Tyreece Campbell thread

Neil_Heaney said:

Yep TC gets both ends of the spectrum from our support. The Covered End keeps going with his song but I've hardly known anyone to get such personal abuse from individuals – and that's a constant thing in different parts of The Valley, at away games and on social media. 

My Kiwi mate came to a game and said he felt racial undertones to it, which I found very depressing as he's not one to bring up those sorts of discussions. I sense it's more of a body language thing which attracts his abuse, but suspect there's probably a minority who are more easily riled by a young black lad with dreads. Pretty grim in this day and age.

I am absolutely sure there are no racial undertones or overtones to this,

timken said:

Neil_Heaney said:

Yep TC gets both ends of the spectrum from our support. The Covered End keeps going with his song but I've hardly known anyone to get such personal abuse from individuals – and that's a constant thing in different parts of The Valley, at away games and on social media. 

My Kiwi mate came to a game and said he felt racial undertones to it, which I found very depressing as he's not one to bring up those sorts of discussions. I sense it's more of a body language thing which attracts his abuse, but suspect there's probably a minority who are more easily riled by a young black lad with dreads. Pretty grim in this day and age.

I am absolutely sure there are no racial undertones or overtones to this,

Good, really hope so.

fenaddick said:

This is really sweet, did the same celebration as his brother in the stands

https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/2021937926846685249?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw

You can just tell how extremely shy the lad is cant you 

AFKABartram said:

timken said:

Neil_Heaney said:

Yep TC gets both ends of the spectrum from our support. The Covered End keeps going with his song but I've hardly known anyone to get such personal abuse from individuals – and that's a constant thing in different parts of The Valley, at away games and on social media. 

My Kiwi mate came to a game and said he felt racial undertones to it, which I found very depressing as he's not one to bring up those sorts of discussions. I sense it's more of a body language thing which attracts his abuse, but suspect there's probably a minority who are more easily riled by a young black lad with dreads. Pretty grim in this day and age.

I am absolutely sure there are no racial undertones or overtones to this,

I agree, it’s been suggested on here before and it angers me tbh as I think it’s a lazy assumption. 

The worst abuse I’ve heard a Charlton player take in recent seasons is Alan Campbell, some of what was getting thrown his way at Lincoln away in particular was way OTT and unpleasant. Appleton got utter dogs abuse, Gillepsphey has had spells of getting it, at Millwall away the bloke infront of me spent all game screaming at Kaminski that he is a c***.  Hylton got a fair bit of abuse before becoming a bit of a joke / cult figure. Scott Fraser copped a load of abuse and look at the utter shit Charlie Kirk got. 

That’s just the last 2-3 seasons. 

It's just totally moronic to abuse your own players - hardly likely to make them play better. Kaminski gets a lot of abuse from some of our fans - gets called a c*** by several fans near me.

Morgan Fox and Simon Francis copped some of the worst abuse I've heard. Destroyed the confidence of Francis.

I'm sure the abuse affects sensitive players. We do have some stupid supporters...

CharltonManor1966 said:

Sword65pf said:

timken said:

Neil_Heaney said:

Yep TC gets both ends of the spectrum from our support. The Covered End keeps going with his song but I've hardly known anyone to get such personal abuse from individuals – and that's a constant thing in different parts of The Valley, at away games and on social media. 

My Kiwi mate came to a game and said he felt racial undertones to it, which I found very depressing as he's not one to bring up those sorts of discussions. I sense it's more of a body language thing which attracts his abuse, but suspect there's probably a minority who are more easily riled by a young black lad with dreads. Pretty grim in this day and age.

I am absolutely sure there are no racial undertones or overtones to this,

If it was racial, would the other black players not be getting abuse also? Where I sit I’ve not heard lots of personal abuse towards TC, moaning about his play yes most definitely. 

I sit in the West Upper, half way, and have never heard anything racist or even OTT towards TC other than the normal moans and groans that everyone gets when something goes wrong. If it happens then it is very poor.
I hope he kicks on from here I really do.......but........
My view FWIW is that he is what he is and always will be a frustrating player with loads of pace but is one dimentional, one footed and lacks a good football brain, can't tackle, can't head and has no real natural finishing ability despite what he did last night which was indeed very good.
I am not convinced that he can be coached enough to change things up very much going forward.
He will always be in and out of games, blow hot and cold and will probably be a 3/4 goal a year forward with very little to offer in the way of assists.
I don't hate him - far from it - he is one of our more exciting players - but let's not go OTT about him being a real future talent that could play in much better teams? As we progress at this level, TC will be no more than an occasional impact sub.
Apologies to many on here and all incoming pelters accepted and would love to be proved wrong as I often am.

This debate will continue for as long as he plays for us, The people that don’t rate him will use certain examples like the QPR cameo others will like today come out with the I told you so’s like he’s something fantastic after last night, what I actually think is it’s somewhere in the middle and people of either camp will swear blind they are right about him. For me like every  player that wears the shirt will ultimately get support which is how I think things should be, performance praise or criticism is fine, abuse is absolutely not fine, of which I have to say I’ve not experienced from my seat.

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

This is really sweet, did the same celebration as his brother in the stands

https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/2021937926846685249?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw

Appreciate this is a negative comment on an otherwise very positive thread today, but that video really shows what an embarrassing turn out we had in the stands last night. Shocking stuff for such a big game

I wanted to say the same in the post match but didn't want to be negative. This and the Pompey game are arguably our two biggest home games of the season and seems thousands would rather watch on Sky, I don't understand it myself!

Play him in an attacking position and he is able to express himself. If Jones continues to let him do that then things will go very well 

mendonca said:

It's worth watching the goal a few times. Their defender didn't slip - he simply got out-thought by TC on instinct. The defender Phillips expected and wanted him to run across him, no doubt to push him which is a good speciality of his.

