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POST-MATCH THREAD: Millwall V Charlton Athletic: Saturday 24th January 2026: KO 12:30

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  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,490
    I have to say, you did get in the ground well early though. Needed more home fan engagement this episode 😂
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,688
    2121 said:
    I have to say, you did get in the ground well early though. Needed more home fan engagement this episode 😂
    A fair few Charlton fans possibly departed the ground early too.
    Don't blame em.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,807
    Later upload than usual, sure people won't mind this time

    https://youtu.be/bPyMqZKR1ho?si=w-1RB2BDkhxl2I7L
    First vlog I’ve ever watched Braziliance. Got to say that was excellent and a very good watch. Fair play. 
    North stand banter also singing your praises @Braziliance
  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 656
    ns9 said:
    I find the talk that Rak Sakyi is completely out of our league very frustrating - he would make an enormous positive difference to us, and quality of that level is always going to be expensive. He’s worth it all day long if we stay up. 
    Of course Rak-Sakyi would be a great asset. But if we have that sort of money available (it seems not) then there are better ways to spend it. We could buy a competent LCB, a competent LWB, and a better MF than Rankin-Costello. Our forwards are not great, but they are good enough to keep us up if the rest of the team is functioning.
  • aso914
    aso914 Posts: 356
    Rewatching the match and despite the god awful defending for the first goal I really don’t think we played too bad in the first half. Played some decent football on the floor the final third was just lacking as usual. Jones taking TC off and moving him to LWB during the second half killed the game. I actually like the look of Chambers however this empathizes the importance of why we needed to bring someone in at LWB fully match fit. 
  • ns9
    ns9 Posts: 33
    wolfgang said:
    ns9 said:
    I find the talk that Rak Sakyi is completely out of our league very frustrating - he would make an enormous positive difference to us, and quality of that level is always going to be expensive. He’s worth it all day long if we stay up. 
    Of course Rak-Sakyi would be a great asset. But if we have that sort of money available (it seems not) then there are better ways to spend it. We could buy a competent LCB, a competent LWB, and a better MF than Rankin-Costello. Our forwards are not great, but they are good enough to keep us up if the rest of the team is functioning.
    My thinking was along the lines of a loan rather than a permanent deal (which, at the rumoured £8m, would absolutely rule us out). I have no idea of the figures involved for a loan, but given the predicament we are in, is paying him (I’m guessing) £25k a week for 6 months really beyond us financially for a genuine game changer? (He was also in our Directors Box last week - regardless of the reasons behind that, it feels like there could be a deal to be done if we could put the finances in place). My £25k a week figure could be way off but it feels realistic to me, and if the rumours of Kaminski being on circa £20k per week are true, then potentially bringing in JRS for only slightly more would seem a complete no brainer.
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,729
    ns9 said:
    wolfgang said:
    ns9 said:
    I find the talk that Rak Sakyi is completely out of our league very frustrating - he would make an enormous positive difference to us, and quality of that level is always going to be expensive. He’s worth it all day long if we stay up. 
    Of course Rak-Sakyi would be a great asset. But if we have that sort of money available (it seems not) then there are better ways to spend it. We could buy a competent LCB, a competent LWB, and a better MF than Rankin-Costello. Our forwards are not great, but they are good enough to keep us up if the rest of the team is functioning.
    My thinking was along the lines of a loan rather than a permanent deal (which, at the rumoured £8m, would absolutely rule us out). I have no idea of the figures involved for a loan, but given the predicament we are in, is paying him (I’m guessing) £25k a week for 6 months really beyond us financially for a genuine game changer? (He was also in our Directors Box last week - regardless of the reasons behind that, it feels like there could be a deal to be done if we could put the finances in place). My £25k a week figure could be way off but it feels realistic to me, and if the rumours of Kaminski being on circa £20k per week are true, then potentially bringing in JRS for only slightly more would seem a complete no brainer.
    Absolutely outrageous bit of 'business' if true.
  • ns9 said:
    wolfgang said:
    ns9 said:
    I find the talk that Rak Sakyi is completely out of our league very frustrating - he would make an enormous positive difference to us, and quality of that level is always going to be expensive. He’s worth it all day long if we stay up. 
    Of course Rak-Sakyi would be a great asset. But if we have that sort of money available (it seems not) then there are better ways to spend it. We could buy a competent LCB, a competent LWB, and a better MF than Rankin-Costello. Our forwards are not great, but they are good enough to keep us up if the rest of the team is functioning.
    My thinking was along the lines of a loan rather than a permanent deal (which, at the rumoured £8m, would absolutely rule us out). I have no idea of the figures involved for a loan, but given the predicament we are in, is paying him (I’m guessing) £25k a week for 6 months really beyond us financially for a genuine game changer? (He was also in our Directors Box last week - regardless of the reasons behind that, it feels like there could be a deal to be done if we could put the finances in place). My £25k a week figure could be way off but it feels realistic to me, and if the rumours of Kaminski being on circa £20k per week are true, then potentially bringing in JRS for only slightly more would seem a complete no brainer.
    It would also give the fans, the players and the club as a whole, a huge lift, and some hope until the end of the season..
    If he can go on loan to some obscure club in Turkey, why not us!
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  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,627
    Go 451, rak saki one side and TC on the other and stop this placid defending games out shit - would solve other problems like gillesphey and our 2 new wing backs who’s minutes need managing 🤷‍♂️ can go full back and have an easier time of it - needs sorting this week 

