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Tyreece Campbell thread
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I do wonder if we'll be fielding bids for him in the summer and someone at this level will back themselves to play him as an out and out winger and get his production up. Friday night was an absolute stinker from him though.1
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Yet all his goals come when cutting in from the left. Even when he was playing up front and got the ball on the right he didn’t look dangerousTomCAFC said:He’s right footed, I know it’s in vogue to have right footers on the left and vice versa but he never looks comfortable out on the left. Surely he’d be better utilised on the right? He’d not have to cut back inside every single time and could actually get to the byline and sling a few crosses in.
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Honestly think it could be the best thing for all parties. If our plan is continue to move towards a traditional 3-5-2 in the mould of NJ’s Luton team then TC isn’t a natural fit like he is when we play the hybrid setup.MarcusH26 said:I do wonder if we'll be fielding bids for him in the summer and someone at this level will back themselves to play him as an out and out winger and get his production up. Friday night was an absolute stinker from him though.Jones has made TC a good player without the ball that will run and press all game. He needs to start unlocking more in the final third and tbh I’m not sure we are the right club to help him do that. Would be sad to see him go but it might be the best for everyone, we get a good fee to reinvest and TC finds a championship club that plays 4-3-3 and gets him the ball in the final third more often than we do1 -
I wouldn't even know what you'd be looking at as a fee for someone like TC but completely agree that I could see it happening with a side that's a 433NabySarr said:
Honestly think it could be the best thing for all parties. If our plan is continue to move towards a traditional 3-5-2 in the mould of NJ’s Luton team then TC isn’t a natural fit like he is when we play the hybrid setup.MarcusH26 said:I do wonder if we'll be fielding bids for him in the summer and someone at this level will back themselves to play him as an out and out winger and get his production up. Friday night was an absolute stinker from him though.Jones has made TC a good player without the ball that will run and press all game. He needs to start unlocking more in the final third and tbh I’m not sure we are the right club to help him do that. Would be sad to see him go but it might be the best for everyone, we get a good fee to reinvest and TC finds a championship club that plays 4-3-3 and gets him the ball in the final third more often than we do0 -
With all due respect, of course his goals come when cutting in from the left. But the numbers don’t paint a good picture do they. He has some attributes that should make him a decent player but sadly he just isn’t.fenaddick said:
Yet all his goals come when cutting in from the left. Even when he was playing up front and got the ball on the right he didn’t look dangerousTomCAFC said:He’s right footed, I know it’s in vogue to have right footers on the left and vice versa but he never looks comfortable out on the left. Surely he’d be better utilised on the right? He’d not have to cut back inside every single time and could actually get to the byline and sling a few crosses in.3 -
Hope to see him starting up top/wide with Chambers at LWB at some point soon
That should get the best out of him.... and if we can get Clark bombing down the right, too, then we have our 24/25 tactic resurrected
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Forgotten the goal against Derby already?EastbourneAddick said:TC is a such a frustrating player that we cannot afford to have in the team right now.
Promises so much but unfortunately consistently delivers NOTHING.6 -
I wouldn’t want him to leave, he’s from the academy and that I think counts for a lot in terms of culture and understanding what this club is about. As said I think he would work better in a more attacking free flowing team than ours currently. The current system is at a disservice to him. I don’t really think that’s anyone’s fault, Jones should not compromise his vision for any single player that we currently have.
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I think that is a very unfair post. Perhaps you are confusing me with another poster? I would say that I am more positive than 80% of the posters here. I could name at least a dozen regular posters who are never happy, whatever the team or management do. Why do you not turn your anger on them?fenaddick said:
597 posts and I'm willing to bet less than 10% of them have anything positive to say about the club you "support"wolfgang said:With Ramsay out of form and Godden struggling to get fit, Campbell is one of our only two entertaining players (the other being Bell). Jones is our most valuable player, but more admirable than entertaining. I suppose Docherty and Berry have occasional comic value.
I am hoping for a few laughs and thrills from Sichenje.
