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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Derby County: Tuesday 20th January 2026: KO 19:45
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It will be absolute Charlton if we finally break the hoodo at the Toolbox AND manage to go down...
Confidence is one thing, but we could play those fuckers in any sort of form and still get a gigantic kick in the nads.
So that's all I got.
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I’m still upbeat and positive this morning because of the amount of points on the board.The lack of cutting edge and for want of a better term here, conservative approaches to games is definitely of concern, as is the ongoing problem of the left side of our defence, both at LWB and LCB.
I do genuinely believe if we can address that by window end, it will improve the performance of the whole team. Quite rightly, our midfield three has come into question recently, but I think there’s an apprehension about how to play to compensate for the gaps down the left.We’ve seen how quickly things looked a bit more balanced when Bell was there and if we can just get that sorted, I think it will put the balance of the team back into a much better position.It’s frustrating not to have it sorted by now, but you have to imagine it’s the thing keeping NJ sleeping at the training ground or however he puts it.
If we don’t get that cover in (and decent cover as well), then we’re really touch and go as to whether or not we’ll have enough in the tank.My worry is that because of it, NJ is trying all these different line ups, ie one week JRC, the next week Anderson etc, and it’s because he genuinely doesn’t have an answer until it’s solved. Like every human he’s also reverting to habit and what he knows with how entrenched we play. I think as has been pointed out, it was working in the opening part of the season when spirits and confidence were high and our top end league one players were performing okay, but now there’s a bit of nervousness and confidence that has been sapped.
These months of the season really can take their toll. One or two more new bodies of quality down the left could really make the difference. Fingers crossed9 -
Leuth said:
He should have magicked it into their goal as well, and brought about world peace, and cured cancer. We have a lot of problems right now and TK isn't oneAlgarveaddick said:PWR. I thought TK should have come out and cleared the ball to snuff out the danger before their second.
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Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.3 -
Your right he just shrugged his shoulders was shocking to see he doesn’t care.Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.3 -
I'm sorry but you clearly didn't see him and Kaminski arguing towards the end of the first half. TC gestured at him to fuck off about 3 times.JamesSeed said:
Body language? His body language has never changed. He’s a shy lad, and he’s never demonstrative.sam3110 said:
I get he scored, but his body language and lack of running near the end of the first half was nothing less than disgracefuloohaahmortimer said:TC wins man of the match again in the loungeHis lack of awareness for their second goal was what was worrying me.Had we played in the second half like we played in the first I’d now be very worried.I think we all know this issue. With our best players fully fit we can be a lower mid side. With injuries we’ll struggle.Survival is everything this season. I won’t boo the team because I don’t think it increases our chance of survival.
I get his frustration, and 2nd half showed what he brings to side when allowed to play his actual role, but first half he was definitely in a mood.8 -
He's playing ok but was slow off his line for that one. Started to come and then stopped.Leuth said:
He should have magicked it into their goal as well, and brought about world peace, and cured cancer. We have a lot of problems right now and TK isn't oneAlgarveaddick said:PWR. I thought TK should have come out and cleared the ball to snuff out the danger before their second.3 -
His attitude stinks and has been like that for a while. Frustrating really?Croydon said:
I'm sorry but you clearly didn't see him and Kaminski arguing towards the end of the first half. TC gestured at him to fuck off about 3 times.JamesSeed said:
Body language? His body language has never changed. He’s a shy lad, and he’s never demonstrative.sam3110 said:
I get he scored, but his body language and lack of running near the end of the first half was nothing less than disgracefuloohaahmortimer said:TC wins man of the match again in the loungeHis lack of awareness for their second goal was what was worrying me.Had we played in the second half like we played in the first I’d now be very worried.I think we all know this issue. With our best players fully fit we can be a lower mid side. With injuries we’ll struggle.Survival is everything this season. I won’t boo the team because I don’t think it increases our chance of survival.
I get his frustration, and 2nd half showed what he brings to side when allowed to play his actual role, but first half he was definitely in a mood.6 -
Ok so I'm really confused about team selection at the moment. NJ will claim its all tactical right?
