++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

kinveachyaddick · February 22

The finish against Oxford showed him at his best - good movement in the box and a great early finish with minimal back lift.

But as others have mentioned ad nauseam we don’t/can’t play to his strengths.

Plenty said that when his arrival was announced which makes it a very strange signjng.

MarcusH26 · February 22

I think there's a player there but I just don't get where he fits in? Just doesn't seem like the prototypical Nathan Jones type striker. Being in and out the side won't help things either, looks like someone that needs a run of games to form a partnership but with the way Dykes has looked and with Leaburn back fit I don't really know how that's going to happen.

Also needs to be around the 6 yard box all the time for crosses , Clarke and Chambers will pick him out but his movement does sometimes baffle me.

fenaddick · February 22

For me it’s fairly clear that we didn’t think we could afford a striker in the NJ style and so bought two hoping to train at least one of them into that striker. It hasn’t worked, yet. I’m not writing him off yet, I hope having a pre season will help us get the best of him

Diebythesword · February 22

He’s a good footballer and a great finisher. With better players around him and better football he’d score shedloads. However we’re in a relegation scrap and our game plan is hoof the ball up to Leaburn and/or dykes and hope for the best.

cantersaddick · February 22

I think accusing him of being lazy yesterday is well... lazy.

He came on when the game was open and did a lot of pressing and covering. He popped up at right back a couple of times covering the overlap. I'm not his biggest fan and you can criticise his output, decision making and effectiveness and question whether he's right for the way we play, but I don't think it's fair to say he was lazy yesterday.

paulsturgess · February 22

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

ProperCharlton said:

Really disappointed in him TBH. Need to start seeing a lot more or can see him being sent back to L1 next season if we stay up.

I think we’ll see most players we signed last summer move on if we stay up.

Wouldn’t be suprised to see the likes of Kelman, Knibbs, Olaofe & Apter all move on.

In light of so many players struggling to step up from L1, we’ll definitely look for players with significant championship experience (Bell, Coady, Clarke, Dykes types etc) or foreign based players going forward.

The strategy of buying the best from L1 hasn’t worked (massive difference in quality between the two leagues).

you say that but Jones, Ramsay, Edwards prior to his injury are those things and have been very important to our season , + carey

Like with any direction of recruitment, it’s possible but relies on the correct judgement and you can get a lot right but a lot wrong

Addick Addict · February 22

I've said it before but the reason we've not scored more than one goal in a game in 20 of our last 22 matches (19 goals in total) is because our forwards are feeding on scraps the whole time. Kelman and Carey both have four each and TC has three but the likes of Leaburn and Dykes have one of those goals from 21 starts between them.

It's hopeless using Kelman as that sole man up top so we have to change the system if we want to get the best out of him or we just resign ourselves to scoring less than a goal a game and rely solely on those clean sheets.

EugenesAxe · February 22

Addick Addict said:

I've said it before but the reason we've not scored more than one goal in a game in 20 of our last 22 matches (19 goals in total) is because our forwards are feeding on scraps the whole time. Kelman and Carey both have four each and TC has three but the likes of Leaburn and Dykes have one of those goals from 21 starts between them.

It's hopeless using Kelman as that sole man up top so we have to change the system if we want to get the best out of him or we just resign ourselves to scoring less than a goal a game and rely solely on those clean sheets.

Careys got 8 hasn't he?

Crispywood · February 22

Addick Addict said:

I've said it before but the reason we've not scored more than one goal in a game in 20 of our last 22 matches (19 goals in total) is because our forwards are feeding on scraps the whole time. Kelman and Carey both have four each and TC has three but the likes of Leaburn and Dykes have one of those goals from 21 starts between them.

It's hopeless using Kelman as that sole man up top so we have to change the system if we want to get the best out of him or we just resign ourselves to scoring less than a goal a game and rely solely on those clean sheets.

Obviously wouldn’t expect our forwards to bag 15-20 a season with the service but they have had more than what their numbers reflect. Carey and TC (w zero end product) the only players we have who actively look to score goals and especially Carey’s good movement positioning and hunger to score is why he’s bagged 8 from midfield I don’t see any other of our forwards who have that

Addick Addict · February 22

EugenesAxe said:

Addick Addict said:

I've said it before but the reason we've not scored more than one goal in a game in 20 of our last 22 matches (19 goals in total) is because our forwards are feeding on scraps the whole time. Kelman and Carey both have four each and TC has three but the likes of Leaburn and Dykes have one of those goals from 21 starts between them.

It's hopeless using Kelman as that sole man up top so we have to change the system if we want to get the best out of him or we just resign ourselves to scoring less than a goal a game and rely solely on those clean sheets.

Careys got 8 hasn't he?

Carey isn't playing with his back to goal the whole time with two people marking him. The vast majority of his goals have been coming late onto the ball and/or strikes from outside the box. How many times do we play a ball between the CBs and FBs for one of our forwards to run onto? How many decent crosses do we deliver in the course of the game (like the one Dykes scored from)?

