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  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,241
    fenaddick said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Scoham said:
    On the criticism there’s also an element of some fans having unrealistic expectations of pacey wingers. Their pace means they don’t need to poach and finish like Godden, or pass and cross like Andy Reid (struggling for a recent example).

    TC has created chances for himself and others at this level which shows his potential, it’s up to him to either make that jump for that to result in more end product, or in time fall back to L1 where he showed last season he can.

    If he had a great cross, eye for a pass and was a natural goalscorer he’d have left us years ago.

    There’s been talk on here of Azeez at Millwall being worth an 8 figure fee, he’s 2 years older than TC. Last season he played a similar number of minutes in the league to TC so far this season, in that time both scored 2 goals, Azeez had 5 assists to TCs 2, however assists rely on players taking those chances - Azeez created 26 chances, TC 28. It shows how wingers can still improve at that age.

    It’s true that TC has made over 100 appearances and is 22, but that’s still young enough to improve, especially with this being his first Championship season, in a team who don’t see much of the ball, and having spent a big chunk of his minutes playing as a wing back.

    For an example within our squad, Carey recently turned 25 and is in his third Championship season. He’s already scored more league goals this season than those first two Championship seasons combined.
    This is exactly the situation, but people are putting criticism of performance with abusing the fella, they are two different things. TC Has bundles of potential but at the moment it’s harder for him in the championship, there is frustration that he hasn’t improved on basics that would make him a top player, don’t think that’s unfair to say. All this lay off him he might do better is IMO is a bit soft, he knows more than any of us the football environment and how to deal with it.
    I think what a lot of your arguments don't factor in is that although you may only criticse his performance, lots of other people go a lot further and do stray into abuse. No one is saying you abuse him because we don't know you. What we're saying is that plenty of people do hear him being abused and that will always cut through to a human more than having your name chanted. It is much more personal
    This happens in all walks of life, I’m not saying it’s acceptable but in football it’s on a different level and these players are fully aware and trained to deal with these aspects of the game in academies. As I’ve said and it’s getting overlooked for the sake of the narrative, maybe rewatch the game and listen to the home crowd when he came on and tell me that was abuse. 
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,342
    edited February 10
    Hope to see him starting up top/wide with Chambers at LWB at some point soon

    That should get the best out of him.... and if we can get Clark bombing down the right, too, then we have our 24/25 tactic resurrected 


    Did against Millwall, didn't work obvs.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,241
    edited February 10
    Sword65pf said:
    Sword65pf said:
    10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.

    He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now. 

    Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role. 

    I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor. 
    The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productive  
    He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.
    Right on cue. 'Toughen up' is always the response because doing the logical thing and thinking about how different forms of feedback affect different people is more thought and work than just doing the same thing and abusing the player. Maybe if he was a different person he would use the criticism as fuel but he isn't and he doesn't. He obviously can stomach criticism, he's been getting it since the 23/24 season but the point isn't that he can't handle any criticism, it's that it's not productive. We have a whole team of players who can improve on their weaknesses but don't get a shred of the grief Campbell does. Case in point, he had a 15 minute cameo where he was ineffective on Friday and the disproportionate amount of focus and criticism he has received for it is insane. There's been pages on it in the thread that was started specifically to criticise him. People had full on conniptions in January about Apter (1 goal, 1 assist) and Olaofe (1 goal, 1 assist) being allowed to leave after failing to impact the first team, Apter's refusal to track and put his foot in completely ignored in favour of the fact they've seen him cross the ball before. And yet without fail the response to 'why can't people see that this individual could do with a bit more support to likely see the best from him?' is 'maybe if you did better we wouldn't abuse you so much'. I dunno, it's obviously fighting a losing battle trying to get people to apply that basic level of thought to being a supporter but it's just bizarre to see.
    It wasn’t his 1st poor performance and yes he needs to toughen up, whether you like that opinion or not that’s up to you but it is an opinion that people are free to express. For the record my criticism is performance based only and I will praise him accordingly, you shouldn’t tar people with the same brush, I have never abused him personally that doesn’t go hand in hand with criticism. It seems if people don’t think the same as you, they are wrong.
    I don't think he needs to toughen up. I don't think he's going to fundamentally change as a person, that's yet again an example of fans deciding players need to be a certain way and not being able to allow them to deviate from it. You seem to have made this all about you now though which is quite weird and will stifle any discussion, we disagree and we were having a conversation about it. No-one has said you can't express your opinion, people just might not always agree with it, that's how these forums work. Calm down.
    Where am I in any way not calm?, and how am I making it about me?, you seem to have made it about me, which is strange. I was explaining my stance as you seemed to be of the opinion I may be one to abuse him. You seem to be taking the moral high ground, maybe you should calm down.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,901
    People said he didn’t acknowledge the fans at Birmingham away. Yet here he is.