Great instinctive play, TC. Match winner.

Watching the Brentford-Arsenal game, we may have overlooked the slippery, wet pitch in the analysis yesterday.

Raya nearly scored an own goal due to it. Some focus has been on TC's 'heavy touch' but he was sharp to realise that and use it to his advantage and bury it.

Good debate with Cawley who thinks he should now be used as first choice forward with Dykes.

brownbear said:

One of the factors with both Campbell and Leaburn, is that they have both been regular first teamers for four years now, and after a while the 'youngster' tag starts to wear a bit thin with some.

Older fans will remember a hapless Robert Lee getting dogs abuse against Luton at home in April 1987, as he fluffed chance after chance, in a critical game. If you'd said at that stage, that he'd go onto have the career he had, as well as play in a WC for England, you would have been committed to an asylum.

Let's hope both Tyrese and Miles fulfill their obvious potential, but there does come a point where the 'young player' protection umbrella starts to ring a little hollow for some.

I think where a lot of us were defending them and calling for patience is because although they’ve played plenty of games in their career for their age, they’d never played in the championship before this season. I think there were enough promising signs early season with both of them that if we were patient they would come good this season, but some fans were very quick to write them both off as not good enough for this level 

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

This is really sweet, did the same celebration as his brother in the stands

https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/2021937926846685249?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw

Appreciate this is a negative comment on an otherwise very positive thread today, but that video really shows what an embarrassing turn out we had in the stands last night. Shocking stuff for such a big game

One of my mates left Tewkesbury at 1.15pm and had to give up and turn for home at 6pm after both directions of the M25 were closed/partially closed.
He got home in time to see the last 10 mins of the game.

BenHaimandBikey said:

Without TC, this would be the most one-paced, uninspiring teams ever put together.

NJ is very lucky he came through the ranks.

Not starting him is bizarre. We can't afford to not have him on the field if we want to have any sort of attacking threat the other way and someone that defences are actually afraid of.

I think we're quite lucky that Jones came along when he did. Appleton completely destroyed TC's confidence by the end and I really was expecting him to leave at the end of his contract that season. Jones barely played him at all that first half season but saw something in him and gave him a contract extension when quite a lot of people on here would have happily seen him released. He bulked up a lot over the summer, no doubt at Jones' instruction, and was given a key role in the team from the start. I think he's fine coming off the bench, we created a lot against Stoke before he came on and we offer a lot more now that we have balance on the flanks

I don't think modern day players can be lazy. All their runs and distances travelled are monitored. That information is available to the manager so if a player doesn't put it in relative to is position, the manager would know and not pick him. What happens is players can struggle to get into a game often due to opponents preventing that. But TC in his last two games is a great example. Forget people slagging him off, we are going to have a lot of fans who don't understand football and we should just ignore them. 

Against QPR he was brought on as a wing back. The idea was that QPR would sit back for the draw and he woud effectively play as a winger. We also took off some of the bite in our midfield in the search for a goal. QPR to their credit went on the front foot which pushed TC back. They hadn't been on the front foot all game but it is a positive in that before the changes we prevented them doing so as their game plan was clearly not to sit back. Against Stoke TC was brought on as a forward player which turned out to be very effective. He didn't have defensive duties and that worked for us.

So the ignorants blame the player but in reality it is all about what the player is being asked to do. Of course players have good and bad games, when you are a player like TC you can come up against a player that suits you or one that doesn't. You can carry a knock that us fans are not aware off. But if you need/want to beat players and inject a bit of pace into the side, he offers something we don't have a lot of. He is a key player for us and an excellent prospect. I think bringing him on against a tiring opponent helps him so that is how I would play him out of preference. We also can start slowly quite often easing into the game so I think it helps his game when we are on the front foot.

He is not a wing back but has been asked to do a job there. It is never going to be a masterclass job but a get you through job. It is ridiculous to criticise him for this. And I think it will benefit his game in the long run playing out of position but some need to cut him some slack.

MuttleyCAFC said:

I don't think modern day players can be lazy. All their runs and distances travelled are monitored. That information is available to the manager so if a player doesn't put it in relative to is position, the manager would know and not pick him. What happens is players can struggle to get into a game often due to opponents preventing that. But TC in his last two games is a great example. Forget people slagging him off, we are going to have a lot of fans who don't understand football and we should just ignore them. 

Against QPR he was brought on as a wing back. The idea was that QPR would sit back for the draw and he woud effectively play as a winger. We also took off some of the bite in our midfield in the search for a goal. QPR to their credit went on the front foot which pushed TC back. They hadn't been on the front foot all game but it is a positive in that before the changes we prevented them doing so as their game plan was clearly not to sit back. Against Stoke TC was brought on as a forward player which turned out to be very effective. He didn't have defensive duties and that worked for us.

So the ignorants blame the player but in reality it is all about what the player is being asked to do. Of course players have good and bad games, when you are a player like TC you can come up against a player that suits you or one that doesn't. You can carry a knock that us fans are not aware off. But if you need/want to beat players and inject a bit of pace into the side, he offers something we don't have a lot of. He is a key player for us and an excellent prospect. I think bringing him on against a tiring opponent helps him so that is how I would play him out of preference. We also can start slowly quite often easing into the game so I think it helps his game when we are on the front foot.

He is not a wing back but has been asked to do a job there. It is never going to be a masterclass job but a get you through job. It is ridiculous to criticise him for this. And I think it will benefit his game in the long run playing out of position but some need to cut him some slack.

So anyone who disagrees with you as respects TC just doen't understand football then Mutters? Great argument mate!