As I say we've scored 19 goals in the last 22 matches. And Carey has had a lot more game time than Kelman:

Kelman - 4
Carey - 4
TC - 3
Knibbs - 2
Dykes - 1
Jones - 1
Rankin-Cotello - 1
Berry - 1
Fevrier - 1
OG - 1
Leaburn - 0

All the evidence shows that the way we are set up is an issue that affects all our forwards. If that isn't the case then how come Leaburn and Dykes have managed just two goals this season between them from 24 starts?

Addick Addict · February 22

If we want one really more damning figure, so far as how we are set up is concerned, we have scored just 18 goals from open play and counter-attacks all season in 33 matches - that's barely one every other game. And it's not as if we can say that we have been missing chance after chance either.

EugenesAxe · February 22

Addick Addict said:

If we want one really more damning figure, so far as how we are set up is concerned, we have scored just 18 goals from open play and counter-attacks all season in 33 matches - that's barely one every other game. And it's not as if we can say that we have been missing chance after chance either.

completely agree

Addick Addict · February 22

EugenesAxe said:

Addick Addict said:

I've said it before but the reason we've not scored more than one goal in a game in 20 of our last 22 matches (19 goals in total) is because our forwards are feeding on scraps the whole time. Kelman and Carey both have four each and TC has three but the likes of Leaburn and Dykes have one of those goals from 21 starts between them.

It's hopeless using Kelman as that sole man up top so we have to change the system if we want to get the best out of him or we just resign ourselves to scoring less than a goal a game and rely solely on those clean sheets.

Careys got 8 hasn't he?

That stat of 4 goals was in those previous 22 games during which time we failed to score twice or more in 20 matches.

Clem_Snide · February 22

Feel sorry for him TBH.

20mins here and there is not doing him any favours. He was starting to show some form and settle into his role in the team and promptly got injured.

Haven’t read the whole thread, and am
sure others have already said it, but we simply don’t create enough chances for our forwards.

A striker will struggle if no one is giving him the ball in dangerous areas.

Croydon · February 22

fenaddick said:

That counter where TC/Miles/Carey would have driven forward but he checked back was criminal, gave away a chance to put the defence under pressure and get a goal/free kick/corner

I didn't get this at all. He could have gone towards the corner if he wanted to run down the clock. Stopping dead where he did achieved absolutely nothing.

Crispywood · February 22

Clem_Snide said:

Feel sorry for him TBH.

20mins here and there is not doing him any favours. He was starting to show some form and settle into his role in the team and promptly got injured.

Haven’t read the whole thread, and am
sure others have already said it, but we simply don’t create enough chances for our forwards.

A striker will struggle if no one is giving him the ball in dangerous areas.

We’re not doing him any favours but he’s not doing himself any favours either. If you at least give a good cameo you’re giving yourself a good chance to get a start but he gives defenders such an easy job handling him

Addick Addict · February 22

Addick Addict said:

If we want one really more damning figure, so far as how we are set up is concerned, we have scored just 18 goals from open play and counter-attacks all season in 33 matches - that's barely one every other game. And it's not as if we can say that we have been missing chance after chance either.

Only the bottom two, Sheffield Wednesday and Oxford have scored less goals from open play.

fenaddick · February 22

Crispywood said:

Clem_Snide said:

Feel sorry for him TBH.

20mins here and there is not doing him any favours. He was starting to show some form and settle into his role in the team and promptly got injured.

Haven’t read the whole thread, and am
sure others have already said it, but we simply don’t create enough chances for our forwards.

A striker will struggle if no one is giving him the ball in dangerous areas.

We’re not doing him any favours but he’s not doing himself any favours either. If you at least give a good cameo you’re giving yourself a good chance to get a start but he gives defenders such an easy job handling him

Agree. He defended admirably yesterday but when he had the chances to do something going forward he shirked them. He’s clearly low on confidence but it is partly his responsibility to fix that

IR94 · February 22

Just don't think he has the pace, aggression for the champ, fine L1 player but QPR wouldn't let him go if they thought he was up to this level.

ShootersHillGuru · February 22

fenaddick said:

For me it’s fairly clear that we didn’t think we could afford a striker in the NJ style and so bought two hoping to train at least one of them into that striker. It hasn’t worked, yet. I’m not writing him off yet, I hope having a pre season will help us get the best of him

I think next season our style of play will change dramatically. We set up to stifle teams and the expansive side suffers. I don’t think we can rely on that for another season. Jones will I’m sure want to be more fluid and I think Charlie Kelman will be one of the biggest beneficiaries.

fenaddick · February 22

ShootersHillGuru said:

fenaddick said:

For me it’s fairly clear that we didn’t think we could afford a striker in the NJ style and so bought two hoping to train at least one of them into that striker. It hasn’t worked, yet. I’m not writing him off yet, I hope having a pre season will help us get the best of him

I think next season our style of play will change dramatically. We set up to stifle teams and the expansive side suffers. I don’t think we can rely on that for another season. Jones will I’m sure want to be more fluid and I think Charlie Kelman will be one of the biggest beneficiaries.