  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,850
    10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.

    He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now. 

    Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role. 

    I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor. 
     He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support  
    His song has been one of the most repeated and loudest sung by own fanbase in the last 18 months. Half our players don’t even have any song about them, of those that do, Tyreece’s is by far one of the most popular (which he’s never acknowledged btw, but he’s shy so that’s ok).

    Of course there has been frustration and individual comments, that par the course, but by and large there has been excellent support and encouragement for him as well. 
    The song is fun and it's a popular one at the moment copied from other teams which is part of its use. We started singing it when he was the exciting bright spark last season and he still gets it now when he does something explosive, which is nice. I think he has had very good support as well, I'm not saying it's all been grief but I'm sure you've also heard and seen on here that fans can turn very quickly with him and the point is that the negative responses seem to affect him more than others. He's not alone in that, Lloyd Jones was a shaking wreck halfway through the Appleton season because his confidence had dropped so low and you could feel the negative air around him that affected his decision making, the result being that he made more mistakes. I think that's true with TC at times, he's not taking on his man as much and he's playing safe, which isn't his strength because he's good at beating a man but oddly poor at short simple passes which is something that fans really jump on. It's a bit of a vicious cycle. TC is one of the few who has his own song but also how many other players of ours have threads that were created specifically to complain about them being picked? There's been criticism of Kaminski, Ramsay, Kelman, Docherty and plenty of others but I don't remember them being targeted so specifically. I think the extremes of response affect his game at times and that's a shame
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,493
    Sword65pf said:
    10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.

    He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now. 

    Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role. 

    I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor. 
    The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productive  
    He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.
    'We are going to do and say whatever we want and if he doesn't like it, that's his problem, not ours'.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 45,058
    Spare a thought for TC, a young flair winger trying to do his best often out of position - in an NJ attrition gameplan that doesn't play wingers.

    He sacrifices much of his natural game in playing to his manager's instructions.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,241
    Stig said:
    Sword65pf said:
    10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.

    He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now. 

    Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role. 

    I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor. 
    The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productive  
    He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.
    'We are going to do and say whatever we want and if he doesn't like it, that's his problem, not ours'.
    That’s not been said at all,It’s about opinion,if on  the next time I meet TC was to say to him I thought he’d played shit, which I actually wouldn’t as I’m more polite than that, however if I did and he replied by telling me to F off and I don’t know what I’m talking about that would be fair enough it’s his opinion. I’m pretty sure he’s not  as soft as people are making him out to be, Infact he probably couldn’t give a flying fuck about any of our opinions, because he knows it’s part of what he is involved in.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,107
    He gets far more support than he gets abuse imo.

    The thing a lot of fans find frustrating with him is that he doesn't seem to be improving. 
    I know the championship is a lot tougher than league one but he has to learn to adapt. 
    It's not as if he's a 17 or 18 year old just breaking into the team, he's 22 years old and has well over 100 appearances over the past few seasons. 
    I fully understand how some fans get frustrated watching him ,but I also agree giving him abuse is not doing him any good 
    I don’t think that’s fair. He’s improving but we’ve gone up a level so it’s not really seen. If he’d been in league 1 this season I think he would have been tearing it up but the championship is obviously a huge jump. 

