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Oi you lot, Rob Apter. Whats going on? - 28/01/26 gone on loan to Bolton (p7)
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Can't imagine this has been good for squad morale, might explain the Millwall capitulation.robroy said:
Apter’s old man has liked this pop at Jones1 -
Alfie MayCAFCsayer said:Hasn't been a transfer out universally criticized this much since yann7 -
Callumcafc said:
Alfie MayCAFCsayer said:Hasn't been a transfer out universally criticized this much since yann
George Dobson debacle was a terrible affair n'all.7 -
Just a terrible signing. Didn't fit into our team structure at all and Blackpool fans said he had a bit of an attitude problem.
Jones isn't flexible on formation or attitude so this was always going to go wrong and should never have happened. Whoever bought him to the club was negligent.
I do wonder if him and Tantos clear u happiness with noises coming out tonight were pointed out to Jones by Doc who has then been binned as well.
If that is the case and there is disharmony in the dressing room we would have been way better spending whatever money we have, getting rid of Jones as there will be no coming back and it will get ugly.1 -
Nathan Jones prefers Anderson who has minimal skill on the ball but can run around a lot than a skillful player like Apter. Its not Karoy obviously that's keeping Rob out the team but sticking with 3-5-2 when we are struggling to get someone to play the wing back role since Edwards and Bree have been unavailable.
Nathan could've changed to 4-2-3-1 to accommodate both TC and Apter with the top scorer Carey as the attacking midfielder between them with Leaburn as the Central striker with even going 4-4-2 to try Kelman playing alongside Miles or Dykes.
I would imagine Bolton will play Apter as an attacking wide player which will highlight what a good player he is.
I'm struggling to understand Nathan's decisions and seeing the negativity that has come into the squad since he slagged off Docherty for missing the Penalty against West Brom despite the euphoria that happed with the late winner by Carey. Losing your Captain having your back is a recipe for disaster.
Confidence that we started the season with has eroded quickly and when nearly every member of the squad has lost form at the same time then the manager has to be able to think on his feet which Jones failed to do when he put our best attacking player 1st half at Millwall TC back to LWB from the 45 to the 60 minute.
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Not a memory lapse. The Small wanted to go line is not fact. In January we were a division lower and he was never offered a contract to match the one Preston offered. I believe he would have stayed or certainly could have been persuaded to stay if he had been. My opinion is that Jones never fully trusted him so didn’t really try to keep him. Preston is/are not Barcelona.Rothko said:
FFS, Small wanted to go, was on the way from January. It’s like people are having selective memory lapses to suit themselves since about 4:40 on SaturdayCroydon said:
Becoming more and more of the opinion that Rodwell and Jones are simply moronspaulsturgess said:£2m + salary spent on this, yet Small released - a player who actually fitted the system to which Jones is resolutely committed.
An unbelievable combination of decision making.0 -
I think Apter is being mythologised. He looked tidy on the ball but was wasteful too, he definitely put decent crosses in and could take on a man, but looked lightweight when trying to defend and lost concentration out of possession - constantly.The project to mould him to our style by improving his defensive ability hasn’t worked. The same thing may be happening with TC. We are not putting players in position to maximise the talent they do have. That is a concern.The initial outlay of £2m is done; that will likely go down as a poor piece of business. But that can’t factor into this decision, it’s a sunk cost. This loan allows him to go and get some game time, and gives us a squad slot and wages to use elsewhere - that could be invaluable. I am willing to wait until the window closes to see who else comes in.13
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I agree he was light weight but he was also creative in getting quality balls into the box which is something we lackelbiglad said:I think Apter is being mythologised. He looked tidy on the ball but was wasteful too, he definitely put decent crosses in and could take on a man, but looked lightweight when trying to defend and lost concentration out of possession - constantly.The project to mould him to our style by improving his defensive ability hasn’t worked. The same thing may be happening with TC. We are not putting players in position to maximise the talent they do have. That is a concern.The initial outlay of £2m is done; that will likely go down as a poor piece of business. But that can’t factor into this decision, it’s a sunk cost. This loan allows him to go and get some game time, and gives us a squad slot and wages to use elsewhere - that could be invaluable. I am willing to wait until the window closes to see who else comes in.1 -
Disappointed this didn't work out for Rob. But, as was said at the time, moving to you was a massive step up. Seemed to have started well but got found out.
League one is his level.
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He’ll actually play as a winger there too. Good luck to him. Hopefully we see him back under a new head coach.0
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You can't possibly know that because our dumb manager firstly played him in the wrong role and then just refused to play him.Hertsseasider said:Disappointed this didn't work out for Rob. But, as was said at the time, moving to you was a massive step up. Seemed to have started well but got found out.
League one is his level.