Anderson handed a start against Birmingham (played well), then again against Oxford (did ok), then against Norwich (like most that day pretty poor). Then not even in the squad for Coventry and Blackburn and linked with a loan move to Wycombe. Sub against Chelsea and then back in the starting line-up for the next two games at home to Sheff Utd and Derby!
He's not the only one, same thing has happened to Fullah, Olaofe, JRC, Doc and Apter
Appreciate one or two might be due to injuries etc, but doesn't appear to be
Too many changes and people coming in and out of the team/matchday squad. I know he's tinkering with the starting 11 to try and find a formula that works, but we can ALL see the problem dating back since the Saints game...the LWB and LCB (when Bell is out) positions have been a MASSIVE issue.
It should have been addressed pre season, it wasn't, then it should have been addressed first week of Jan, it wasn't.
Then we also got found out a bit in midfield, and we became too easy to play around and through. The trio of Cov, Doc and Carey were great at the beginning of the season...then other teams worked us out.
Regarding the midfield, WHY did it take JRC to do one shimmy against Birmingham for him to be given a start?NJ must have watched him in training, right?6 -
Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.I've popped it as a spoiler because it's long but that chance was not on TC (can't comment on the argument with TK as the TV only showed TK shouting, not who it was at. Co-comms said it was GIllesphey but they weren't very reliable all night!)That chance was 100% on Gillesphey & Anderson if we're talking defensive errors. Gillesphey is challenging for the ball in line with Sonny Carey, Brereton Diaz is in space in line with where the LCB should be and Anderson is running in the wrong direction
Once the pass is made by the player Gillesphey is challenging TC is covering the Derby RB and Anderson should pick up Brereton Diaz in lieu of Gillesphey
I can't quite stop it on the right frame but once the pass is played TC is still covering his man and actually looks over his shoulder to see where he is. Gillesphey is jogging at best, Anderson gets out paced and Jones doesn't have enough faith that Burke will cover the striker so is shouting at him instead of getting across quickly
TC is the only player there who actually tracks his man. Maybe he should have left the RB alone in an attempt to reach Brereton-Diaz but there were other players who were closer, in better positions or should have been in better positions11 -
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Most comments are spot on - so poor and bereft of ideas in the first half. But there's an issue with Charlie Kelman. The jury is way out on him. When he actually has the ball he can be good, and probably a fox in the box (if the ball ever gets to him). But his work rate is dire, no dynamism. I watch and see other teams' forwards doing twice as much as him - as does Leaburn - and he gets knocked off the ball so easily. A high fee for him yet he's not a starter yesterday. Is it he just doesn't really have it or is Nathan playing him wrong?2
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Must admit, i'm usually a glass half full regarding Charlton, but must also admit some of that was missing last night, and my usual upbeat persona has slipped a bit, but at the same time I still have the faith in the Club to pull clear of the bottom, and refuse to have any thought of relegation which seems to be seeping into the fan base, understandably after our recent poor run.