    Look at Kelman, 20+ goals in league 1 but in the championship he’s finding things a lot tougher. The fact TC is not looking too different at this level to how he did in league 1 is probably a sign that he has actually improved a lot 

    I also think we’d have seen more improvement if he’d not had to fill in at wing back for the last few months. If he’d instead spent the whole season playing in that attacking role then it would have been a lot easier for him to develop 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,240
    Oggy Red said:
    Spare a thought for TC, a young flair winger trying to do his best often out of position - in an NJ attrition gameplan that doesn't play wingers.

    He sacrifices much of his natural game in playing to his manager's instructions.
    I think Campbell's problem is that (some) people seem to be completely missing that Campbell is playing in a completely different role and at a higher level.

    He gets criticized for not beating players and sending in laser accurate crosses or scoring goals when he's been tasked with defending against more experienced wingers in a role he has not experienced before this season.

    He's learning the defensive side of the role pretty much as he goes, he will probably end up a better player for it eventually but it's a tough process and there seems very little grace given for the fact he is a young player playing at the highest level of his career so far.

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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 45,058
    Also what @thenewbie said above.

    Several of our players have been struggling with the the the step up to the Championship, not just TC. 
    Some are now better players for the experience, particularly Lloyd Jones and Miles Leaburn.

    I'll include TC in that too, as NJ has made him a much better 'off the ball' team player.

    If he's not currently permitted to play his natural position, playing different positions will eventually only improve his game, and make him a much more complete player.

    Work in progress.


  • Hope to see him starting up top/wide with Chambers at LWB at some point soon

    That should get the best out of him.... and if we can get Clark bombing down the right, too, then we have our 24/25 tactic resurrected 


    Did against Millwall, didn't work obvs.
    Didn’t it? We actually looked quite dangerous and creating chances then.

    we’ll look back at starting TC (a striker) at LWB in horror in years to come. 
  • elbiglad
    elbiglad Posts: 94
    Most young players blow hot and cold. Forwards go through purple patches and droughts. Wingers can drift in and out of form multiple times in a season. On top of that, TC has a lot of things working against him. There is no clear natural role for him in this team and NJ's tactics don't suit his playing style. He has worked diligently to try and carve out a role. He's played out of position more often than not this season. Even when he does play 'in position' it's as a pressing striker rather than a winger / inside forward. 

    Those that are defending TC are not saying he is immune to criticism or that he is going to be a global superstar. Merely they are pointing out that he is a young player - albeit with decent experience at a lower level - playing at a higher level than ever before that deserves patience and support. 

    For a fanbase that is so proud of its academy, I have always felt we are very quick to write off players that come through that aren't destined for the top, top level. Quicker than we are with players that aren't academy graduates. For example, it was clear that Albie Morgan wasn't going to be Scott Parker but I always felt he was very harshly treated.

    Give him some more time. Every other week most opposing fans say he was our best player. Nathan Jones loves him.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,552
    thenewbie said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Spare a thought for TC, a young flair winger trying to do his best often out of position - in an NJ attrition gameplan that doesn't play wingers.

    He sacrifices much of his natural game in playing to his manager's instructions.
    I think Campbell's problem is that (some) people seem to be completely missing that Campbell is playing in a completely different role and at a higher level.

    He gets criticized for not beating players and sending in laser accurate crosses or scoring goals when he's been tasked with defending against more experienced wingers in a role he has not experienced before this season.

    He's learning the defensive side of the role pretty much as he goes, he will probably end up a better player for it eventually but it's a tough process and there seems very little grace given for the fact he is a young player playing at the highest level of his career so far.
    I think that’s a fair challenge but before he was pulled upon to play deeper, it’s was notable when playing as part of the top triangle  there was a very low return for goals and assists. Outcomes are key. 

    His first half v Millwall is a good example of where he played positively in that advanced role, it didn’t deliver any positive outcomes, but the fans could still see his impact, resulting with them voting him out clear MOM but half a point. There was no negative bias shown there.

