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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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Big shame Godden is out again. It was always likely to happen after such a lay-off. For me, he gives what we expect Kelman would. That bit more power, focus and desire.1
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He’s still young though, and hadn’t had many starts or decent minutes at this level. I was more meaning that he’s still got quite clear weaknesses that will improve with experience and him getting into better shape. If he gets stronger and fitter and learns how better to use his body against championship centre backs then he’d be a very good player at this level. That will be our aim but it could take years to get there, I don’t think we will give up after 1 year but maybe Jones has seen enoughkillerandflash said:
Kelman isn't someone who's come from abroad like Sichenje, who has to adapt to English football and this division.NabySarr said:
Think we’d be very unlikely to keep TC if relegatedCrispywood said:
I honestly think he could be gone even if we get relegated. Jones shown to prefer Leaburn + TC and then you would think Mbick + Kanu would be be given the opportunity after their successful loansSouthendaddick said:Every now and then we spend money on strikers that just aren’t up to it, look at the dross we signed post prem relegation Varney, Iwelumo and that fella from Burnley who’s name escapes me, Ajose there’s probably more
He looks a bit overweight uninterested, lazy and not buying into the system and even if the system isn’t great and he might fit a better one I still think he found his level last year and QPR are having a giggle at us for spending that sort of money
The boy can finish we know that but not in this team in my opinion at this level
Time will tell and I hope he proves me wrong and bangs one in tomorrow but long term I see him being ditched in the summer if we survive
If we don’t we have a hell of a league one player next season
I still think we view Kelman as a project and he’s shown enough to not be given up on yet. We’ve bought him for the player we think we can make him rather than what he is now. I think this pre-season is key, get him stronger and fitter, learn how to battle defenders at this level and be more of a nuisance even if he’s not getting chances. Next season will be make or break
He's someone who was at QPR for 5 seasons. Even if he had long loan spells away, he will know what's required at this level, having had several pre-seasons training with QPR, a solid Championship club. I suspect he's down on confidence at the moment, which is affecting him on the pitch, but his basic game is what it is. And NJ's football is what it is.1 -
Oxford with the goal is the only real moment from the bench.Talal said:
Yeah I don't expect it to happen. It just feels like when he comes off the bench he never really does anything. Though happy to be corrected on that as I may have forgotten some contributions.ForeverAddickted said:
As someone who likes Kelman, and the way that Jones expects his players to perform... Thats immediately not going to happen, unless he was under instructions, based off his performance from the bench on Saturday - If Godden was fit, I'd even wonder if we'd see Charlie in the team tonight.Talal said:I'd start him for a few games with Dykes and see how it goes. Never feel like he's going to influence the game from the bench, at least not to the extent Leaburn and Campbell can.1 -
Kelman strikes me as a player who excels when he has confidence, we saw that at Orient in the second half of last season. When he came back from injury and scored that goal against Oxford and then the 2 at Blackburn i thought he'd finally arrived and was going to kick on.
But for some reason in the next game he was hauled off at half time (despite us facing 9 men in the second half) and since then he's barely featured, starting just 1 out of 7 games. I suspect his confidence right now is on the floor.
Strange how he was bombed out so soon after the brace at Blackburn, but Jones clearly doesn't rate him.5 -
He hasn't started enough and consecutive games for me to judge1
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It says something about our summer squad building, when we brought in Kelman and Olaofe (combined spend £4.5-£5m) to join Miles, Godden and TC, that Dykes is clearly the first choice striker now.
I always wanted us to sign a target man striker in the summer, as in a team which won't be on top in most games, and won't be creating loads of chances, a target man can offer so much more than a simple finisher. Especially knowing the type of football we play, which even in L1, was pragmatic.
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Top scorer in league one, used about a 1/3 of the summer budget, if you believe the budget posted on here, in the summer.Callumcafc said:He looks like the lost boy I was talking about back in August / September. Thought he might have kicked on after a couple of performances over the Christmas period but it hasn’t happened.
Not sure why we signed him.