In particular, I have been a stalwart supporter of TC, who is the subject of this thread.0 -
Possibly and if so I apologise. But it’s also unfair to say I don’t call out the negativity of others when it’s something I do on quite a regular basiswolfgang said:
I think that is a very unfair post. Perhaps you are confusing me with another poster? I would say that I am more positive than 80% of the posters here. I could name at least a dozen regular posters who are never happy, whatever the team or management do. Why do you not turn your anger on them?fenaddick said:
597 posts and I'm willing to bet less than 10% of them have anything positive to say about the club you "support"wolfgang said:With Ramsay out of form and Godden struggling to get fit, Campbell is one of our only two entertaining players (the other being Bell). Jones is our most valuable player, but more admirable than entertaining. I suppose Docherty and Berry have occasional comic value.
I am hoping for a few laughs and thrills from Sichenje.
In particular, I have been a stalwart supporter of TC, who is the subject of this thread.1 -
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I’m sure if TC fails to make his mark / deliver his potential with us, some of our supporters will genuinely believe it was the fault of other supporters2
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He is an out and put winger who's best position is the left side of a 4-3-3. Would put him on up top of we are defending a lead and need someone to run around and close people down and get us up the pitch, but he is not a left wing-back, and looks crap there as it isn't his position6
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How much will it cost to bring in someone else of his quality and what wages will he want? Considering his age would be silly to get rid of him. He is one of our own1
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Wow. Way to answer a reasonably worded question.Sword65pf said:
Don’t care if you are digging me out or not, however, when at games I sing his name and encourage him when playing in the shirt, that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on his quality of play. If he has done well I would say so on here, I don’t need to justify my opinion to strangers on a forum.my opinion is he isn’t at the level required in the championship and that is showing by him being benched.Hope that is understandable for you.Weegie Addick said:Sword65pf said:
Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism.Scoham said:
Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?Sword65pf said:
Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.AberystwythAddick said:He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself.
As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.
Not seeking to dig you out here, but given your recent comments that he doesn’t do the basics right and isn’t even a great League 1 winger, I’m really struggling to see how you are “always rooting for him”. Could you highlight a post or several showing this because I’m afraid I’ve missed them?1 -
Would not be surprised if Millwall come in for him, just to rub our noses in it.1
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How about fuck off!!Major said:
Wow. Way to answer a reasonably worded question.Sword65pf said:
Don’t care if you are digging me out or not, however, when at games I sing his name and encourage him when playing in the shirt, that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on his quality of play. If he has done well I would say so on here, I don’t need to justify my opinion to strangers on a forum.my opinion is he isn’t at the level required in the championship and that is showing by him being benched.Hope that is understandable for you.Weegie Addick said:Sword65pf said:
Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism.Scoham said:
Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?Sword65pf said:
Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.AberystwythAddick said:He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself.
As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.
Not seeking to dig you out here, but given your recent comments that he doesn’t do the basics right and isn’t even a great League 1 winger, I’m really struggling to see how you are “always rooting for him”. Could you highlight a post or several showing this because I’m afraid I’ve missed them?2 -
10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.8 -
I wonder if rather than laziness it's his confidence or self belief that sometimes hinders him - if he finds things aren't quite coming off he goes into a shell somewhat instead of doubling down and going again.
I have a lot of sympathy for him on a personal level - in a new position in a higher league and with a notoriously demanding and perfectionist manager, and only 22 years old. That's not necessarily to "excuse" anything but I think a few expectations need to be tempered honestly.5 -
The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productiveAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.16 -
He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.Garrymanilow said:
The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productiveAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.0 -
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Right on cue. 'Toughen up' is always the response because doing the logical thing and thinking about how different forms of feedback affect different people is more thought and work than just doing the same thing and abusing the player. Maybe if he was a different person he would use the criticism as fuel but he isn't and he doesn't. He obviously can stomach criticism, he's been getting it since the 23/24 season but the point isn't that he can't handle any criticism, it's that it's not productive. We have a whole team of players who can improve on their weaknesses but don't get a shred of the grief Campbell does. Case in point, he had a 15 minute cameo where he was ineffective on Friday and the disproportionate amount of focus and criticism he has received for it is insane. There's been pages on it in the thread that was started specifically to criticise him. People had full on conniptions in January about Apter (1 goal, 1 assist) and Olaofe (1 goal, 1 assist) being allowed to leave after failing to impact the first team, Apter's refusal to track and put his foot in completely ignored in favour of the fact they've seen him cross the ball before. And yet without fail the response to 'why can't people see that this individual could do with a bit more support to likely see the best from him?' is 'maybe if you did better we wouldn't abuse you so much'. I dunno, it's obviously fighting a losing battle trying to get people to apply that basic level of thought to being a supporter but it's just bizarre to see.Sword65pf said:
He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.Garrymanilow said:
The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productiveAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.16 -
On the criticism there’s also an element of some fans having unrealistic expectations of pacey wingers. Their pace means they don’t need to poach and finish like Godden, or pass and cross like Andy Reid (struggling for a recent example).