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  • DOUCHER said:
    Go 451, rak saki one side and TC on the other and stop this placid defending games out shit - would solve other problems like gillesphey and our 2 new wing backs who’s minutes need managing 🤷‍♂️ can go full back and have an easier time of it - needs sorting this week 
    Good point. Sticking with Nathan's system/style of play would probably require at least 3 new signings.

    Changing the system to accommodate 2 wide players, we could probably get away with just one good signing and we might actually get to see some entertaining football for a change.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,729
    edited January 27
    Just watched the first half in full for the first time. I’d sooner erase the second 45 from memory than subject myself to it again.

    Plenty of things to be encouraged by - on numerous occasions we broke on them but for whatever reason didn’t fashion the chance our play deserved.

    I think it’s clear that, even when we play ok, most of the issues we cause for ourselves come from the play of Gillesphey and Anderson. I also, for the first time, thought Kaminski was exacerbating Ramsay’s problems rather than being a calming presence between the sticks.

    TC stuck out, in a very positive way - probably the second best player on the pitch behind Azeez who was streets ahead of all 21 others. 

    On that evidence, I’d want to start TC up front again this coming weekend and give him more of a free role, encourage to come central as often as possible - it opens up the outer channel for Chambers and on the couple of occasions he did cut in from deep, he started attacks on our right had side by sliding a nice pass over to Carey or Clarke in space.

    I think teams are so petrified of what TC can do to them down the left that they are giving up a lot of space on the right where they don’t think Clarke (or previously Bree) is as likely to hurt them. I think Apter could produce a lot more from those same position. And now we have a left back in the building, we should be more comfortable having Apter out on that wing, stretching the pitch as much as possible.

    An away game might not be the place for it but by mid February I’d like to see the team look something like this, with the ability to switch between 4-2-3-1 and 3-5-2 as needed:

    Kaminski
    Clarke Jones Bell Chambers
    JRC Coventry
    Apter Carey TC
    Dykes
  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,698
    Just watched the first half in full for the first time. I’d sooner erase the second 45 from memory than subject myself to it again.

    Plenty of things to be encouraged by - on numerous occasions we broke on them but for whatever reason didn’t fashion the chance our play deserved.

    I think it’s clear that, even when we play ok, most of the issues we cause for ourselves come from the play of Gillesphey and Anderson. I also, for the first time, thought Kaminski was exacerbating Ramsay’s problems rather than being a calming presence between the sticks.