    When he got into those similar final third areas on Friday that was just not the case. And that’s been the case a fair bit this season. As said previously, he needs to add more consistency imo. 
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,071
    Sword65pf said:
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    Sword65pf said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Scoham said:
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    He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 
    Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.
    Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?

    As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.

    In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.
    Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism. 

    Not seeking to dig you out here, but given your recent comments that he doesn’t do the basics right and isn’t even a great League 1 winger, I’m really struggling to see how you are “always rooting for him”. Could you highlight a post or several showing this because I’m afraid I’ve missed them? 
    Don’t care if you are digging me out or not, however, when at games I sing his name and encourage him when playing in the shirt, that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on his quality of play. If he has done well I would say so on here, I don’t need to justify my opinion to strangers on a forum.my opinion is he isn’t at the level required in the championship and that is showing by him being benched.Hope  that is understandable for you. 
    Wow. Way to answer a reasonably worded question. 
    How about fuck off!!
    Gotta love keyboard warriors.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,241
    edited February 10
    Major said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Major said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Sword65pf said:
    Scoham said:
    Sword65pf said:
    He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 
    Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.
    Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?

    As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.

    In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.
    Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism. 

    Not seeking to dig you out here, but given your recent comments that he doesn’t do the basics right and isn’t even a great League 1 winger, I’m really struggling to see how you are “always rooting for him”. Could you highlight a post or several showing this because I’m afraid I’ve missed them? 
    Don’t care if you are digging me out or not, however, when at games I sing his name and encourage him when playing in the shirt, that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on his quality of play. If he has done well I would say so on here, I don’t need to justify my opinion to strangers on a forum.my opinion is he isn’t at the level required in the championship and that is showing by him being benched.Hope  that is understandable for you. 
    Wow. Way to answer a reasonably worded question. 
    How about fuck off!!
    Gotta love keyboard warriors.
    Says the the person trying to call someone out😂😂Love you too❤️
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,339
    People said he didn’t acknowledge the fans at Birmingham away. Yet here he is.


    Here he is doing what? Doesn’t look like clapping, more like rubbing his hands together to keep warm.
  • Rather than anti TC bias etc, I sense a great deal of frustration from fans, who know how much talent he processes, who so badly want to see him succeed for the sake of the team, but who, 90% of the time, end up being disappointed with his output .

    Being an elite footballer isn't just about what you can do with your feet, it also requires having a strength of character.

    It is a high profile entertainment business, where the "stage" is the football pitch with a live audience of 20k and possibly millions more watching on TV or online.

    Modern day players have to be able to handle that aspect, and if they can't, they should probably look for another job.
    They need to be mentally tough, take the criticism, and use it as an incentive to better themselves.

    For someone like TC, this aspect wouldn't come naturally, he would require behind the scenes support from the Coaches, NJ, teammates, etc.
     
    IMO, TC could not be at a better club in terms of a tolerant and understanding fan base. He has a manager who has put more faith in him, than probably any other player in the squad.

    He needs to somehow get his head in the right place, as he did for a few seconds v Derby, stop being fearful, take players on and then deliver something meaningful.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,170
    We had a better winger but never played him . Now he’s a Bolton . Strange decision 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,493
    edited February 10
    People said he didn’t acknowledge the fans at Birmingham away. Yet here he is.


    Here he is doing what? Doesn’t look like clapping, more like rubbing his hands together to keep warm.
    Yeah, and Ramsay is wearing an oven glove, has he been doing some home baking instead of playing properly? Carey isn't looking at the fans, the disrespectful b'stard. There are at least three people in that picture with long strides, the bunch of namby-pamby southern softies. Meanwhile, Joe Rankin-Costello is actually busy doing 'Here's the Church, here's the steeple'. No wonder we're at the bottom end of the table with such pathetic crowd appreciation, they all need to work on that a lot harder!

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  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 617
    People said he didn’t acknowledge the fans at Birmingham away. Yet here he is.