I think it will change but not dramatically, slow progress I think

Crispywood · February 22

fenaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

fenaddick said:

For me it’s fairly clear that we didn’t think we could afford a striker in the NJ style and so bought two hoping to train at least one of them into that striker. It hasn’t worked, yet. I’m not writing him off yet, I hope having a pre season will help us get the best of him

I think next season our style of play will change dramatically. We set up to stifle teams and the expansive side suffers. I don’t think we can rely on that for another season. Jones will I’m sure want to be more fluid and I think Charlie Kelman will be one of the biggest beneficiaries.

I think it will change but not dramatically, slow progress I think

I think the style of football will be more or less the same but think we’re going to be far more aggressive in terms of playing up the pitch with and without the ball

ElfsborgAddick · February 22

Clem_Snide said:

Feel sorry for him TBH.

20mins here and there is not doing him any favours. He was starting to show some form and settle into his role in the team and promptly got injured.

Haven’t read the whole thread, and am
sure others have already said it, but we simply don’t create enough chances for our forwards.

A striker will struggle if no one is giving him the ball in dangerous areas.

Haaland would still not score goals in this team.

ElfsborgAddick · February 22

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

ProperCharlton said:

Really disappointed in him TBH. Need to start seeing a lot more or can see him being sent back to L1 next season if we stay up.

I blame Jones, he needs to play to Kelman's strengths after shelling out a fortune(in our terms).
Otherwise he should have kept Alfie.

Have you seen Alfie May's record this season? Or how we did without him last season?

I look back at the two seasons he had with Cheltenham and the one season with us.

It could be said why did Jones buy Kelman when he would appear to be a similar player to May.

peterreeves · February 22

It's very unfair to judge the lad as not good enough. The most consecutive number of games he's had all season was 5 before being injured. He then recently got a run of 4 games before being dropped.

He can score goals but needs, as most here are saying a quality midfielder that can thread a ball through the eye of a needle.....we simply haven't got that and all of the forwards have only had scraps to feed off all season.

I won't give up on him and hope Jones doesn't. I'm sure Apter was also meant to be a supply line for Kelman and everyone else... That hasn't worked out either! So no midfield and no decent winger other than TC ( who blows hot and cold) is why we aren't doing well up top. However, I believe we will survive abdcad Shooters Hill said the summer transfer window must be something meaningful in respect of experience and investment otherwise it could be second season syndrome.

LargeAddick · February 22

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

ProperCharlton said:

Really disappointed in him TBH. Need to start seeing a lot more or can see him being sent back to L1 next season if we stay up.

I think we’ll see most players we signed last summer move on if we stay up.

Wouldn’t be suprised to see the likes of Kelman, Knibbs, Olaofe & Apter all move on.

In light of so many players struggling to step up from L1, we’ll definitely look for players with significant championship experience (Bell, Coady, Clarke, Dykes types etc) or foreign based players going forward.

The strategy of buying the best from L1 hasn’t worked (massive difference in quality between the two leagues).

They all signed long contracts, far too early to give up on any of them but especially Kelman and Apter in my opinion.

NabySarr · February 22

ElfsborgAddick said:

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

ProperCharlton said:

Really disappointed in him TBH. Need to start seeing a lot more or can see him being sent back to L1 next season if we stay up.

I blame Jones, he needs to play to Kelman's strengths after shelling out a fortune(in our terms).
Otherwise he should have kept Alfie.

Have you seen Alfie May's record this season? Or how we did without him last season?

I look back at the two seasons he had with Cheltenham and the one season with us.
It could be said why did Jones buy Kelman when he would appear to be a similar player to May.

Because Kelman is 24, May is 32. Lots of time for Kelman to develop other areas of his game and become a more complete striker, which is I’m sure our plan and why we bought him

Crispywood · February 22

ElfsborgAddick said:

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

ProperCharlton said:

Really disappointed in him TBH. Need to start seeing a lot more or can see him being sent back to L1 next season if we stay up.

I blame Jones, he needs to play to Kelman's strengths after shelling out a fortune(in our terms).
Otherwise he should have kept Alfie.

Have you seen Alfie May's record this season? Or how we did without him last season?

I look back at the two seasons he had with Cheltenham and the one season with us.
It could be said why did Jones buy Kelman when he would appear to be a similar player to May.

Age profile is completely different, Kelman doesn’t seem to have an ego to take on Jones like May did. Kelman is also a bit bigger than May so you would hope he would be a bit better physically which unfortunately not been the case

fenaddick · February 22

Yeah the May comparison is Godden and Kelman is meant to be a replacement/style development on Godden which hasn’t yet happened

ForeverAddickted · February 22

fenaddick said:

Yeah the May comparison is Godden and Kelman is meant to be a replacement/style development on Godden which hasn’t yet happened

I dunno... Godden only got six in his first Championship season...

Im still loath to acknowledge his time at this level with QPR, as they were similar to early Karlan Grant minutes for us

++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

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