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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,634
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    Wasn't must win games though I was told. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,160
    edited January 25
    Watch any team on any EFL Highlights shows as a basic comparison. They all play better, more direct, more creative football than us. Or watch a few of them live on Sky etc. it’s the same. It can’t all be the players. It’s basic coaching. 
    Mad that every team is better than us - we must be rock bottom no hopers and long since relegated.

    Oh we’re 18th..?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,210
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    I’d swear that if we were four points adrift of safety with just one game to play you’d still put a positive spin on it.
  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,203
    QCallumcafc said:
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    I’d swear that if we were four points adrift of safety with just one game to play you’d still put a positive spin on it.
    Except Callum is right. 
    Statistically and emotionally 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,494
    MrWalker said:
    QCallumcafc said:
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    I’d swear that if we were four points adrift of safety with just one game to play you’d still put a positive spin on it.
    Except Callum is right. 
    Statistically and emotionally 

    How do we judge who we are better than?

    The league table as it stands, or the form table over the last, say, 15 games.

    I think you would learn more (and gain a more accurate reading) from the latter.
  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,203
    And yet the former  is where we are.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,944
    Another factor with Jones is that for too long now he'll make many changes from one game to the next, a settled team would make things a lot better imo.
    I agree, but the problem is everyone keeps playing badly so it’s hard to keep playing them. I think he needs to just pick what he thinks is his best team and stick with it. We went through similar last season though where he couldn’t work it out and then something clicked, he’s trying to find something that works and hopefully will stumble on something soon

    What’s frustrating is that even just a month ago it felt like we were getting somewhere with a Leaburn and Kelman partnership, Costello playing well in midfield. I felt like we were getting closer to clicking but since the Chelsea game we’ve gone backwards 
  • siblers
    siblers Posts: 2,119
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    Portsmouth looking more and more likely to leapfrog us. They'll fancy their chances at The Valley
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,944
    siblers said:
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    Portsmouth looking more and more likely to leapfrog us. They'll fancy their chances at The Valley
    As will every other team that visits us.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,839
    edited January 25
    MrWalker said:
    And yet the former  is where we are.
    So we're a better team than Norwich...?

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  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,113
    edited January 25
    The way I see it is we’re the second worst team in the league who got early points through the momentum of promotion. Blackburn and Oxford are arguably as poor but after Saturday I can’t see us finishing anything other than second from bottom unless we either change the manager or splash out this week on some quality but players like that are expensive and few and far between and probably wouldn’t want to come to Charlton to fight in a relegation battle anyway.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,160
    edited 12:06AM
    MrWalker said:
    QCallumcafc said:
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    I’d swear that if we were four points adrift of safety with just one game to play you’d still put a positive spin on it.
    Except Callum is right. 
    Statistically and emotionally 

    How do we judge who we are better than?

    The league table as it stands, or the form table over the last, say, 15 games.

    I think you would learn more (and gain a more accurate reading) from the latter.
    It’s not the form table that decides which teams go down.

    Obviously if the shit form continues we know what it means, but that’s why it’s form. Because it tends to vary over a 46 game season.

    How many times in football have you thought “where’s the next win coming from?” and then it appears.

    How many people thought we’d do Northampton 5-0 at their place last December before it happened? And how many people thought our supposed League One squad would win 3-0 at Portman Road this season?

    We were always going to have a bad spell this year - and it’s lasting a bit longer than is comfortable for anyone. What’s yet to be seen is how and when we react to it. 

    What’s the point in being a supporter if you can’t believe in your team?
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,944
    MrWalker said:
    QCallumcafc said:
    Those two points dropped at Blackburn and point dropped at Pompey are looking pretty costly today. 
    It’s not only the points we dropped but the fact we allowed Blackburn to earn a point and Pompey to earn all three. Two massive results.
    And yet we’re above both in the league. Would’ve been nice if the gap was bigger but I’d still rather be us than be them.
    I’d swear that if we were four points adrift of safety with just one game to play you’d still put a positive spin on it.
    Except Callum is right. 
    Statistically and emotionally 

    How do we judge who we are better than?

    The league table as it stands, or the form table over the last, say, 15 games.

    I think you would learn more (and gain a more accurate reading) from the latter.
    It’s not the form table that decides which teams go down.

    Obviously if the shit form continues we know what it means, but that’s why it’s form. Because it tends to vary over a 46 game season.

    How many times in football have you thought “where’s the next win coming from?” and then it appears.

    How many people thought we’d do Northampton 5-0 at their place last December before it happened? And how many people thought our supposed League One squad would win 3-0 at Portman Road this season?

    We were always going to have a bad spell this year - and it’s lasting a bit longer than is comfortable for anyone. What’s yet to be seen is how and when we react to it. 

    What’s the point in being a supporter if you can’t believe in your team?
    Because you don't have to have blind belief.
    We all hope that we stay up but performances like yesterday don't help that belief, especially when good performances are few and far between.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,798
    Watch any team on any EFL Highlights shows as a basic comparison. They all play better, more direct, more creative football than us. Or watch a few of them live on Sky etc. it’s the same. It can’t all be the players. It’s basic coaching. 
    Mad that every team is better than us - we must be rock bottom no hopers and long since relegated.

    Oh we’re 18th..?
    Go and watch them.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,874
    Chunes said:
    MrWalker said:
    And yet the former  is where we are.
    So we're a better team than Norwich...?
    Over the course of the season so far...