    Here he is doing what? Doesn’t look like clapping, more like rubbing his hands together to keep warm.
    You nailed it. Clearly not clapping, just warming his hands to keep warm and insult the fans. A bad apple. And who is that hanging back behind the coaches? Find out and stick him in the bomb squad as well.

    What a contrast with Good Ol' Gilly leading the way. Make him captain and double his wages.
  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,741
    A okish typical winger being held back by a stubborn manager.  When he played on the wing a couple of seasons ago I didn't really think he would be good enough, however he intially improved when he bulked up. Did ok when played up front because he drifted out wide more but since we have got to the championship he hasn't looked particulary good up front, strugging to create and score. He has then been asked to play a LWB far too much and Jones is pretty much ruining him. You can see he is uncomfortable defending almost frightened to put his foot in in case he gets clattered. Not ideal but most attacking wingers are the same.  

    I've said for the last couple of years we need another winger or 2 so we can change our formation to 4-3-3 especially when were chasing a game.  I think TC is such a marmite player because a lot of fans can see he is not quite good enough, however he is the only winger we have who can run forwards with the ball and be an attacking outlet and when you have nothing else like that he instantly looks good.  

    I have a feeling Apter would have been a better player then TC but was never given a chance up top or on the wing not his fault that's on the manager.  I dont know if TC will ever kick on but he is currently being let down being asked to play in a defensive roll.

  • Addicksi
    Addicksi Posts: 99
    Nice lad it seems, willing to try anything he's asked. Doesn't fit anywhere in  how we play and in my opinion unbalances us. Would have massively benefited from a league 1 loan this season in a team playing 3 up front, but we didn't have the resources to let him go. 
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,069
    10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.

    He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now. 

    Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role. 

    I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor. 
     He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support  
    His song has been one of the most repeated and loudest sung by own fanbase in the last 18 months. Half our players don’t even have any song about them, of those that do, Tyreece’s is by far one of the most popular (which he’s never acknowledged btw, but he’s shy so that’s ok).

    Of course there has been frustration and individual comments, that par the course, but by and large there has been excellent support and encouragement for him as well. 
    This may not be what you mean boss but when the samba rhythm song was starting to be sung to TC there was a debate on here about whether it was intrinsically racist to sing a samba song about a black player which was only silenced when TC came out and said in one of his rare interviews how much he liked it and how it made him play better (or something like that). So i would say he has acknowledged the song and the support even if not that it is one of the most popularly sung. 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,552
    It wasn’t a debate, it was one poster, and it was ended when it was highlighted a number of white players it was also sung to
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,069
    Pretty sure TC also commented on how much he liked it but could be wrong, havent checked. 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,552
    Pretty sure TC also commented on how much he liked it but could be wrong, havent checked. 
    I’ve no idea mate but if Terry or Charlotte says a loaded question to him ‘you must love hearing the fans singing your name’ I’m not expecting any other response than yeah it’s great 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 15,679
    Pretty sure TC also commented on how much he liked it but could be wrong, havent checked. 
    I’ve no idea mate but if Terry or Charlotte says a loaded question to him ‘you must love hearing the fans singing your name’ I’m not expecting any other response than yeah it’s great 
    Would be hilarious if one day a player turned around and said “I’d prefer something more original and lyrically complex”
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,493
    fenaddick said:
    Pretty sure TC also commented on how much he liked it but could be wrong, havent checked. 
    I’ve no idea mate but if Terry or Charlotte says a loaded question to him ‘you must love hearing the fans singing your name’ I’m not expecting any other response than yeah it’s great 
    Would be hilarious if one day a player turned around and said “I’d prefer something more original and lyrically complex”
    I would love that to happen.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,901
    fenaddick said:
    Pretty sure TC also commented on how much he liked it but could be wrong, havent checked. 
    I’ve no idea mate but if Terry or Charlotte says a loaded question to him ‘you must love hearing the fans singing your name’ I’m not expecting any other response than yeah it’s great 
    Would be hilarious if one day a player turned around and said “I’d prefer something more original and lyrically complex”
    If you check the programme from last season with TC profile, he certainly has an alternative taste in music!