    TC stuck out, in a very positive way - probably the second best player on the pitch behind Azeez who was streets ahead of all 21 others. 

    On that evidence, I’d want to start TC up front again this coming weekend and give him more of a free role, encourage to come central as often as possible - it opens up the outer channel for Chambers and on the couple of occasions he did cut in from deep, he started attacks on our right had side by sliding a nice pass over to Carey or Clarke in space.

    I think teams are so petrified of what TC can do to them down the left that they are giving up a lot of space on the right where they don’t think Clarke (or previously Bree) is as likely to hurt them.

    An away game might not be the place for it but by mid February I’d like to see the team look something like this, with the ability to switch between 4-2-3-1 and 3-5-2 as needed:

    Kaminski
    Clarke Jones Bell Chambers
    JRC Coventry
    Apter Carey TC
    Dykes
    I like that, apart from Dykes, think Leaburn is the more likely to score, even though he’s struggled this season with goals he’s looked a lot better lately, apart from putting himself about a bit not sure Dykes offers much.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,208
    Just watched the first half in full for the first time. I’d sooner erase the second 45 from memory than subject myself to it again.

    Plenty of things to be encouraged by - on numerous occasions we broke on them but for whatever reason didn’t fashion the chance our play deserved.

    I think it’s clear that, even when we play ok, most of the issues we cause for ourselves come from the play of Gillesphey and Anderson. I also, for the first time, thought Kaminski was exacerbating Ramsay’s problems rather than being a calming presence between the sticks.

    TC stuck out, in a very positive way - probably the second best player on the pitch behind Azeez who was streets ahead of all 21 others. 

    On that evidence, I’d want to start TC up front again this coming weekend and give him more of a free role, encourage to come central as often as possible - it opens up the outer channel for Chambers and on the couple of occasions he did cut in from deep, he started attacks on our right had side by sliding a nice pass over to Carey or Clarke in space.

    I think teams are so petrified of what TC can do to them down the left that they are giving up a lot of space on the right where they don’t think Clarke (or previously Bree) is as likely to hurt them. I think Apter could produce a lot more from those same position. And now we have a left back in the building, we should be more comfortable having Apter out on that wing, stretching the pitch as much as possible.

    An away game might not be the place for it but by mid February I’d like to see the team look something like this, with the ability to switch between 4-2-3-1 and 3-5-2 as needed:

    Kaminski
    Clarke Jones Bell Chambers
    JRC Coventry
    Apter Carey TC
    Dykes
    I think this is the team we need, back in the hybrid formation. Would also go with Leaburn up top as he’s more mobile

    Still think upgrading with a new player that can cover LCB/LWB and a new CM will be crucial to how we do 
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 3,052
    Our goal attempts are poor,why,when we have a 6ft 7in striker do we not put early crosses in,Azeez did ,every opportunity,no poncing about,whip it over,getting to the by line is all when and good,but,when did we last score a goal from a TC cut back,Get the ball to the wingers,cross it early,get a few knock downs,Godden back to sniff them out,and who knows we might just score a few more.
    Dont know whats gone wrong with Ramsey,when was the last time he got in the opponents half,he looks shot to me.
  • Just watched the first half in full for the first time. I’d sooner erase the second 45 from memory than subject myself to it again.

    Plenty of things to be encouraged by - on numerous occasions we broke on them but for whatever reason didn’t fashion the chance our play deserved.

    I think it’s clear that, even when we play ok, most of the issues we cause for ourselves come from the play of Gillesphey and Anderson. I also, for the first time, thought Kaminski was exacerbating Ramsay’s problems rather than being a calming presence between the sticks.

    TC stuck out, in a very positive way - probably the second best player on the pitch behind Azeez who was streets ahead of all 21 others. 

    On that evidence, I’d want to start TC up front again this coming weekend and give him more of a free role, encourage to come central as often as possible - it opens up the outer channel for Chambers and on the couple of occasions he did cut in from deep, he started attacks on our right had side by sliding a nice pass over to Carey or Clarke in space.