We go again Saturday against "that mob", and again I go into it hoping things will change, whether they do, we will see, surely our luck has to change sometime, doesn't it...🙏1 -
So he didn’t?Brown59 said:
Your right he just shrugged his shoulders was shocking to see he doesn’t care.Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.0 -
Absolutely. It's beyond insane that people think this was TC's fault. He's playing as an attacking LWB and he still tracked his winger. Gillesphey lost the entirety of his mind pushing that high and when he did Anderson should have noticed and dropped back into that space. Not only was it rash for Gillesphey to push that far forward, he's probably the slowest player on the pitch and knows he can't get back, at least Ramsay can rely on his pace if he gets caught out of position. I said at the time when that chance happened that I had no idea where Gillesphey was for it, it speaks to the weird bias against Campbell on here that a ball can be passed directly into the space a left-sided centre back should occupy and somehow the LWB who is actually a winger gets the blame. TC had every right to tell Kaminski to fuck off if he was blaming him for thatfenaddick said:Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.I've popped it as a spoiler because it's long but that chance was not on TC (can't comment on the argument with TK as the TV only showed TK shouting, not who it was at. Co-comms said it was GIllesphey but they weren't very reliable all night!)That chance was 100% on Gillesphey & Anderson if we're talking defensive errors. Gillesphey is challenging for the ball in line with Sonny Carey, Brereton Diaz is in space in line with where the LCB should be and Anderson is running in the wrong direction
Once the pass is made by the player Gillesphey is challenging TC is covering the Derby RB and Anderson should pick up Brereton Diaz in lieu of Gillesphey
I can't quite stop it on the right frame but once the pass is played TC is still covering his man and actually looks over his shoulder to see where he is. Gillesphey is jogging at best, Anderson gets out paced and Jones doesn't have enough faith that Burke will cover the striker so is shouting at him instead of getting across quickly
TC is the only player there who actually tracks his man. Maybe he should have left the RB alone in an attempt to reach Brereton-Diaz but there were other players who were closer, in better positions or should have been in better positions11 -
Well the fact jones and kaminski were getting stuck into him would suggest he didnt do his job, with respect I’m in the family stand and everyone around me saw him just stand there and not track back, don’t mind being told I’m wrong by someone that was at the ground to see the bigger picture, but a few snaps off the telly isn’t really enough. I’m saying what I and many others saw on this one.fenaddick said:Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.I've popped it as a spoiler because it's long but that chance was not on TC (can't comment on the argument with TK as the TV only showed TK shouting, not who it was at. Co-comms said it was GIllesphey but they weren't very reliable all night!)That chance was 100% on Gillesphey & Anderson if we're talking defensive errors. Gillesphey is challenging for the ball in line with Sonny Carey, Brereton Diaz is in space in line with where the LCB should be and Anderson is running in the wrong direction
Once the pass is made by the player Gillesphey is challenging TC is covering the Derby RB and Anderson should pick up Brereton Diaz in lieu of Gillesphey
I can't quite stop it on the right frame but once the pass is played TC is still covering his man and actually looks over his shoulder to see where he is. Gillesphey is jogging at best, Anderson gets out paced and Jones doesn't have enough faith that Burke will cover the striker so is shouting at him instead of getting across quickly
TC is the only player there who actually tracks his man. Maybe he should have left the RB alone in an attempt to reach Brereton-Diaz but there were other players who were closer, in better positions or should have been in better positions3 -
With one of those, we only managed to get it into their penalty box as it trickled over one corner of it on its way running out of play. A truly pathetic moment for a team supposedly chasing the game.Athletico Charlton said:In the game we had two free kicks about 10 yards outside the opposition box. Both times we played the ball backwards. Can't remember seeing that tactic ever before. A bit of Hylton genius?2 -
Because as doomed as everyone feels on here - those looking from the outside still see 6 teams in a worse position than us, and two others only marginally better.Uboat said:Incredibly we’re still 5/1 to go down, so if you do think we’re doomed you can at least get some compensation. I’m a massive pessimist, so I got in at 16/1.
Sheff Wed are gone - Southampton, Sheff Utd and Norwich would each still be a shock from here, so it’s two from five.
Even if we’re average compared to West Brom, Blackburn, Pompey and Oxford, the odds are still in our favour.3 -
It’s not rocket science but Jones just doesn’t get it.blackpool72 said:Here's a radical thought.
If we are to persist in playing a system that requires wingbacks sign a couple who can perform the roll.
If we don't have decent wingbacks in place then for God's sake change the system.0 -
Sword65pf said:
Well the fact jones and kaminski were getting stuck into him would suggest he didnt do his job, with respect I’m in the family stand and everyone around me saw him just stand there and not track back, don’t mind being told I’m wrong by someone that was at the ground to see the bigger picture, but a few snaps off the telly isn’t really enough. I’m saying what I and many others saw on this one.fenaddick said:Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.I've popped it as a spoiler because it's long but that chance was not on TC (can't comment on the argument with TK as the TV only showed TK shouting, not who it was at. Co-comms said it was GIllesphey but they weren't very reliable all night!)That chance was 100% on Gillesphey & Anderson if we're talking defensive errors. Gillesphey is challenging for the ball in line with Sonny Carey, Brereton Diaz is in space in line with where the LCB should be and Anderson is running in the wrong direction
Once the pass is made by the player Gillesphey is challenging TC is covering the Derby RB and Anderson should pick up Brereton Diaz in lieu of Gillesphey
I can't quite stop it on the right frame but once the pass is played TC is still covering his man and actually looks over his shoulder to see where he is. Gillesphey is jogging at best, Anderson gets out paced and Jones doesn't have enough faith that Burke will cover the striker so is shouting at him instead of getting across quickly
TC is the only player there who actually tracks his man. Maybe he should have left the RB alone in an attempt to reach Brereton-Diaz but there were other players who were closer, in better positions or should have been in better positions
It’s possible TC could’ve dropped in, moved off marking the RWB and picked up the more advanced man and in the process allowed an easy pass to a dangerous crosser but having this conversation about Tyreece Campbell plugging holes at LCB is exposing the problem with playing him and Gillesphey in defensive roles together.