TC has created chances for himself and others at this level which shows his potential, it’s up to him to either make that jump for that to result in more end product, or in time fall back to L1 where he showed last season he can.
If he had a great cross, eye for a pass and was a natural goalscorer he’d have left us years ago.
There’s been talk on here of Azeez at Millwall being worth an 8 figure fee, he’s 2 years older than TC. Last season he played a similar number of minutes in the league to TC so far this season, in that time both scored 2 goals, Azeez had 5 assists to TCs 2, however assists rely on players taking those chances - Azeez created 26 chances, TC 28. It shows how wingers can still improve at that age.
It’s true that TC has made over 100 appearances and is 22, but that’s still young enough to improve, especially with this being his first Championship season, in a team who don’t see much of the ball, and having spent a big chunk of his minutes playing as a wing back.
For an example within our squad, Carey recently turned 25 and is in his third Championship season. He’s already scored more league goals this season than those first two Championship seasons combined.11 -
It wasn’t his 1st poor performance and yes he needs to toughen up, whether you like that opinion or not that’s up to you but it is an opinion that people are free to express. For the record my criticism is performance based only and I will praise him accordingly, you shouldn’t tar people with the same brush, I have never abused him personally that doesn’t go hand in hand with criticism. It seems if people don’t think the same as you, they are wrong.Garrymanilow said:
Right on cue. 'Toughen up' is always the response because doing the logical thing and thinking about how different forms of feedback affect different people is more thought and work than just doing the same thing and abusing the player. Maybe if he was a different person he would use the criticism as fuel but he isn't and he doesn't. He obviously can stomach criticism, he's been getting it since the 23/24 season but the point isn't that he can't handle any criticism, it's that it's not productive. We have a whole team of players who can improve on their weaknesses but don't get a shred of the grief Campbell does. Case in point, he had a 15 minute cameo where he was ineffective on Friday and the disproportionate amount of focus and criticism he has received for it is insane. There's been pages on it in the thread that was started specifically to criticise him. People had full on conniptions in January about Apter (1 goal, 1 assist) and Olaofe (1 goal, 1 assist) being allowed to leave after failing to impact the first team, Apter's refusal to track and put his foot in completely ignored in favour of the fact they've seen him cross the ball before. And yet without fail the response to 'why can't people see that this individual could do with a bit more support to likely see the best from him?' is 'maybe if you did better we wouldn't abuse you so much'. I dunno, it's obviously fighting a losing battle trying to get people to apply that basic level of thought to being a supporter but it's just bizarre to see.Sword65pf said:
He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.Garrymanilow said:
The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productiveAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.2 -
This is exactly the situation, but people are putting criticism of performance with abusing the fella, they are two different things. TC Has bundles of potential but at the moment it’s harder for him in the championship, there is frustration that he hasn’t improved on basics that would make him a top player, don’t think that’s unfair to say. All this lay off him he might do better is IMO is a bit soft, he knows more than any of us the football environment and how to deal with it.Scoham said:On the criticism there’s also an element of some fans having unrealistic expectations of pacey wingers. Their pace means they don’t need to poach and finish like Godden, or pass and cross like Andy Reid (struggling for a recent example).
TC has created chances for himself and others at this level which shows his potential, it’s up to him to either make that jump for that to result in more end product, or in time fall back to L1 where he showed last season he can.
