Tyreece Campbell thread

Making_all_the_noise

TC maybe isn't the perfect player for an NJ team but even NJ fully understands we need him as an outlet. You can't always measure a player by goals and assists. What TC does is offer us something no one else does. He can beat a man, he does have pace, he can put the opposition on the back foot. Without him, we're basically reduced to the long ball and no one to take the pressure off our defence and put it on the opposition. 

He works incredibly hard, he's very physically weak and he is clearly not a LWB. If you put TC in a side who dominate possession, have a coherent attack, overlapping full backs and threats across the pitch, I reckon he'd be one of the best attacking wide men in the Championship. Last season he struggled until Small came in the team and stretched the opposition across both flanks. That second half of the season, our attack was transformed, TC had more space and he was very threatening for several months. Now we're back to attacking down one flank or lobbing it to Leaburn. The opposition know TC is the threat, often double up on him, he regularly has no real support from his team mates. He's also a victim of his superior skills to his team mates. Not just they, but also the fans think he'll produce magic every time he gets the ball. Everyone is excited when he gets the ball and then moans when he hasn't cut inside past three players and curled it into the bottom corner. We know he can do that but when he's the sole focus of our attack, it makes it a lot harder for him. The fans do not carry the same lofty expectations when any other player in our team gets the ball because we know their limitations. TC is constantly criticised because everyone thinks he should be carrying this team.

Put him in a good team and I'm sure he's be excellent.

Sword65pf

Making_all_the_noise said:

TC maybe isn't the perfect player for an NJ team but even NJ fully understands we need him as an outlet. You can't always measure a player by goals and assists. What TC does is offer us something no one else does. He can beat a man, he does have pace, he can put the opposition on the back foot. Without him, we're basically reduced to the long ball and no one to take the pressure off our defence and put it on the opposition. 

He works incredibly hard, he's very physically weak and he is clearly not a LWB. If you put TC in a side who dominate possession, have a coherent attack, overlapping full backs and threats across the pitch, I reckon he'd be one of the best attacking wide men in the Championship. Last season he struggled until Small came in the team and stretched the opposition across both flanks. That second half of the season, our attack was transformed, TC had more space and he was very threatening for several months. Now we're back to attacking down one flank or lobbing it to Leaburn. The opposition know TC is the threat, often double up on him, he regularly has no real support from his team mates. He's also a victim of his superior skills to his team mates. Not just they, but also the fans think he'll produce magic every time he gets the ball. Everyone is excited when he gets the ball and then moans when he hasn't cut inside past three players and curled it into the bottom corner. We know he can do that but when he's the sole focus of our attack, it makes it a lot harder for him. The fans do not carry the same lofty expectations when any other player in our team gets the ball because we know their limitations. TC is constantly criticised because everyone thinks he should be carrying this team.

Put him in a good team and I'm sure he's be excellent.

He would good in a good team at times,not excellent, he doesn’t do a lot of the basics you expect from a winger either good enough or consistent enough, 

Nicholas

Crispywood said:

Nicholas said:

No idea why we cant just play a back 5 of 

Bree  Burke  Jones  Gillesphie and Bell at wing back, he did fine there when he played there.  Yes Gillesphie is shit but least its a back 5 of defenders.  

TC needs to be kept away from defence. He is a winger not a defender not a striker but a winger. Jones doesn't like wingers so he shouldnt be playing him in this formation.

Well considering Macca put in a generational stinker and Bell is a huge injury risk, when he does play wingback because of the workload and if he gets injured it’s TC and Macca on the left that should answer the question 

Burke's always a huge injury risk whatever position he plays so by that logic he should never play again. 

The back 5 I have mentioned is our strongest back 5 we have at the minute. Now Burke is gone again he should play Gough there but he wont he would rather move Bell there and make the defence even more lopsided and all over the place then what it already is.

mendonca

From the sharp super‑sub appearances recently where he came on to score and assist (key points were won), my guess is that his confidence will be pretty low once we strengthen the squad and push him further towards his natural position. 

I feel for TC having to play LWB in the Championship, let alone in his first season. 

NabySarr

Nicholas said:

Crispywood said:

Nicholas said:

No idea why we cant just play a back 5 of 

Bree  Burke  Jones  Gillesphie and Bell at wing back, he did fine there when he played there.  Yes Gillesphie is shit but least its a back 5 of defenders.  