    I think teams are so petrified of what TC can do to them down the left that they are giving up a lot of space on the right where they don’t think Clarke (or previously Bree) is as likely to hurt them. I think Apter could produce a lot more from those same position. And now we have a left back in the building, we should be more comfortable having Apter out on that wing, stretching the pitch as much as possible.

    An away game might not be the place for it but by mid February I’d like to see the team look something like this, with the ability to switch between 4-2-3-1 and 3-5-2 as needed:

    Kaminski
    Clarke Jones Bell Chambers
    JRC Coventry
    Apter Carey TC
    Dykes
    Feels like this hasn't been discussed as much as I'd expect, especially given a fair number of people have been calling for Mannion for a while. As usual he didn't claim balls that really you think he should (and Mannion would) but there also just seemed to be a complete lack of communication. Multiple times he and defenders, Ramsay in particular, not on the same page and balls getting headed for corners or back into danger when Kam actually did look ready to catch them. Have been a bit dubious about calls for Mannion because Kaminski does make some great and goal-saving stops, but his failure to command the box is potentially causing as many goals as he is stopping and particularly with confidence so low it feels like we need a keeper that will take some pressure off the defence, not just bail them out sometimes when an attacker gets through.

    Also agree with your team shout, though like others would prefer Leaburn to start and Dykes in the last 20.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,605
    Callum, Nug and Naby's posts above are definitely similar to my thoughts on the way forward after the humiliation of 24/1/26. 

    4-2-3-1 has to be one option as this would free up TC from the failed decision to play him as a LWB.

    The first thing I learnt and I then taught was how in and out of possession formations change; it seems obvious but many see formation as rigid like table football !

    Kaminski/Mannion 
    *Ramsay/Clarke Jones Bell Chambers/Clarke* 
    JRC Coventry
    Apter Carey TC
    Leaburn 

    *Ramsay hasn't become a rubbish player overnight so unless we have received a bid from Middlesbrough then hopefully he can get his head together and recover from his two Millwall nightmares.

    *Clarke can cover any of the back 4 but personally I would like to see if Chambers a natural Left footer with pace can work with TC.

    Top scorer Carey needs to be getting the ball with the option to run forward and get his shots off or have Apter to his right and TC to his left to feed.

    Change 4-2-3-1 to 4-4-2* if Kelman comes on or starts as he needs to play off Miles or Dykes.

    *Don't judge 4-4-2 on the Shambles late on against Millwall as heads had dropped and Macca and Kayne were having a mare and no one had each others back as all the links had broken and Millwall were rampant.

    This week is the most important 4/5 days at Sparrows lane ( I would have cancelled there Wednesday day off) because if the squad don't have unity we are screwed and it won't matter what formation we play.

    My confidence in Nathan have dipped but I can't see the board paying off his contract to 2030 so Nathan can earn his decent wage and find solutions with a cool head if that's possible for our Welsh firebrand.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,680
    edited January 27
    2121 said:
    I have to say, you did get in the ground well early though. Needed more home fan engagement this episode 😂
    Yeah we did, it's cause we set off early just incase, I had to sort out my cousins ticket, and then I wanted to be in early cause I really wanted to make sure I was front row. 

    I did speak to loads of them tbf, they just didn't want to go on camera. Some of their comments were interesting. 

    "Fuck off m8, I ain't going on no vlog"
    "We better not talk mate, as there is Police nearby, and some words could get exchanged, and suddenly they'll be over"
    "Vlogger?! Yeah no fkn thanks mate, good luck to ya though" 

    And some other lines I can't quite remember. To be honest, they were actually really welcoming surprisingly, I was expecting more grief. Watford the most unwelcoming bunch so far, would have been scary if all the ones mouthy didn't have slugs for moustaches and built like pot belly virgins.