If he had a great cross, eye for a pass and was a natural goalscorer he’d have left us years ago.
There’s been talk on here of Azeez at Millwall being worth an 8 figure fee, he’s 2 years older than TC. Last season he played a similar number of minutes in the league to TC so far this season, in that time both scored 2 goals, Azeez had 5 assists to TCs 2, however assists rely on players taking those chances - Azeez created 26 chances, TC 28. It shows how wingers can still improve at that age.
It’s true that TC has made over 100 appearances and is 22, but that’s still young enough to improve, especially with this being his first Championship season, in a team who don’t see much of the ball, and having spent a big chunk of his minutes playing as a wing back.
For an example within our squad, Carey recently turned 25 and is in his third Championship season. He’s already scored more league goals this season than those first two Championship seasons combined.0 -
I think what a lot of your arguments don't factor in is that although you may only criticse his performance, lots of other people go a lot further and do stray into abuse. No one is saying you abuse him because we don't know you. What we're saying is that plenty of people do hear him being abused and that will always cut through to a human more than having your name chanted. It is much more personalSword65pf said:
This is exactly the situation, but people are putting criticism of performance with abusing the fella, they are two different things. TC Has bundles of potential but at the moment it’s harder for him in the championship, there is frustration that he hasn’t improved on basics that would make him a top player, don’t think that’s unfair to say. All this lay off him he might do better is IMO is a bit soft, he knows more than any of us the football environment and how to deal with it.Scoham said:On the criticism there’s also an element of some fans having unrealistic expectations of pacey wingers. Their pace means they don’t need to poach and finish like Godden, or pass and cross like Andy Reid (struggling for a recent example).
TC has created chances for himself and others at this level which shows his potential, it’s up to him to either make that jump for that to result in more end product, or in time fall back to L1 where he showed last season he can.
If he had a great cross, eye for a pass and was a natural goalscorer he’d have left us years ago.
There’s been talk on here of Azeez at Millwall being worth an 8 figure fee, he’s 2 years older than TC. Last season he played a similar number of minutes in the league to TC so far this season, in that time both scored 2 goals, Azeez had 5 assists to TCs 2, however assists rely on players taking those chances - Azeez created 26 chances, TC 28. It shows how wingers can still improve at that age.
It’s true that TC has made over 100 appearances and is 22, but that’s still young enough to improve, especially with this being his first Championship season, in a team who don’t see much of the ball, and having spent a big chunk of his minutes playing as a wing back.
For an example within our squad, Carey recently turned 25 and is in his third Championship season. He’s already scored more league goals this season than those first two Championship seasons combined.6 -
His song has been one of the most repeated and loudest sung by own fanbase in the last 18 months. Half our players don’t even have any song about them, of those that do, Tyreece’s is by far one of the most popular (which he’s never acknowledged btw, but he’s shy so that’s ok).Garrymanilow said:
He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and supportAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.
Of course there has been frustration and individual comments, that par the course, but by and large there has been excellent support and encouragement for him as well.5 -
I don't think he needs to toughen up. I don't think he's going to fundamentally change as a person, that's yet again an example of fans deciding players need to be a certain way and not being able to allow them to deviate from it. You seem to have made this all about you now though which is quite weird and will stifle any discussion, we disagree and we were having a conversation about it. No-one has said you can't express your opinion, people just might not always agree with it, that's how these forums work. Calm down.Sword65pf said:
It wasn’t his 1st poor performance and yes he needs to toughen up, whether you like that opinion or not that’s up to you but it is an opinion that people are free to express. For the record my criticism is performance based only and I will praise him accordingly, you shouldn’t tar people with the same brush, I have never abused him personally that doesn’t go hand in hand with criticism. It seems if people don’t think the same as you, they are wrong.Garrymanilow said:
Right on cue. 'Toughen up' is always the response because doing the logical thing and thinking about how different forms of feedback affect different people is more thought and work than just doing the same thing and abusing the player. Maybe if he was a different person he would use the criticism as fuel but he isn't and he doesn't. He obviously can stomach criticism, he's been getting it since the 23/24 season but the point isn't that he can't handle any criticism, it's that it's not productive. We have a whole team of players who can improve on their weaknesses but don't get a shred of the grief Campbell does. Case in point, he had a 15 minute cameo where he was ineffective on Friday and the disproportionate amount of focus and criticism he has received for it is insane. There's been pages on it in the thread that was started specifically to criticise him. People had full on conniptions in January about Apter (1 goal, 1 assist) and Olaofe (1 goal, 1 assist) being allowed to leave after failing to impact the first team, Apter's refusal to track and put his foot in completely ignored in favour of the fact they've seen him cross the ball before. And yet without fail the response to 'why can't people see that this individual could do with a bit more support to likely see the best from him?' is 'maybe if you did better we wouldn't abuse you so much'. I dunno, it's obviously fighting a losing battle trying to get people to apply that basic level of thought to being a supporter but it's just bizarre to see.Sword65pf said:
He’s played over 100 1st team games, not 10, if the crowd are effecting him like you say he’s really not going to get a lot further if he can’t stomach criticism, maybe he needs to toughen up and use the criticism as fuel rather than get bogged down by it, if that is what’s happening, which I’m not certain that is the case. Improve on his weaknesses and he will get less criticism. As I said before he was getting plenty of backing when he came on against QPR, so don’t know what his excuse was for the way he played?.Garrymanilow said:
The thing is his body language is heavily based around the fact he's a very shy young man who clearly retreats into himself when things aren't going his way. He's not arrogant, he's not a big celebrator and he's very quiet and uncomfortable in interviews. That's so clear but what I find crazy is that instead of fans recognising that about him they see him being withdrawn and target him even more for grief. There is no denying that Campbell gets much more vocal criticism at games and a fair bit more on here and it's just crazy to me. He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and support, or at least less immediate jumping on his back and the team in turn would likely benefit but instead fans decide he's not running around right and give him both barrels the minute he does something they don't like. It's just counter-productiveAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.3 -
You're right but it's human nature to focus on 10 negative people shouting abuse at you than thousands singing your praise. Obviously we have never existed on that level but negatives always stick around longer than positivesAFKABartram said:
His song has been one of the most repeated and loudest sung by own fanbase in the last 18 months. Half our players don’t even have any song about them, of those that do, Tyreece’s is by far one of the most popular (which he’s never acknowledged btw, but he’s shy so that’s ok).Garrymanilow said:
He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and supportAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.
Of course there has been frustration and individual comments, that par the course, but by and large there has been excellent support and encouragement for him as well.1 -
He'll have to learn to get used to thatfenaddick said:
You're right but it's human nature to focus on 10 negative people shouting abuse at you than thousands singing your praise. Obviously we have never existed on that level but negatives always stick around longer than positivesAFKABartram said:
His song has been one of the most repeated and loudest sung by own fanbase in the last 18 months. Half our players don’t even have any song about them, of those that do, Tyreece’s is by far one of the most popular (which he’s never acknowledged btw, but he’s shy so that’s ok).Garrymanilow said:
He'd clearly benefit from a bit more love and supportAFKABartram said:10 mins into second half I said we really needed TC to come on if we want to win this game. Sadly he did come on, and just wasn’t with it that night.
He has the tools, physique and short-distance speed to be a very good player and he has shown it in glimpses, but it really does now need to be seen more regularly now. He’s 4 years and 140 games into a pro career now.Having to play a little deeper this season I don’t think has helped him, but it’s not a completely different position and players need to have some degree of versatility, particularly as a traditional winger is pretty much no longer a role.
I don’t agree at all with those who say he is lazy, but I can understand why they think that. His body language at times is really poor.
Of course there has been frustration and individual comments, that par the course, but by and large there has been excellent support and encouragement for him as well.1 -
He gets far more support than he gets abuse imo.
The thing a lot of fans find frustrating with him is that he doesn't seem to be improving.
I know the championship is a lot tougher than league one but he has to learn to adapt.
It's not as if he's a 17 or 18 year old just breaking into the team, he's 22 years old and has well over 100 appearances over the past few seasons.
I fully understand how some fans get frustrated watching him ,but I also agree giving him abuse is not doing him any good1
