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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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superclive98 said:
Try reading Bob's post above.ForeverAddickted said:superclive98 said:
Who said anything about not playing a left back?ForeverAddickted said:
What system doesnt involve us playing a Left-Back at all?superclive98 said:
He could change the system.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.Yeaaaa... You've lost me now...TC plays Left Wing-Back, because Chambers is now our sole actual player in that position, and TC is the only alternative that can really play there... Changing the system, still requires us to play a Left-Back OR Left Wing-Back which is Chambers or Campbell. Otherwise it comes back to Naby's question... Who else do you play thereThat doesnt involve changing the system as per your original comment thenOtherwise why didnt you just say "Play a Right-Back out of position there" when replying to Naby1 -
We tried it with both Ramsay and Bree and it was a disaster both times. Clarke looked fine there for 10 minutes yesterday so might be an optionbobmunro said:ForeverAddickted said:
What system doesnt involve us playing a Left-Back at all?superclive98 said:
He could change the system.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.Yes we have to play a left back - but where in the football manual does it say that left backs have to be left-footed? Some of the greatest left backs of all time were right-footed - Santos, Fachetti and arguably the GOAT - Maldini.Do we not have any right-footed full backs who could play on the left side? Any would likely be better than our current crop of left-footers!6 -
Still have faith in NJ. We are were was expected and IMO not having fit left sided defenders since September has really cost us let’s hope that can be rectified this week enabling us to keep our Championship status which has always been the aim4
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Because he was talking about TC being the only option to play at LWB.ForeverAddickted said:superclive98 said:
Try reading Bob's post above.ForeverAddickted said:superclive98 said:
Who said anything about not playing a left back?ForeverAddickted said:
What system doesnt involve us playing a Left-Back at all?superclive98 said:
He could change the system.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.Yeaaaa... You've lost me now...TC plays Left Wing-Back, because Chambers is now our sole actual player in that position, and TC is the only alternative that can really play there... Changing the system, still requires us to play a Left-Back OR Left Wing-Back which is Chambers or Campbell. Otherwise it comes back to Naby's question... Who else do you play thereThat doesnt involve changing the system as per your original comment thenOtherwise why didnt you just say "Play a Right-Back out of position there" when replying to Naby1 -
If you haven't got the players to play a wingback system, change it.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.
To keep playing Campbell at left wing back is bollox3 -
We don’t have the players to play any system though. That’s the problem when you have no left back fit to play. Campbell at LWB was the least bad solution, it’s not a good solution but what else can we have done this last couple of months? Hopefully now with Chambers and more coming in we won’t have to see it againblackpool72 said:
If you haven't got the players to play a wingback system, change it.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.
To keep playing Campbell at left wing back is bollox6 -
I must admit that change at half time yesterday surprised me. Not just for moving TC to lwb but also for bringing off Chambers. I thought he was doing ok and gave us balance on the left side. Add to that the ineptness of our summer signings and you do have to question what is going on. Apter rarely used. Olaofe rarely used. Knibbs rarely used and now out injured. Bree in and out with injuries. Burke in and out with injuries. The central midfield not really strengthened and Rankin-Costello has been in and out..The only player, really, with a bit of class was Bell but he seems to be injury prone as well. So, I’m at a loss really to see where we go from here. I don’t think the answer is to get rid of Jones. Not yet anyway. But, he’s making so many mistakes and his stubbornness is not helping things. I suppose all we can do now is knuckle down and grind things out with what we’ve got. What a mess though. This wasn’t what I was expecting after last season and, supposedly, a good pre season transfer window.3
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Don’t know if it’s already been stated but if I’m not mistaken NJ took back charge of Luton in 2019/20 season after an unsuccessful stink with Stoke where they were 23rd in the table with 9 games to save their season 5 points from safety.
From then until the end of the season they ended the season 19th W4 D4 L1. They ended up being 3 points clear of none other than ourselves.If there is any man capable of keeping us up it’s NJ, he’s been here before and done it and I trust him to do it again. I don’t think we should sack him personally.4 -
Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today.9
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We lost 4-0 at The Den in 2010, so our worst capitulation in 16 years. Not quite as bad as all that.Three late goals in that game too to turn it from traditional loss to statistical pasting.peterreeves said:If we don't get quality players in this week and the losing continues then he's gone in my opinion. I can see Curtis Fleming taking charge as well.
Yesterday was unforgivable, the worst capitulation against Millwall in 50 years. There fans were saying last night that wasn't even a derby, pathetic and almost sad...
