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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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It’s been a rough few months and today’s win doesn’t mean it’s over, but hopefully it convinces a lot of people that we have enough.
Jones is a brilliant manager who gets more than the sum of his parts. He’s not perfect and it’s completely fine to question him, but some of the stuff I’ve seen has been over the line - for me.The fans absolutely played their part today too; positivity in the ground is massive. Three big home games coming up. One decent run away from pulling clear of it all.18 -
That interview has got me me back in the Jones love camp 10000%
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This is probably the biggest factor in Jones management, both tactically and in terms of squad management etc - everything has to be JUST so, everything needs to come together in EXACTLY the right waycafc_se7 said:
And you almost put the wrong right by the time you got to the end of the comment! Having balance in his side is key to how we play, more so than any other team that requires it.TD_Addick said:Yes Jones got it spot on today when he has the players we are very compact and tough to beat, always creating chances as well. The frustration recently has been the questionable team selections, substitutions and players out of position. We had a balanced first 11 today I think for the 1st time since Blackburn at home.
When it does it works very well, but when one thing goes wrong it throws the entire system out of whack.0 -
Same here. I was never one who was calling for him to be sacked but i've been seriously questioning some of his tactics and team selections lately (even today). But that's a great interview and it really shows how much he cares for this club. Compared to the some of the jokers we've had managing us over the past decade or so, he's light years ahead of most of them.Croydon said:That interview has got me me back in the Jones love camp 10000%8 -
Which is why it was so silly to want him sacked for a run of games where he had no available left back.thenewbie said:
This is probably the biggest factor in Jones management, both tactically and in terms of squad management etc - everything has to be JUST so, everything needs to come together in EXACTLY the right waycafc_se7 said:
And you almost put the wrong right by the time you got to the end of the comment! Having balance in his side is key to how we play, more so than any other team that requires it.TD_Addick said:Yes Jones got it spot on today when he has the players we are very compact and tough to beat, always creating chances as well. The frustration recently has been the questionable team selections, substitutions and players out of position. We had a balanced first 11 today I think for the 1st time since Blackburn at home.
When it does it works very well, but when one thing goes wrong it throws the entire system out of whack.When he has the right players he’s always got results for us, our bad runs have been when he hasn’t had the players. We should be backing him all the way and hopefully next season we can reach a point where he’s always got the right players even if we are missing a few9 -
Broadly speaking I agree but I'm slightly less charitable to him personally given that such exactitude and perfectionism is entirely of his own volition and making. If he really does only have one real plan I'm not going to be overly sympathetic if the plan can be derailed so much, so easily.NabySarr said:
Which is why it was so silly to want him sacked for a run of games where he had no available left back.thenewbie said:
This is probably the biggest factor in Jones management, both tactically and in terms of squad management etc - everything has to be JUST so, everything needs to come together in EXACTLY the right waycafc_se7 said:
And you almost put the wrong right by the time you got to the end of the comment! Having balance in his side is key to how we play, more so than any other team that requires it.TD_Addick said:Yes Jones got it spot on today when he has the players we are very compact and tough to beat, always creating chances as well. The frustration recently has been the questionable team selections, substitutions and players out of position. We had a balanced first 11 today I think for the 1st time since Blackburn at home.
When it does it works very well, but when one thing goes wrong it throws the entire system out of whack.When he has the right players he’s always got results for us, our bad runs have been when he hasn’t had the players. We should be backing him all the way and hopefully next season we can reach a point where he’s always got the right players even if we are missing a few
He should be able to plan a bit better for unexpected injuries etc than having a formation/first 11 that changes every single time - he should have a plan B and not just hope plan A works all season, IMO.
I'm not Jones out and haven't been at any point this season but I do think his issues are his own problems as much as any amount of bad luck and he fully deserves a fair amount of criticism for some of the results/performances this season.
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After last week I think NJ has realised how much damage it did and how painful a defeat it was, he’s been clever in that interview and his demeanour after the game towards the fans, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s been the narrative all week with the players also. Almost like an apology without actually saying it, with what he said and the win today he’s got a lot of people onside again and I think he’s just endured the valley will be buzzing on Friday night, would be interested to know if he has realised that he was losing us himself a bit or if someone had a word?.4
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Think it's unfair to say he was being "clever" in that interview. Maybe I'm naive, but it felt natural and from the heart with everything he said, not just soundbites.Sword65pf said:After last week I think NJ has realised how much damage it did and how painful a defeat it was, he’s been clever in that interview and his demeanour after the game towards the fans, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s been the narrative all week with the players also. Almost like an apology without actually saying it, with what he said and the win today he’s got a lot of people onside again and I think he’s just endured the valley will be buzzing on Friday night, would be interested to know if he has realised that he was losing us himself a bit or if someone had a word?.
