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  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 13,458
    edited January 22
    Dancing in the streets of Colombo 

    Ciyars! 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    edited January 22
    Dancing in the streets of Colombo 

    Ciyars! 

    Blimey, the England players really do have a low alcohol threshold. The game finished less than an hour ago. 
  • We’re not a 50-over cricket country. We take Tests seriously. Oh.
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,338

  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,338
    Not sure if this is true and I can’t be arsed to check, but assuming it is, that is an insane stat.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    Crawley averages 31.98 in FC cricket and Rashid averages 32.48. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676

    If we think that it is weird that Crawley is being selected in the Test side then it is, perhaps, even more bizarre that he has now been picked for the ODI team. 

    Crawley made his List A debut for Kent on 17th May 2017, will be 29 next week and in the eight and a half years since he made his debut, he has batted just 31 times for county and country. His last 50 over match anywhere, prior to today, was for England against West Indies in December 2023 when he was out for a duck. He averages 25.62 in ODIs and 32.68 overall in 50 over cricket with a strike rate of 76.63. 

    Given the ODI WC is almost two years away, why are we not taking this opportunity to give someone like Asa Tribe a run? He might only be 22 but he is sought after by any number of T20 franchises and has had just four less 50 over innings than Crawley despite being more than six years younger. He averaged 80.20 with a strike rate of 95.47 last season in our domestic competition. 

  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,913

    If we think that it is weird that Crawley is being selected in the Test side then it is, perhaps, even more bizarre that he has now been picked for the ODI team. 

    Crawley made his List A debut for Kent on 17th May 2017, will be 29 next week and in the eight and a half years since he made his debut, he has batted just 31 times for county and country. His last 50 over match anywhere, prior to today, was for England against West Indies in December 2023 when he was out for a duck. He averages 25.62 in ODIs and 32.68 overall in 50 over cricket with a strike rate of 76.63. 

    Given the ODI WC is almost two years away, why are we not taking this opportunity to give someone like Asa Tribe a run? He might only be 22 but he is sought after by any number of T20 franchises and has had just four less 50 over innings than Crawley despite being more than six years younger. He averaged 80.20 with a strike rate of 95.47 last season in our domestic competition. 

    I liked this last night to write a reply this morning. 

    I find the OD side completely confusing. Yes we supposedly "bat to 11" and you've got a no10 in Dawson who has 4 List A hundreds and averages a smidge under 34 , who could easily bat higher. 

    You've got the test side top 6 which is a bit weird. 

    I think the bigger overall problem is that outside of internationals none of these players play domestic 50 over games thanks to the ECB scheduling. Would love to see the young guns given a chance in one of these OD series's over the summer and see what they can do. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,834
    Crawley is a "gut feeling pick" for the ODI team, just as he is for the Test team. He "looks" like someone who ought to be a really good ODI opener, just as he looks like someone who should be a really effective Test opener in Australia.

    The balance of the Test team in the Ashes was flawed, picking Jacks at number 8 instead of a proper bowler because we were worried about not getting enough runs, and the ODI team is even worse. Overton is the classic case of choosing a bowler because he is handy with the bat as well, rather than because of his bowling skills. Fine if he's the 4th seamer, but when he's one of your 2 seamers, and expected to close the innings out.

    In reality the issue for England yesterday, was the inability to score of the spinners on a slow Asian surface, an age old problem going back to well before Bazball. At least we have these 6 matches before the T20 WC to get more acclimatised. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    Crawley is a "gut feeling pick" for the ODI team, just as he is for the Test team. He "looks" like someone who ought to be a really good ODI opener, just as he looks like someone who should be a really effective Test opener in Australia.

    The balance of the Test team in the Ashes was flawed, picking Jacks at number 8 instead of a proper bowler because we were worried about not getting enough runs, and the ODI team is even worse. Overton is the classic case of choosing a bowler because he is handy with the bat as well, rather than because of his bowling skills. Fine if he's the 4th seamer, but when he's one of your 2 seamers, and expected to close the innings out.

    In reality the issue for England yesterday, was the inability to score of the spinners on a slow Asian surface, an age old problem going back to well before Bazball. At least we have these 6 matches before the T20 WC to get more acclimatised. 
    Crawley "looks like" one when he's playing a glorious cover drive on a road. Not when the pitch or overhead conditions offer anything. Pitches aren't what they used to be, primarily because they are now used a lot more than they were decades ago due to the advent of white ball competitions so the chances are he is always likely to struggle with his technique of playing so far in front of him. That is something either he can't change or doesn't want to try to work on changing. 