I'm not sure if we can turn this around but there's still hope but it's flipping thin.1 -
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CodeRed said:Don’t know if it’s already been stated but if I’m not mistaken NJ took back charge of Luton in 2019/20 season after an unsuccessful stink with Stoke where they were 23rd in the table with 9 games to save their season 5 points from safety.
From then until the end of the season they ended the season 19th W4 D4 L1. They ended up being 3 points clear of none other than ourselves.If there is any man capable of keeping us up it’s NJ, he’s been here before and done it and I trust him to do it again. I don’t think we should sack him personally.
I get your logic, but there is a difference - Luton were 23rd under another manager, Jones has arrived at where we are now under his sole charge.2 -
It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.The Red Robin said:Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today.7 -
Players who have played left (wing) back for Charlton this season:bobmunro said:ForeverAddickted said:
What system doesnt involve us playing a Left-Back at all?superclive98 said:
He could change the system.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.Yes we have to play a left back - but where in the football manual does it say that left backs have to be left-footed? Some of the greatest left backs of all time were right-footed - Santos, Fachetti and arguably the GOAT - Maldini.Do we not have any right-footed full backs who could play on the left side? Any would likely be better than our current crop of left-footers!
Josh Edwards
Amari’i Bell
Kayne Ramsay
Onel Hernandez
Tyreece Campbell
Macauley Gillesphey
Ibrahim Fullah
Rob Apter
James Bree
Luke Chambers
Harry Clarke
Reece BurkeImplying that Jones hasn’t tried different players (left foot / right foot) or systems (back five / back four) is a bit disingenuous.
He had settled on TC at LWB because he deemed it to be the least bad option.4 -
And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.LargeAddick said:
It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.The Red Robin said:Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today.1 -
What’s the more likely outcome
Promotion from here
or relegation from here
Jones delivered the first turnaround, which was much more remarkable than what is needed this time, why are so many so sure he can’t do the second? It’s an easier task than what he pulled of last season. I’m sure it’s the same voices that wanted him sacked last season that are the first to flip this time but surely he’s earned more time to show he can do it again?2 -
Unlikely to do it a second time round because it looks quite clear he's lost the players. The evidence is there. Won't play Apter, pissed off the Doc, dropped Carey, and so on. The Millwall debacle surely suggests this.0
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People were saying the exact same things a year ago on this very thread and it turned out to be a load of bollocks. Truth is none of us know what the relationship between Jones and the players is likeMelrose said:Unlikely to do it a second time round because it looks quite clear he's lost the players. The evidence is there. Won't play Apter, pissed off the Doc, dropped Carey, and so on. The Millwall debacle surely suggests this.
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Watch any team on any EFL Highlights shows as a basic comparison. They all play better, more direct, more creative football than us. Or watch a few of them live on Sky etc. it’s the same. It can’t all be the players. It’s basic coaching.
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No nobody knows for sure, but the clues are there. Body language, lack of fight etc etc.NabySarr said:
People were saying the exact same things a year ago on this very thread and it turned out to be a load of bollocks. Truth is none of us know what the relationship between Jones and the players is likeMelrose said:Unlikely to do it a second time round because it looks quite clear he's lost the players. The evidence is there. Won't play Apter, pissed off the Doc, dropped Carey, and so on. The Millwall debacle surely suggests this.1 -
Simply getting into a losing habit does that though, the fact that we've struggled for months now, without the right players to fit any system is going to have an effect on player morale... Or do you think they're losing games and have a good laugh about it on the journey home?Melrose said:
No nobody knows for sure, but the clues are there. Body language, lack of fight etc etc.NabySarr said:
People were saying the exact same things a year ago on this very thread and it turned out to be a load of bollocks. Truth is none of us know what the relationship between Jones and the players is likeMelrose said:Unlikely to do it a second time round because it looks quite clear he's lost the players. The evidence is there. Won't play Apter, pissed off the Doc, dropped Carey, and so on. The Millwall debacle surely suggests this.
The lack of fight could just as easily be attributed to players not wanting to step up, because they're fearful of making a mistake, it's why they need the fan support more than ever.
Am sure I will be told its Jones' responsibility to give these players the boost, but with any mental problems, the only person who can truly fix that sort of problem, is the individual themselves..1 -
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Clichés sweetie, clichés. A tiresome clique would be something like the Man Utd class of 92. (I know, it's not very classy to nitpick on spelling but the mental image made me laugh.)ForeverAddickted said:
Because a Manager losing the dressing room is one of the most tiresome cliques in the game... Every time a team goes on a losing run it gets uttered, when no one will ever truly know.cafc_se7 said:
Why does everything turn into sarcasm? Is this not a forum for healthy debate?ForeverAddickted said:cafc_se7 said:
Seriously what makes you think Skubula would be good at championship level? Chris Davies who smashed up league one albeit with plenty of money, has spent even more this season and still not really pulled up any trees, far from it. Does that not tell you how tough this league is and no matter what style of football you play you are not guaranteed success. Skubula would be an extremely short sighted replacement in my opinion. Richie Wellens is not a championship level manager!AberystwythAddick said:
Just ignore the other two then 👍NabySarr said:
Lost me at Will Still. Horrendous suggestion, imagine him trying to play his style of football here. Our players can barely pass the ball. Then it might even get worse with the Wellens suggestionAberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personGoing to order a couple of these and send them to the Valley to stop it from happening anymore...