Also, he did apologise, multiple times for last week, and has put his hands up to it being unacceptable.15 -
Spot on.Covered End said:I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Jones gets things more right than wrong.
He's taken us from the despair of the Appleton fall out and lower L1 to where we are now.
We was always going to have a poor run at some point this season and so it proved.
But staying up was the target and I believe we will do it.
Then we hopefully have a good budget in the summer and kick on next season.10 -
It’s OK to be balanced. He’s not completely blameless for the run recently.NabySarr said:
Which is why it was so silly to want him sacked for a run of games where he had no available left back.thenewbie said:
This is probably the biggest factor in Jones management, both tactically and in terms of squad management etc - everything has to be JUST so, everything needs to come together in EXACTLY the right waycafc_se7 said:
And you almost put the wrong right by the time you got to the end of the comment! Having balance in his side is key to how we play, more so than any other team that requires it.TD_Addick said:Yes Jones got it spot on today when he has the players we are very compact and tough to beat, always creating chances as well. The frustration recently has been the questionable team selections, substitutions and players out of position. We had a balanced first 11 today I think for the 1st time since Blackburn at home.
When it does it works very well, but when one thing goes wrong it throws the entire system out of whack.When he has the right players he’s always got results for us, our bad runs have been when he hasn’t had the players. We should be backing him all the way and hopefully next season we can reach a point where he’s always got the right players even if we are missing a few4 -
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I wasn’t saying he was being clever in a synical way, I’m actually one that supports him, I think you have interpreted my post wrongly. But that’s fine you read it how you feel.stoneroses19 said:
Think it's unfair to say he was being "clever" in that interview. Maybe I'm naive, but it felt natural and from the heart with everything he said, not just soundbites.Sword65pf said:After last week I think NJ has realised how much damage it did and how painful a defeat it was, he’s been clever in that interview and his demeanour after the game towards the fans, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s been the narrative all week with the players also. Almost like an apology without actually saying it, with what he said and the win today he’s got a lot of people onside again and I think he’s just endured the valley will be buzzing on Friday night, would be interested to know if he has realised that he was losing us himself a bit or if someone had a word?.
Also, he did apologise, multiple times for last week, and has put his hands up to it being unacceptable.0 -
https://www.footballfancast.com/championship-news-charlton-leicester-west-brom-russell-martin-next-manager/
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Absolutely no way that’s true. Owners clearly aren’t sacking NJ even if we go down and our squad is the least suited to Russell Martin football I can imagineking addick said:https://www.footballfancast.com/championship-news-charlton-leicester-west-brom-russell-martin-next-manager/
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Fingers crossed for the other two!king addick said:https://www.footballfancast.com/championship-news-charlton-leicester-west-brom-russell-martin-next-manager/
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Bizarre article... Given that the club haven't ever really voiced concerns over Jones3
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Russell Martin mid-season for anyone would be a disaster. The most married to one style of play manager anywhere in the EFL. Leicester looks like being Rowett anyway and West Brom will probably give Ramsey a couple more games.1
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Absolute load of shit. Pure hypothesis with the usual "heard from sources." Probably written before the match then quickly rewritten a bit when we actually won.king addick said:https://www.footballfancast.com/championship-news-charlton-leicester-west-brom-russell-martin-next-manager/
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The kid should read some books, particularly Keith Peacocks' auto biography.J BLOCK said:
That kid has a bit of growing up to do.CafcSteve said:http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=2021741&u=https%3A//www.youtube.com/live/PL8R7mma3iE%3Fsi%3Dk1neW-vAo9EnPV-CSome insight on Jones from the 25th Minute.
In "No Substitute", Keith was assistant manager to Curbs, and Curbs made a point of not getting close to players, as it was his decision to sell, drop, or play players. So Keith was 'good cop' to Curbs' 'bad cop'. When Curbs called in players to tell them they'd been dropped, Keith was always in his office, to call them in, put an arm around their shoulder, console, encourage, etc...3 -
Been having my doubts over recent weeks and I think Jones does have so much belief in his way that sometimes he becomes blinkered. Having listened to that post match interview it’s absolutely obvious that the bloke really does care and I think last weeks result and performance really did hurt. He’s not alone with that. Hard not to like the bloke and I think that we might just be fine this season. Havnt felt that for a good few weeks. I don’t think there’s an atom of truth in the Russell Martin story.2
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Agree with this, needs to learn to be a bit more flexible going forward though when he doesn't have players to fit his rigid system.NabySarr said:
Which is why it was so silly to want him sacked for a run of games where he had no available left back.thenewbie said:
This is probably the biggest factor in Jones management, both tactically and in terms of squad management etc - everything has to be JUST so, everything needs to come together in EXACTLY the right waycafc_se7 said:
And you almost put the wrong right by the time you got to the end of the comment! Having balance in his side is key to how we play, more so than any other team that requires it.TD_Addick said:Yes Jones got it spot on today when he has the players we are very compact and tough to beat, always creating chances as well. The frustration recently has been the questionable team selections, substitutions and players out of position. We had a balanced first 11 today I think for the 1st time since Blackburn at home.