He’s not a defender for heaven’s sake and he never has been. Why Gillesphey is roaming that far when he knows that about Tyreece is a bit baffling in the first place. He has to hold his position and let TC do the pressing in the opposition half.5 -
On a positive note - was that our goal of the season last night? I can't recall a better one.1
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I'm starting to get flashbacks to Bowyer's last season in charge - inexplicable team selections that seem to set us up to fail from the start - that game where Smyth started at at wing back and got roasted by a teenager comes to mind and the constant tinkering with the line up and treatment of Williams has parallels to Jones's treatment of Apter. Now Jones has recently started with a midfield of Knibbs, Berry and Carey, used Anderson as a holding defensive mid and started with Leaburn and Dykes up front with no decent crossers in the team. Unless he sees the error of his ways and changes his formation and tactics I'll be at the front of the Jones out queue - there's some good honest pros in the squad who need better coaching and a formation and tactics that suits their strengths rather than an arrogant insistence on continuing with a 352 with no wing backs.3
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There are things that are better seen from a camera and things that are better seen in the stands/on the pitch. The reason clubs use tactical cams from a high view rather than a low one is because you can see the bigger picture more. What I couldn't see is who the arguing was amongst. That said, it's much easier to shout at TC who is back near the box than Gillesphey who is miles away. Sometimes people blame the nearerst person in the heat of the moment, we all do itSword65pf said:
Well the fact jones and kaminski were getting stuck into him would suggest he didnt do his job, with respect I’m in the family stand and everyone around me saw him just stand there and not track back, don’t mind being told I’m wrong by someone that was at the ground to see the bigger picture, but a few snaps off the telly isn’t really enough. I’m saying what I and many others saw on this one.fenaddick said:Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.I've popped it as a spoiler because it's long but that chance was not on TC (can't comment on the argument with TK as the TV only showed TK shouting, not who it was at. Co-comms said it was GIllesphey but they weren't very reliable all night!)That chance was 100% on Gillesphey & Anderson if we're talking defensive errors. Gillesphey is challenging for the ball in line with Sonny Carey, Brereton Diaz is in space in line with where the LCB should be and Anderson is running in the wrong direction
Once the pass is made by the player Gillesphey is challenging TC is covering the Derby RB and Anderson should pick up Brereton Diaz in lieu of Gillesphey
I can't quite stop it on the right frame but once the pass is played TC is still covering his man and actually looks over his shoulder to see where he is. Gillesphey is jogging at best, Anderson gets out paced and Jones doesn't have enough faith that Burke will cover the striker so is shouting at him instead of getting across quickly
TC is the only player there who actually tracks his man. Maybe he should have left the RB alone in an attempt to reach Brereton-Diaz but there were other players who were closer, in better positions or should have been in better positions1 -
Bree away at Derby.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:On a positive note - was that our goal of the season last night? I can't recall a better one.5 -
Bree's goal at Derby was better in my opinionEr_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:On a positive note - was that our goal of the season last night? I can't recall a better one.2 -
Poss the one against Derby at their place?Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:On a positive note - was that our goal of the season last night? I can't recall a better one.1 -
If we change the system, who’s playing in your back four?Hartleypete said:
It’s not rocket science but Jones just doesn’t get it.blackpool72 said:Here's a radical thought.