    If there is a next time anytime soon, I'll go on my own and spend more time among them 😂
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,680
    Later upload than usual, sure people won't mind this time

    https://youtu.be/bPyMqZKR1ho?si=w-1RB2BDkhxl2I7L
    First vlog I’ve ever watched Braziliance. Got to say that was excellent and a very good watch. Fair play. 
    Cheers Millwall fan, 

    Now fackk off 😉
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,680
    I have been given some pelters and I know my views get some heat, but I've seen this run coming for months, specifically since Hull away, all the signs have been there.

    I said Docherty can't play at this level and now our manager wants him out. I said Apter could never replace Small and play wingback, and he can't. I really emphasised the importance of that run of 3 games of Norwich, Pompey and Blackburn, I was told I was being dramatic for attention, but now people want Jones out for a run of bad results, even though really, that is when alarm bells should have rang. 

    I personally don't believe he can turn this around. I see a lot of people mention last season as a benchmark and how Jones turned it around, but it isn't the same. 

    Every team we play now this season, probably wins League 1, barring Sheff Wednesday. We no longer have a top6 budget and squad with the likes of Northampton & Burton to play, we are up against very big clubs with very big budgets.

    I truly don't see how we get the 6 wins we probably need to stay up, might sound negative, but it's how I feel.

    Your points above are spot on. It is just a big contrast between your likeable approach in the videos and the tone and wording you use in written form. 

    Good video and well done for keeping it up! 

    Yeah some really nice bloke recently approached me and said I am nice in person but come across a right twat on here. 

    It's why I restricted my posting on here a bit, but then missed the conversations.

    I'll always say I don't mean to be rude, just imagine I am usually grinning when I post :) 

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  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,326
    Good news is, if we lose on Saturday we could be in the bottom three 😭
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 25,177
    ross1 said:
    Good news is, if we lose on Saturday we could be in the bottom three 😭
    Least we won't be able to go any lower...every cloud eh...😉
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,541
    I was really impressed with Crama on Saturday....for someone who is a CB he got forward a lot....has some pace and can put a tackle in......then again it was against us
  • aso914
    aso914 Posts: 356
    ct_addick said:
    I was really impressed with Crama on Saturday....for someone who is a CB he got forward a lot....has some pace and can put a tackle in......then again it was against us
    Millwall fans have been singing his praises all season but he really is the real deal. I was impressed as well
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,208
    ct_addick said:
    I was really impressed with Crama on Saturday....for someone who is a CB he got forward a lot....has some pace and can put a tackle in......then again it was against us
    Thought he was one of the best players in league 1 that I saw last season against us for Exeter, absolutely dominant against us and scored a good goal. Shame Millwall quickly snapped him up in January last year 
  • What we need is the entire Millwall football team, nothing less.  At the moment we can enjoy a derby against Bromley next season, Orient the year after and then see who is in the National league.  Whoever sanctioned buying league 1 players in the summer was a genius to get us back there next season.  As Fraser would have said, Were Doomed
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 4,020
    We're.
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,688
    What we need is the entire Millwall football team, nothing less.  At the moment we can enjoy a derby against Bromley next season, Orient the year after and then see who is in the National league.  Whoever sanctioned buying league 1 players in the summer was a genius to get us back there next season.  As Fraser would have said....
    Does anyone know a decent decorator?
  • mayoboy
    mayoboy Posts: 28
    edited January 27
    To understand our mess at the moment you have to understand the structure of a good team.

    So in rugby its positions 2,8,9,10 and 15. Get that right with excellent players and you can get away playing with good to average players in the other positions.

    Likewise in football its Goal Keeper, Centre Back, Centre Midfield and Centre forward.

    Get that right and you have the basis of a good team.

    IMO we have just one player in those key positions who is performing to championship level.

    The consistency that we had in league 1 has now gone.

    In regards to transfers; buying/ loaning left backs is a nice hobby but it's the core of the team that worries me.






  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,661
    Can’t take this one pinned to the top of the forum anymore!