He has got talent. He just needs to play in the right team in the right role. Sadly that wasn't here.6 -
100% this. Even in his best position I doubt he’d have been that good in the Championship but some people make out like we are loaning out one of our best players. I’m sure he will do well for Bolton in league 1 and if he does we might not even lose that much value on the £2m if we really don’t see a future here for him. Think he will probably become a championship footballer in the future so hopefully he does well there and we can have another look in the summerelbiglad said:I think Apter is being mythologised. He looked tidy on the ball but was wasteful too, he definitely put decent crosses in and could take on a man, but looked lightweight when trying to defend and lost concentration out of possession - constantly.The project to mould him to our style by improving his defensive ability hasn’t worked. The same thing may be happening with TC. We are not putting players in position to maximise the talent they do have. That is a concern.The initial outlay of £2m is done; that will likely go down as a poor piece of business. But that can’t factor into this decision, it’s a sunk cost. This loan allows him to go and get some game time, and gives us a squad slot and wages to use elsewhere - that could be invaluable. I am willing to wait until the window closes to see who else comes in.3 -
Bolton's are going to be fun to watch... Going for the clever tactic of getting CBT to skin everyone and then having apter on the opposite side to pick up his over-hit crosses and put a decent one in13
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And think of it like this. You're brand new to the side so don't want to approach the manager directly. Where do you go to maybe air your frustrations? I'll tell you. The club captain..charlton_hero said:
Can't imagine this has been good for squad morale, might explain the Millwall capitulation.robroy said:Apter’s old man has liked this pop at Jones
Would not surprise me in the slightest if Doch listened to their woes and gently approached the manager about it...and then found himself frozen out.2 -
Seems the choice was Wigan or Bolton. If we really see a future here for Apter then I think sending him to Wigan would make more sense, they play a wing back system so he could go and learn the position
If we just want to send him somewhere where he will probably score/assist more then Bolton is the right move, and might mean we recoup most of the £2m we paid if he does well there and puts up good numbers1 -
He’s a good player but he isn’t a wingback that is certain and I’ll be honest with you I don’t see the world beater everyone thinks. Didn’t really go at the defender when 1 vs 1. Weak and not the fastest. In league 1 yes but championship he definitely isn’t ready for5
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Apter is a right wing if NJ wanted a right wing back, why did he sign him - only to hardly play him as he is not a rwb ?This is likely the last we will see for Apter in a Charlton shirt.Hope he does well at Bolton, so some of the transfer fee can be recouped.1
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The fact he’s still our second-highest assist provider and top for big chances created, despite barely playing after August, says a lot about where we were lacking.
I’d rather lose 6-3 having actually gone for it than take a 4–0 drubbing to a local rival after giving up. At least then you can say there was intent.
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I think that your statistic about assists is incorrect. Apter has 1 assist for us this season. Campbell and Bree both have 3, Docherty has 2. Leaburn, Olaofe, Jones, Carey, Coventry, Dykes and Anderson all have 1 each along with Apter. So Apter has the fourth highest number of assists and in that he's level with 7 other players. It's not exactly a Kevin de Bruyne situation hereChar1t0n said:The fact he’s still our second-highest assist provider and top for big chances created, despite barely playing after August, says a lot about where we were lacking.
I’d rather lose 6-3 having actually gone for it than take a 4–0 drubbing to a local rival after giving up. At least then you can say there was intent.
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Why don't you run assists per minutes played through your algorithm and see how that turns out.Garrymanilow said:
I think that your statistic about assists is incorrect. Apter has 1 assist for us this season. Campbell and Bree both have 3, Docherty has 2. Leaburn, Olaofe, Jones, Carey, Coventry, Dykes and Anderson all have 1 each along with Apter. So Apter has the fourth highest number of assists and in that he's level with 7 other players. It's not exactly a Kevin de Bruyne situation hereChar1t0n said:The fact he’s still our second-highest assist provider and top for big chances created, despite barely playing after August, says a lot about where we were lacking.
I’d rather lose 6-3 having actually gone for it than take a 4–0 drubbing to a local rival after giving up. At least then you can say there was intent.
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Garrymanilow said:
I think that your statistic about assists is incorrect. Apter has 1 assist for us this season. Campbell and Bree both have 3, Docherty has 2. Leaburn, Olaofe, Jones, Carey, Coventry, Dykes and Anderson all have 1 each along with Apter. So Apter has the fourth highest number of assists and in that he's level with 7 other players. It's not exactly a Kevin de Bruyne situation hereChar1t0n said:The fact he’s still our second-highest assist provider and top for big chances created, despite barely playing after August, says a lot about where we were lacking.
I’d rather lose 6-3 having actually gone for it than take a 4–0 drubbing to a local rival after giving up. At least then you can say there was intent.
If that’s the case, then fair enough — I’ll retract my opening sentence.
That said, if we’re going to lose, I’d still rather we had a go and gave ourselves something to cheer about. Take the Cup game against Chelsea — we took a thrashing, but I loved every minute of it because at least we tried.