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He has created quite the toxic environment, self-made disharmony with the fans, which is compelled by his complete turgid style of play. I don't expect us to be peak Barcelona, but Jones makes little attempt for us to play anything resembling positive football.5
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I new thataliwibble said:
Clichés sweetie, clichés. A tiresome clique would be something like the Man Utd class of 92. (I know, it's not very classy to nitpick on spelling but the mental image made me laugh.)ForeverAddickted said:
Because a Manager losing the dressing room is one of the most tiresome cliques in the game... Every time a team goes on a losing run it gets uttered, when no one will ever truly know.cafc_se7 said:
Why does everything turn into sarcasm? Is this not a forum for healthy debate?ForeverAddickted said:cafc_se7 said:
Seriously what makes you think Skubula would be good at championship level? Chris Davies who smashed up league one albeit with plenty of money, has spent even more this season and still not really pulled up any trees, far from it. Does that not tell you how tough this league is and no matter what style of football you play you are not guaranteed success. Skubula would be an extremely short sighted replacement in my opinion. Richie Wellens is not a championship level manager!AberystwythAddick said:
Just ignore the other two then 👍NabySarr said:
Lost me at Will Still. Horrendous suggestion, imagine him trying to play his style of football here. Our players can barely pass the ball. Then it might even get worse with the Wellens suggestionAberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personGoing to order a couple of these and send them to the Valley to stop it from happening anymore...4 -
Nobody wants to see the facts that Jones has tried shuffling the deck and it hasn't worked. Without a fit LB we have no one there that can do even an okay job. Maybe that changes now we have Clarke who looks like he could be quite decent and Chambers who is young, not match sharp, raw, will make mistakes but looks up for it.Callumcafc said:
Players who have played left (wing) back for Charlton this season:bobmunro said:ForeverAddickted said:
What system doesnt involve us playing a Left-Back at all?superclive98 said:
He could change the system.NabySarr said:
He does it because there is no one else to play there. Do you really think he wants to play him there?blackpool72 said:His insistence of playing Campbell at left wing back as he done again 2nd half yesterday is absolutely baffling.
Even a blind person can see it doesn't work and I can only assume he keeps doing it through stubbornness.
Pisses me off.Yes we have to play a left back - but where in the football manual does it say that left backs have to be left-footed? Some of the greatest left backs of all time were right-footed - Santos, Fachetti and arguably the GOAT - Maldini.Do we not have any right-footed full backs who could play on the left side? Any would likely be better than our current crop of left-footers!
Josh Edwards
Amari’i Bell
Kayne Ramsay
Onel Hernandez
Tyreece Campbell
Macauley Gillesphey
Ibrahim Fullah
Rob Apter
James Bree
Luke Chambers
Harry Clarke
Reece BurkeImplying that Jones hasn’t tried different players (left foot / right foot) or systems (back five / back four) is a bit disingenuous.
He had settled on TC at LWB because he deemed it to be the least bad option.
The more obvious fact is across the board we just don't have a strong enough squad for the Championship. Even the "big money" summer signings were upper league 1/lower championship big money as opposed to consistent championship money.
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Another factor with Jones is that for too long now he'll make many changes from one game to the next, a settled team would make things a lot better imo.
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But then everyone complains he's not making changes.ElfsborgAddick said:Another factor with Jones is that for too long now he'll make many changes from one game to the next, a settled team would make things a lot better imo.2 -
Exactly. If he goes with the same starting line up next week this place will go mentalDazzler21 said:
But then everyone complains he's not making changes.ElfsborgAddick said:Another factor with Jones is that for too long now he'll make many changes from one game to the next, a settled team would make things a lot better imo.0 -
Have any interviewers actually asked Jones where Docherty is??0
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I'm very much Jones in, but something doesn't feel right. Definitely feels like something has gone wrong behind the scenes. We are miles off the work rate & energy levels we had up until November.
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Everyone I see interview him are afraid to ask the awkward questions because he’s a stroppy bugger at the best of times .carly burn said:Have any interviewers actually asked Jones where Docherty is??0