When it does it works very well, but when one thing goes wrong it throws the entire system out of whack.When he has the right players he’s always got results for us, our bad runs have been when he hasn’t had the players. We should be backing him all the way and hopefully next season we can reach a point where he’s always got the right players even if we are missing a few
Our 2nd win since november 4th shouldn't hide the fact that recruitment has been diabolical.1 -
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Well done Jones, thank f*ck for that result hope to god we now have a level of belief and togetherness to attack this crucial run in front of us!!paulsturgess said:I think there needs to be a clear and definitive showing at Leicester next week to demonstrate that the players are playing for him and he can organise and motivate them, otherwise with the series of games to follow in Feb a serious reflection needs to be had on what is best for us to approach those0 -
Being a fan is a rollercoaster. We’re all up at the moment after a very tough week, who knows how we will feel after QPR. Hopefully we can maintain level heads and some perspective throughout the highs and lows the rest of the season will bring.We’ve been through a lot over the last 15-20 years. I don’t know if I could name every manager we’ve had. What I do know is that Nathan Jones gets it; he properly cares about our club and feels every emotion we do. Some were annoyed about him saying he had a tougher day than us last week, but he had 17,000 telling him he’d be sacked in the morning. He also had nearly 3,000 Southampton fans goading him earlier in the year. Standing and taking that without the ability to respond is tough for anyone, especially a man as proud as him. To paraphrase an old saying, he can be a bit of a muppet … but he’s our muppet.7
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Dont post on here too much anymore. I'm always calling out the negative nellies who quite rightly have their own opinion, so I stopped.
It does look like the majority are keeping a calm head here which is great to see. That's the most stable I have seen the forum in a while.
We are still very much in the fight this season... and thats all that matters. Dont change anything.
The post about losing the dressing room seems a bit much though. Whoever fed that info must love misery because it's almost certainly a lie5 -
He'd never lost me but the fact he hadn't planned everything for the last month around last week's fixture and put out an experimental team was tipping me - that result and interview has got me eating out the palm of his hand again - genuinely think we can steamrole QPR on Friday under the lights - COYR !!!!!Sword65pf said:After last week I think NJ has realised how much damage it did and how painful a defeat it was, he’s been clever in that interview and his demeanour after the game towards the fans, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s been the narrative all week with the players also. Almost like an apology without actually saying it, with what he said and the win today he’s got a lot of people onside again and I think he’s just endured the valley will be buzzing on Friday night, would be interested to know if he has realised that he was losing us himself a bit or if someone had a word?.0 -
Just see I wrote endured, not ensured, funny how the wrong word is what happened against the scum!!😂DOUCHER said:
He'd never lost me but the fact he hadn't planned everything for the last month around last week's fixture and put out an experimental team was tipping me - that result and interview has got me eating out the palm of his hand again - genuinely think we can steamrole QPR on Friday under the lights - COYR !!!!!Sword65pf said:After last week I think NJ has realised how much damage it did and how painful a defeat it was, he’s been clever in that interview and his demeanour after the game towards the fans, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s been the narrative all week with the players also. Almost like an apology without actually saying it, with what he said and the win today he’s got a lot of people onside again and I think he’s just endured the valley will be buzzing on Friday night, would be interested to know if he has realised that he was losing us himself a bit or if someone had a word?.0 -
And this is why I am calling those of you who are concerned/want NJ out, out….your as mad as NJ himself if you honestly think someone like Russell Martin would do a better job than NJ!!king addick said:https://www.footballfancast.com/championship-news-charlton-leicester-west-brom-russell-martin-next-manager/
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Yeah exactly. When you go into any work setting there *is* slight sense of unease when the “big boss” comes in to the room, you want to make a good impression, look keen etc whilst trying to be relaxed, equally the “big boss” has to maintain some kind of emotional/personal distance from others. It’s why they say it’s lonely at the top. It does tend to generate a slightly stilted or awkward atmosphere.SteveACS said:
The kid should read some books, particularly Keith Peacocks' auto biography.J BLOCK said:
That kid has a bit of growing up to do.CafcSteve said:http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=2021741&u=https%3A//www.youtube.com/live/PL8R7mma3iE%3Fsi%3Dk1neW-vAo9EnPV-CSome insight on Jones from the 25th Minute.
In "No Substitute", Keith was assistant manager to Curbs, and Curbs made a point of not getting close to players, as it was his decision to sell, drop, or play players. So Keith was 'good cop' to Curbs' 'bad cop'. When Curbs called in players to tell them they'd been dropped, Keith was always in his office, to call them in, put an arm around their shoulder, console, encourage, etc...0