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So why did we pay £2m for him when we only have a limited funds? Absolute madness21cws said:He’s a good player but he isn’t a wingback that is certain and I’ll be honest with you I don’t see the world beater everyone thinks. Didn’t really go at the defender when 1 vs 1. Weak and not the fastest. In league 1 yes but championship he definitely isn’t ready for1 -
carly burn said:
Why don't you run assists per minutes played through your algorithm and see how that turns out.Garrymanilow said:
I think that your statistic about assists is incorrect. Apter has 1 assist for us this season. Campbell and Bree both have 3, Docherty has 2. Leaburn, Olaofe, Jones, Carey, Coventry, Dykes and Anderson all have 1 each along with Apter. So Apter has the fourth highest number of assists and in that he's level with 7 other players. It's not exactly a Kevin de Bruyne situation hereChar1t0n said:The fact he’s still our second-highest assist provider and top for big chances created, despite barely playing after August, says a lot about where we were lacking.
I’d rather lose 6-3 having actually gone for it than take a 4–0 drubbing to a local rival after giving up. At least then you can say there was intent.
If by algorithm you mean basic maths then based on Transfermarkt minutes which I don't think include injury time:Apter - 1 assist in 589 minutesTC - 3 assists in 2037 minutes (1 every 679 mins)Bree - 3 assists in 1675 minutes (1 every 558 mins)Docherty - 2 assists in 1556 minutes (1 every 778 mins)Karoy - 1 assist in 539 minutesDykes - 1 in 225 minutes (creative powerhouse)Unfortunately when you're dealing with a single assist it doesn't really tell you a great deal about productivity. It took Dykes 1 minute to get his first assist, if he'd crippled himself doing it and been subbed then he'd have statistically created a goal a minute, which is of course 90 assists a game. It took Apter 10 appearances to get his sole assist, though I think he deserved to get one off the back of his performance against Bristol City. It took Doc 8 games to get 2 assists which had him getting an assist every 357 minutes but then he didn't get another as he played on in the season. Karoy's assists per minute number is statistically better than Apter's but I don't think anyone is telling themselves Karoy is the more creative player, it's just he's got 1 assist and hasn't played that much. It doesn't take into account player role either; Lloyd Jones has 1 assist every 2,469 minutes but he's also a centre back. If Apter had played every game this season I suspect he would have got at least one more assist but we'll never know, he might have got 10 or he might have got none. Can't do a great deal with 1.4 -
The thing that confuses me about Apter is that he played in the game we won at Oxford as left wing back which we won and thought he played well.
Then the next game he was taken back out of the team. All very strange.4 -
But… we didn’t know this would happen? Not all transfers work out and we don’t have a crystal ball. They clearly thought Apter had the attacking ability to make the step up and they could coach the defensive side of the game into him. It didn’t quite work. That’s how it goes sometimes.kinveachyaddick said:
So why did we pay £2m for him when we only have a limited funds? Absolute madness21cws said:He’s a good player but he isn’t a wingback that is certain and I’ll be honest with you I don’t see the world beater everyone thinks. Didn’t really go at the defender when 1 vs 1. Weak and not the fastest. In league 1 yes but championship he definitely isn’t ready for3 -
Agree with this. Apter was a mystery of a signing as he is a complete misfit in a NJ side. He is an out and out winger who gets crosses into the box, creates chances, worries opposition defenders, increases our XG, but can’t defend. He has no place in an NJ side trying to play the beautiful game, being dangerous and creating all that excitement.Athletico Charlton said:Just a terrible signing. Didn't fit into our team structure at all and Blackpool fans said he had a bit of an attitude problem.
Jones isn't flexible on formation or attitude so this was always going to go wrong and should never have happened. Whoever bought him to the club was negligent.
I do wonder if him and Tantos clear u happiness with noises coming out tonight were pointed out to Jones by Doc who has then been binned as well.
If that is the case and there is disharmony in the dressing room we would have been way better spending whatever money we have, getting rid of Jones as there will be no coming back and it will get ugly.
I am not surprised he’s left, I’m just surprised at the level of shock and anger on CL. Have other fans not yet understood that with NJ as manager you have to accept this kind of decision, and the erratic, disharmonic character of the man? My immediate question to myself (again) is whether I would prefer to lose him or lose NJ. When NJ became manager @LargeAddick (one lifer bemoaning this departure in a post with many likes) said on CL that I didn’t like the appointment of NJ ’for some reason.’ Now you know.
Nevertheless I want NJ to stay. We’ve gone down this path and we have to stick to it. If we can put up with it and stay up for two seasons, we can then get a better manager in, that’s how I see it.0 -
Clearly fell out with Jones, understand hes the gaffer but at least replace him like for like or better, Jones also stated he doesn't like loans yet now we’re bringing them in0
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I don't think signing Apter to play RWB is as baffling as some are suggesting. Last season he played as a winger in a 442 rather than a 433, that drops your starting position about 15/20 yards further back the pitch. That means his positioning should have only needed little adaptation and NJ clearly thought Apter could learn to get stuck into tackles etc. It hasn't worked but the theory was there6
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It seems increasingly likely to me that either Jones has been a massive knob or Apter has. I'm open minded, but personally, even if it's Jones, if he manages to avoid relegation and the team can strengthen and go again next season, he's probably vindicated.D_Cafc said:Clearly fell out with Jones
That's harsh on Apter of course, but life is very often like that.
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