TC needs to be kept away from defence. He is a winger not a defender not a striker but a winger. Jones doesn't like wingers so he shouldnt be playing him in this formation.

Well considering Macca put in a generational stinker and Bell is a huge injury risk, when he does play wingback because of the workload and if he gets injured it’s TC and Macca on the left that should answer the question 

Burke's always a huge injury risk whatever position he plays so by that logic he should never play again. 

The back 5 I have mentioned is our strongest back 5 we have at the minute. Now Burke is gone again he should play Gough there but he wont he would rather move Bell there and make the defence even more lopsided and all over the place then what it already is.

Bell can’t play wing back or he will just get injured again. The back 5 you mentioned has Bree and Bell at wing back, the Norwich game showed that is not enough attacking threat from wide areas. It worked alright earlier in the season because we had TC up front so he would be the threat from the left rather than Bell

Until we have a new LWB or Edwards back, we need to play either TC, Apter or Fullah there and with Bell (not Gillesphey!) behind them at LCB. That means if Burke is injured then Gough has to play or bring Zach Mitchell back to play there until we have a new CB or Ramsay/Burke back 

Steven81

superclive98 said:

Steven81 said:

Hydeaddick said:

Could any of the Campbell fan club point out anything positive he has done during the first half. Really losing patience with him. It’s like playing with 10 players. 

Playing with 10 men what a load of bollocks.

You're probably right. With Berry also starting it was like having 9 players!

Berry shouldn't be starting at all agreed,runs around pulling everyone's shirt 2 yards off the pace every game.

JustFloydRoad

I said to my mate in the pub yesterday- I fear he is the new C.Solly (a youth player being made to play LWB). What is worse with Campbell is he is not a defender.

arthur

I thought he played really well against Chelsea. Up against a £50m winger and for the first 30 minutes Chelsea thought he was the weak link defensively as they focussed most of their attacks that way. He was asked to do a job by NJ, sit deep and defend and he did it pretty well considering many deem him incapable of such things. Then after a set piece he found himself up against Garnacho but TC got the better of him a few times which was good fun! Well done lad! I hope he isn't injured and maybe it was cramp he was struggling with.

In normal league games if he is playing LWB, him getting "caught" up pitch is how we set up as a team and it's down to the rest of the team to cover for that and for TC to get back as quickly as possible. 

drawnablank

I said it before and this recent stint covering at LWB has made me even more sure that converting him to a striker has wasted 18 months of specific development. I actually feel a bit sorry for him. 

At LWB he has found himself high and wide in a few attacking moments, has drawn in the FB in, knocked it past and opened up the option to deliver. 

I feel he would have benefitted more from 18 months of finding different ways of getting in behind, working on double movements, really learning the triggers for wide scenarios and the variation of delivery. 

He’s not the smartest footballer so giving him a smaller range of options to master, that work to his strengths rather than his weaknesses (finishing) would surely have had him in a better position than he is in. 

The system doesn’t suit him, he’s not got the composure to finish, he’s not got the brain game to play inside or the defensive ability to play LWB. 

arthur

drawnablank said:

I said it before and this recent stint covering at LWB has made me even more sure that converting him to a striker has wasted 18 months of specific development. I actually feel a bit sorry for him. 

At LWB he has found himself high and wide in a few attacking moments, has drawn in the FB in, knocked it past and opened up the option to deliver. 

I feel he would have benefitted more from 18 months of finding different ways of getting in behind, working on double movements, really learning the triggers for wide scenarios and the variation of delivery. 

He’s not the smartest footballer so giving him a smaller range of options to master, that work to his strengths rather than his weaknesses (finishing) would surely have had him in a better position than he is in. 

The system doesn’t suit him, he’s not got the composure to finish, he’s not got the brain game to play inside or the defensive ability to play LWB. 

I know what you mean about the striker thing, it could have been a waste of time. Maybe 18 months of learning to be an attacking LWB as you say he could also have been improving defensively too. He can defend ok for an attacking player so maybe teaching him to defend better would have been a better option than trying to turn him into a genuine forward player.

NabySarr

drawnablank said:

I said it before and this recent stint covering at LWB has made me even more sure that converting him to a striker has wasted 18 months of specific development. I actually feel a bit sorry for him. 