If we are to persist in playing a system that requires wingbacks sign a couple who can perform the roll.
If we don't have decent wingbacks in place then for God's sake change the system.0 -
The fact he isn’t a defender shouldn’t give him a free pass because he hasn’t done the basics, I don’t completely blame TC because he is being asked to do a job that he isn’t up to. Again with a lot of posts today the issues should be at NJ’s door.Callumcafc said:Sword65pf said:
Well the fact jones and kaminski were getting stuck into him would suggest he didnt do his job, with respect I’m in the family stand and everyone around me saw him just stand there and not track back, don’t mind being told I’m wrong by someone that was at the ground to see the bigger picture, but a few snaps off the telly isn’t really enough. I’m saying what I and many others saw on this one.fenaddick said:Sword65pf said:
Are we forgetting the time TC didn’t track back and the whole defence and keeper were pointing the finger and he just shrugged his shoulders?daveydanger said:I thought TC was excellent both going forwards and tracking back. Do I wish he could consistently have a bit more killer instinct and end product…yeah, but last night for once our big problem wasn’t really that position imo.
I’m also in the minority it seems by thinking Dykes looked really decent and the Leaburn Dykes pairing, while not amazing, was literally the least of our problems.
Our defence, usually our foundation, was a disaster zone. I guess he was injured but Jones made mistake after mistake, misplaced passes and got bossed by their massive number 7.Ramsay was absolutely awful, scuffing 10 yard passes and looked completely devoid of the confidence we know him for. Offered almost nothing for most of the game and looked like an accident waiting to happen.Not made my mind up on Clarke, he seemed full of enthusiasm but made some pretty weird decisions and just looked like a CB that had somehow found himself on the wing. Crossing wasn’t too bad.
Macca just isn’t at the level.Why would he not play JRC in a game where Derby packed their own half and we needed a bit of cleverness to unpick it? Anderson is literally a body in that midfield and offers so little going forward. It’s a shame, but I think League 1 or even 2 will be his level.I've popped it as a spoiler because it's long but that chance was not on TC (can't comment on the argument with TK as the TV only showed TK shouting, not who it was at. Co-comms said it was GIllesphey but they weren't very reliable all night!)That chance was 100% on Gillesphey & Anderson if we're talking defensive errors. Gillesphey is challenging for the ball in line with Sonny Carey, Brereton Diaz is in space in line with where the LCB should be and Anderson is running in the wrong direction
Once the pass is made by the player Gillesphey is challenging TC is covering the Derby RB and Anderson should pick up Brereton Diaz in lieu of Gillesphey
I can't quite stop it on the right frame but once the pass is played TC is still covering his man and actually looks over his shoulder to see where he is. Gillesphey is jogging at best, Anderson gets out paced and Jones doesn't have enough faith that Burke will cover the striker so is shouting at him instead of getting across quickly
TC is the only player there who actually tracks his man. Maybe he should have left the RB alone in an attempt to reach Brereton-Diaz but there were other players who were closer, in better positions or should have been in better positionsIt’s possible TC could’ve dropped in, moved off marking the RWB and picked up the more advanced man and in the process allowed an easy pass to a dangerous crosser but having this conversation about Tyreece Campbell plugging holes at LCB is exposing the problem with playing him and Gillesphey in defensive roles together.
He’s not a defender for heaven’s sake and he never has been. Why Gillesphey is roaming that far when he knows that about Tyreece is a bit baffling in the first place. He has to hold his position and let TC do the pressing in the opposition half.2 -
The one positive from last night was the derby players shot that cleared the south stand made albie Morgan’s jimmy seed sign effort look half decent .2
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Ramsay, Clarke, jones, new L/B?Callumcafc said:
If we change the system, who’s playing in your back four?Hartleypete said:
It’s not rocket science but Jones just doesn’t get it.blackpool72 said:Here's a radical thought.
If we are to persist in playing a system that requires wingbacks sign a couple who can perform the roll.
If we don't have decent wingbacks in place then for God's sake change the system.0 -
We huffed and puffed, but it's sad to see our lack of quality and let's be honest poor football all around.0