    Ultimately, it's what you put consistently in the book that counts. There isn't a top five batter in the history of Test cricket that has failed as many times as he has. There comes a point when evidence takes over from "gut feeling".  


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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,760
    I fear Zak is a 21st Century Graeme Hick. Looks great, lovely to watch but doesn’t deliver the runs expected consistently.
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,624

    Ramps 52 tests average of 27
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    LenGlover said:
    I fear Zak is a 21st Century Graeme Hick. Looks great, lovely to watch but doesn’t deliver the runs expected consistently.
    The comparison for Test cricket is a valid one with almost an identical return - Hick averaged 31.32 vs Crawley's 31.18. The difference is that Hick was supreme in county cricket whereas Crawley's record is poor at that level - Hick's first class average was 52.23 as opposed to Crawley's average of 31.98. 

    There is also one other fundamental difference. Hick, like Ramprakash, kept getting dropped. He played 65 matches over the course of nine and a half years whereas Crawley has had one less Test in just over six years. One management solidified the self-doubts of a player whereas the other has backed him to the hilt.  

  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,123
    LenGlover said:
    I fear Zak is a 21st Century Graeme Hick. Looks great, lovely to watch but doesn’t deliver the runs expected consistently.
    He Wishes he was a Hick . 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    edited January 23

    Ramps 52 tests average of 27
    As I've said above, Ramprakash kept getting dropped and he, himself, has said that this really damaged his confidence. His 52 Tests were over the course of 11 years whereas Crawley has had 64 matches in 6 years. The other thing is that 53 of Ramprakash's 92 innings were against the West Indies (29) and Australia (24) sides of the time. He also averaged 53.14 in first class cricket. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,834
    Ollie Pope is more of a modern day Ramps or Hick, as he's scored loads of runs in the county game, but not translated that form into the international game.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,958
    Ollie Pope is more of a modern day Ramps or Hick, as he's scored loads of runs in the county game, but not translated that form into the international game.
    I expect we can make those comparisons at the end of Pope's career .He didn't really have a big body of work behind him before he got called up and he too has benefitted from being consistently selected despite his flaws like Crawley. 


  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,913
    1-15 off 4 and 45*  off 18 for James Coles to fire Sunrisers Eastern Cape to the final of the SA20. 

    Serious serious talent and probably the Liam Dawson replacement in the T20 side long term. Hopefully this year he gets his shot at international level. 
  • Why are we warming up for a T20 World Cup by playing a 50-over series?
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,123
    Why are we warming up for a T20 World Cup by playing a 50-over series?
    3 T20’s follow 

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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,820
    Crawley out injured for the second ODI so Ahmed to open
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    Sri Lanka won the toss and will bat. Jacks in for Crawley. Ahmed opening is an interesting move. 
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,338
    Sam Curran & Jamie Overton has to be the worst opening bowling partnership I can remember England using 
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,338
    Great to have Gower back on commentary 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    I love that Harmison and Gower are wearing traditional Sr Lankan clothing allied with trainers and in the case of Gower his Panama hat. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,029
    arny23394 said:
    Sam Curran & Jamie Overton has to be the worst opening bowling partnership I can remember England using 
    Overton I agree. 
    Curran often produces something 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,029
    As I post Overton gets a wicket 
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,338
    arny23394 said:
    Sam Curran & Jamie Overton has to be the worst opening bowling partnership I can remember England using 
    Overton I agree. 
    Curran often produces something 
    He does but I just don’t rate him. Dreadful record too. I’d smash him out of the stratosphere 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,604
    arny23394 said:
    arny23394 said:
    Sam Curran & Jamie Overton has to be the worst opening bowling partnership I can remember England using 
    Overton I agree. 
    Curran often produces something 
    He does but I just don’t rate him. Dreadful record too. I’d smash him out of the stratosphere 
    If he bowled that moon ball at you I even think you could tbh
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,676
    Six spinners (Rashid, Ahmed, Dawson, Jacks, Bethell and Root). Is this the most number of spinners we've ever had in an England team?