At LWB he has found himself high and wide in a few attacking moments, has drawn in the FB in, knocked it past and opened up the option to deliver. 

I feel he would have benefitted more from 18 months of finding different ways of getting in behind, working on double movements, really learning the triggers for wide scenarios and the variation of delivery. 

He’s not the smartest footballer so giving him a smaller range of options to master, that work to his strengths rather than his weaknesses (finishing) would surely have had him in a better position than he is in. 

The system doesn’t suit him, he’s not got the composure to finish, he’s not got the brain game to play inside or the defensive ability to play LWB. 

Looking at the first 6 months of last season I think you might be right, but since then he’s basically been playing as a winger in possession for the second half of last season and the early part of this season. 

I also think although he’s not developed as much as we might have hoped with the ball. There were definitely signs he was developing towards the end of last season, but going up a level means that development is less visible now because the championship is a lot tougher. I think the purple patch he had towards the end of last season would have been a lot more consistent this season if he’d have been in league 1 again. I think he’d have put up some good numbers. 

I think overall though TC has absolutely transformed over the last 2 years so it’s definitely not a wasted 18 months. Out of possession he was a liability 2 years ago, whereas now it’s one of the main reasons he gets picked. Maybe Jones isn’t the coach to get TC to the next level with the ball, but without the ball he’s unrecognisable vs the TC of a couple of years ago. 

As for his future with us. It’s definitely uncertain, the rest of this season could see him going back to the hybrid LW/ST role, maybe more from the bench than starting now we have a Kelman-Leaburn partnership that looks promising. Or he could continue to be used at LWB, if we get the balance of the team right behind him it can definitely work and end up with him being more like a winger in possession. Personally I think it will be a bit of both, probably from the bench a bit more than he has been in this half of the season 

Long term, I think there’s a decent chance someone comes in and buys TC over the next year or so. If he goes to a team that plays 4-3-3 with a manager that can unlock a bit more from him with the ball, then combining that with what Jones has developed in him out of possession, he could be some player. Out of possession is so important these days so I think this 2 years under Jones was needed rather than wasted, but for the next step it is a shame but it might be better for him to leave us 

VanbrughHill

Every time I watch TC play I find it confusing. You can see there is a player in there but needs some very close coaching on wing play. Every opposition team we play seem to double up on him but yet most of our fans don’t seem to share the same opinion. For me, he is best in a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 where he has the protection of a full-back behind him and allows him to be a natural winger. Playing him at LWB is just outright stupidity. He doesn’t have the physicality to be there. But I would almost guarantee he’d become a better player if he played in a team suited to the formations above.

LargeAddick

Whatever position you are playing you shouldn’t be misplacing so many passes. Except for the first minute he came on he was awful last night.

Alwaysneil

Definitely best in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system. Also given all the oppo seem to need to double up on him it helps to have other players who can exploit the space left behind, which we don't do enough. 

sam3110

Doubled up or not, like I said last night, he wasn't in the right positions once he came on, dawdling back in our half when we were attacking (2 or 3 times it broke to the left wing from an attack and he wasn't in that area to pick up the second ball) and then a couple of times when it broke down and they launched a long ball to their right wing, he was inexplicably up the field, a good 20 yards out of position. 

Couple that with poor touches and passes, and seemingly picking the wrong option everytime, and he just looked completely lost out there, but to compound it all he walks about when not in possession with his head down and just an overall negative demeanor. I'm not saying he should be perfectly happy and smiling at all times whilst playing, but that negative body language is picked up on by the crowd

JustFloydRoad

He isn't a LWB, but a winger. Seems we want one thing and Nathan wants something else.

You felt it when he came on (didn't win any balls) and is poor airily. The alternative is bringing on Macca and putting Bell there (risking a fault from Macca or an injury from Bell)

The loan players will keep us in the division (if we stay up), but we need a serious look at our weaknesses in the summer.

I'm not TC out, I just feel he is being utilized wrong. 

AndyG

I really want TC to be a success but he really isn’t stepping up this season and is miles off it. He doesn’t seem to want to push forward and most of the time stops, checks back and passes backwards. Maybe that’s instructions but whatever it is it’s not a good look

Covered End

AndyG said:

I really want TC to be a success but he really isn’t stepping up this season and is miles off it. He doesn’t seem to want to push forward and most of the time stops, checks back and passes backwards. Maybe that’s instructions but whatever it is it’s not a good look

Hmm, I'm wondering if the reason could be that "defence first" Nathan Jones told TC not to push too far forward?

