were saying what a good transfer window it was and that we had invested a good amount for a promoted team.2 -
ct_addick said:Directors like Gavin Carter reflect our manager…..slow, boring and steady…..fuck it roll the dice and splash out on some top players and go for it !!!!
Jones is none of these, probably the total opposite.
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shirty5 said:
The club won’t do face to face meetings in front of a room full of Charlton fans and even if they did they would want the questions sent in advance so could they are given time to prepare their answers.ElfsborgAddick said:Face to facevalleynick66 said:
Of course you cant expect revealing answers.RickAddick said:
Don't think the edits add much!Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answers
There will be a limit on how much detail the club will offer at this type if meeting, either to avoid criticism if the answer doesn't meet expectations or an unwillingness to shed detail on strategy or commercial issues to all and sundry. You don't operate successfully in a highly commercial environment by baring your soul!
All you can really expect at this type of meeting, on a given topic, is a general statement of the current position, possibly an acknowledgement of whether the current position is good or bad and a hint of the general direction if any change is proposed.
Someone could waffle for an hour on staffing issues, beyond saying that these are currently under review.
Do you really expect details on ticket prices when we don't know which division we will be in with any degree of certainty? Transfer budgets will also depend on where we end up. And only an idiot would say that they will be, say, halved or doubled due to the fallout if the former and commercial sensitivity of the latter.However if you ask pointed questions you might just might learn something you didn’t know before. If we go the usual route you are just assisting a PR exercise.The ownership don’t have to be given an easy ride when they are squeezing every last penny from supporters.It certainly applies to these 'meetings' and certainly applies to meetings face to face.Invariably you are not allowed a follow up question to the answer given, that is always frustrating.Other than a tick box exercise and trying to appease the fans I do not see these meetings achieving much.
Cynical? Prove me wrongAgree totally.It could be said that these meetings are a total waste of time for all concerned.I'm waiting for when we play the spanners at The Valley next season(fingers crossed on that one) and the policing is the same as this season.Listening to the supporters? I think not.
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Honest question (I'm an idiot): I believe I've read that even if they *do* want to "splash the cash" FFP rules mean that until we start selling out the Valley every game, they cannot do so. Is that the case?bobmunro said:It's also very easy to say splash the cash but it isn't our money.0 -
We are losing I assume what was expected / budgeted for.bobmunro said:valleynick66 said:
True. But owing a football club comes with that cost / expectation.bobmunro said:ct_addick said:Directors like Gavin Carter reflect our manager…..slow, boring and steady…..fuck it roll the dice and splash out on some top players and go for it !!!!I want directors to be slow, boring and steady - but I also want a manager and squad to be fast, exciting and risk taking.It's also very easy to say splash the cash but it isn't our money.If you are charging high end ticket prices it’s reasonable to expect the owners to support the manager via appropriate squad acquisitions. It doesn’t matter that tickets aren’t the main income stream. You create an expectation with fans if you are in the division and charging them accordingly.The mistake tomorrow would be to dwell on the squad however. Whatever’s going to happen in the next 10 days or so of the window isn’t going to be influenced by comments tomorrow - unless Nathan lets rip with the board of corse 😆
The current ownership are already losing millions and I'm pretty sure that going back to August the vast majority of us (and other external sages) were saying what a good transfer window it was and that we had invested a good amount for a promoted team.So if the argument is we did spend enough then the quality was wrongly assessed. If that’s the case it’s a business call to either make do and mend with attendant risk of relegation or pay for the mistake.In business (to make an analogy ) if they’d implemented a poor system they would either limp along with it or accept they need to spend more to fix it. It’s the cost of doing (football) business. As we know relegation is potentially fatal for their investment.I assume we will bolster the squad but will see outs as well.2 -
This will be fun. I wonder how many benign questions will be "asked" and the important ones binned.1
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FirenzeAddick said:
I didn’t say it’s none of our business. But we are fooling ourselves if we think any club in this day and age beyond those with fan ownership models are going to be allowed a meaningful say or seat at the table.Airman Brown said:
How has the “none of our business” approach worked out since 2010, would you say?FirenzeAddick said:Henry Irving said:valleynick66 said:It is pointless asking any questions about transfers and injuries etc. Just allows waffle and non answers akin to the weekly NJ briefings.If people are interested the questions need to be pointed and closed to elicit specific answers to issues or queries prople may have to mitigate the inevitable corporate waffle.Maybe things like:
is the investor board actively looking for new investors and if why and how much cash and what percentage of the share holding?
What other infrastructure is being invested in too vague. Does the Valley have a functioning undersoil heating system?
When will a CEO be appointed? Is the current staffing level adequete to run a championship club aiming to be "premiership ready"?.
By what percentage will next summer's transfer budget increase over last summer? be spent on transfers next season
How much will ticket prices increase by next season? Will the post early bird prices from summer 2025 by the starting point in summer 2026 or will there be further increases?
Did the lights / advertising upgrade represent pure cash spend by the owners or was it funded from a combination of advertising deals / grants ?
Hopefully you get my drift.Specific questions rather than broad topics and football management matters they can’t comment on.
Good areas but questions need to be specific to get specific answersTruth be told these are questions fans would like the answers to, but the club is a business and have no obligation to provide this information - which is why whenever you try to ask them, the are met with platitudes. Its the same as PMQ's!All fans these days act like pseudo directors and have opinions on how the business side of things should be run, the club aren't going to indulge it. It should be no surprise of cause of annoyance.
It’s a fundamental problem that the club is run by people with very little understanding of it. This is why they default to these overcomplicated and fundamentally defensive engagement models.
The club may have no obligation to discuss its operations with fans openly but its unwillingness to do so hampers its ability to operate effectively. It’s light years away from the approach that worked, but maybe that’s just where we are.
I would love open dialogue around the clubs plans for investment and development, but we are now owned by extremely wealthy overseas individuals who see us as an investment opportunity - we are a different entity now.
Gavin Carter is the person who will hopefully continue to be that link.
I don’t think it’s about a “meaningful say” as much as understanding what you are dealing with as management and building a rapport which extends beyond the football manager and the team. Fans know stuff you don’t. A proper dialogue would engage a broader cross section of support and benefit all parties.It is a lot easier if the people making the decisions are also fans and therefore their motives are trusted. The conditions for that were unusually propitious in the 90s and 2000s and can’t be replicated. The investor model is different, and that won’t change, but you could still have management that was open and engaged, rather than defensive by default.7 -
The Valley was half empty last night. It’s hard to do with this quality of football Nathan Jones insists upon but maybe it would be better if they put the same level of effort into promoting games that matter as they did for the Chelsea game.Clem_Snide said:Does the board genuinely believe that the current brand of football being served up is likely to attract new fans and or enjoyed by existing supporters?
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In the end. What is the point of these meetings?0
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Fully aware it will be a heavily prepared and managed exercise, but I’ll no doubt watch partly out of curiosity but mainly to admire the shaping and waxing of Rodwell’s beautifully curated beard.I’m sure the “working night and day” transfer efforts have been temporary paused this afternoon for some pre-camera emergency grooming.10