He was forced into asking TC, once again, to play out of position at wing back and we didn't want to get hit on the break and lose the game as we were clearly flagging at that point.

Crispywood

Think it’s one of those good player wrong system similar with Kelman Apter etc. We could definitely do more to get more out of him but better to sacrifice one player than sacrifice four or five others for his sake. 

fenaddick

At this point in his development he struggles when we’re under the pump against quality Championship sides. If we were in L1 still I think he would have double figures goals + assists. He looked dangerous playing up front against Millwall with Chambers at LWB as there was another threat for the opposition RB. He doesn’t yet have the skills or confidence to take a game by the scruff of its neck on his own, but with more space afforded to him he is still dangerous 

AberystwythAddick

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

Sword65pf

AberystwythAddick said:

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.

Stig

AberystwythAddick said:

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

I kind of get the frustration, because having a defensive role doesn't necessarily play to his strengths. I don't think he needs to be at another club though, even though I think he'd be far better playing as a proper winger with the freedom to do what wingers do.

He's a quick learner and I actually think, despite other peoples' misgivings, that he's taken to defending better than we might have hoped. I also think it may be particularly useful to his development. When he does get the opportunity to play in an attacking role, he'll be able to think about all the stuff he didn't like dealing with as a defender and put it into action.   

Scoham

Sword65pf said:

AberystwythAddick said:

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.

Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?

As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.

In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.

Swisdom

Frankly i'm bored of the TC out" narrative being spouted by many fans in the ground and on here and other social media.

How many players do we have that get people off their seat.  That create a buzz.  

We have precious few exciting players and precious little pace but TC has both.  He's young, played out of position frequently,  and stepped up into one of the toughest leagues in the world so forgive him for not looking like a world beater just yet.

get behind him and maybe consider he is being told to play cautiously

It speaks for itself that he is doubled-up on EVERY game so opposition teams clearly identify him as a threat too.

Sword65pf

Scoham said:

Sword65pf said:

AberystwythAddick said:

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.

Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?

As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.

In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.

Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism. 

Sword65pf

Swisdom said:

Frankly i'm bored of the TC out" narrative being spouted by many fans in the ground and on here and other social media.

How many players do we have that get people off their seat.  That create a buzz.  

We have precious few exciting players and precious little pace but TC has both.  He's young, played out of position frequently,  and stepped up into one of the toughest leagues in the world so forgive him for not looking like a world beater just yet.

get behind him and maybe consider he is being told to play cautiously

It speaks for itself that he is doubled-up on EVERY game so opposition teams clearly identify him as a threat too.

I don’t think everyone is saying TC out, more so, he needs to step up again and be better at the basics. 

fenlandaddick

One of the few players that scare the shit out of every opposing team. If not doubled up on, then trippled. If he moved elsewhere would be a real loss. Still learning but a real asset and exciting to watch. Frustrating as well sometimes, but for his first season in the Championship does not look out of place and is adjusting well. 

AndyG

fenlandaddick said:

One of the few players that scare the shit out of every opposing team. If not doubled up on, then trippled. If he moved elsewhere would be a real loss. Still learning but a real asset and exciting to watch. Frustrating as well sometimes, but for his first season in the Championship does not look out of place and is adjusting well. 

Again this isn’t meant as a slight towards the lad but I really don’t think he scares the shit out of anyone ! More a case of teams knew he is out only outlet (before this window) and if they stop him we are no threat. He is another example of an academy player getting uber defended by our fanbase and portrayed as something he at the moment isn’t. Hopefully he will develop but how many championship teams would he be a starter in ?? Honest answers only lol

NabySarr

Swisdom said:

Frankly i'm bored of the TC out" narrative being spouted by many fans in the ground and on here and other social media.

How many players do we have that get people off their seat.  That create a buzz.  

We have precious few exciting players and precious little pace but TC has both.  He's young, played out of position frequently,  and stepped up into one of the toughest leagues in the world so forgive him for not looking like a world beater just yet.

get behind him and maybe consider he is being told to play cautiously

It speaks for itself that he is doubled-up on EVERY game so opposition teams clearly identify him as a threat too.

And would probably have half the championship after him if he was available, but I’m sure our fans know better than all of their recruitment teams…