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We did that once all game and scored from it. We had three shots to West Brom's 18 and they haven't won in their last 12 games.Addick Addict said:
Carey isn't playing with his back to goal the whole time with two people marking him. The vast majority of his goals have been coming late onto the ball and/or strikes from outside the box. How many times do we play a ball between the CBs and FBs for one of our forwards to run onto? How many decent crosses do we deliver in the course of the game (like the one Dykes scored from)?EugenesAxe said:
Careys got 8 hasn't he?Addick Addict said:I've said it before but the reason we've not scored more than one goal in a game in 20 of our last 22 matches (19 goals in total) is because our forwards are feeding on scraps the whole time. Kelman and Carey both have four each and TC has three but the likes of Leaburn and Dykes have one of those goals from 21 starts between them.
It's hopeless using Kelman as that sole man up top so we have to change the system if we want to get the best out of him or we just resign ourselves to scoring less than a goal a game and rely solely on those clean sheets.
As I say we've scored 19 goals in the last 22 matches. And Carey has had a lot more game time than Kelman:
Kelman - 4
Carey - 4
TC - 3
Knibbs - 2
Dykes - 1
Jones - 1
Rankin-Cotello - 1
Berry - 1
Fevrier - 1
OG - 1
Leaburn - 0
All the evidence shows that the way we are set up is an issue that affects all our forwards. If that isn't the case then how come Leaburn and Dykes have managed just two goals this season between them from 24 starts?
I said it on the Clarke thread but he played 35 times in a back four for Ipswich that scored 92 goals in gaining promotion. In a back five, where he should have more licence to bomb forward, he's clearly not given permission to do so. Why are we so negative against even the weakest of teams?
Playing a static back five, two water carriers in front of them and two lumps up top might nick us a result here and there but it isn't going to win many games. Leaburn works hard for the team but has scored once in 30 appearances this season. Kelman might not be the answer but it's wrong to scapegoat him for us not finding the net any more than it is to blame Leaburn.2 -
I know at times he has looked a little lost, but at other times he has looked like he could develop into a decent Championship striker. His five league goals have all come in games where he was the only Charlton scorer, earning us 8 points from the two wins and two draws.15
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Considering the games he has missed through injury and starting on the bench - it’s safe to say he could have been our top scorer comfortably with 10-12 goals by now.
None of our other strikes bar a fit Godden put that away. He is a very good footballer and would like to see him next season as a part of a better all round team that would allow him to shine20 -
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I think today he benefitted from facing a tired defence but he still had to have the quality to make the most of that. Very impressive and it was great that the ball fell to him rather than a wingback like it has been recently4
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That was his best performance for ages. He looked sharp when he came on, whereas in some late cameos he's looked a bit lost.
Great finish for the goal, and better hold up play too.12 -
Obviously it’s incredibly “I told you so” to refer to this comment tonight, but I really think we’ve made a mistake not giving Kelman more minutes this season. It looks like we’ll be ok now, but I see him as someone who could really contribute goals at this level (which we seriously lack) if give a decent run.se9addick said:There’s been far too much chopping and changing upfront, some forced and some not. I’d go with Dykes and Kelman for a sustained period now.5 -
Like Godden he’s a great finisher, though Godden is the better poacher for those tap ins, that’s something I’d like to see from Kelman.
He also needs to offer more outside the box to justify being a regular starter. He had some good moments today, a reminder the potential is there.
The problem is we need the pace and width TC offers too. Clarke and Chambers have been good for at WB, but they don’t offer that type of threat.
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Do we bring in players in other positions that get more out of TC or Kelman?
Do we sign players that mean those two spend more time on the bench?
Do we change formation as part of us evolving as a team?
We could give Kelman a run in the team, but it probably means losing what TC offers as I think we also need Dykes or Leaburn as an outlet in that target man role.10 -
I was pleased to see him say straight after the game that he has himself to blame for not getting more opportunities. He's been very ineffectual when he's come on recently but he was sharper today and he got his reward. Jones said he'd been excellent in training all week so more of that and he'll be fine19
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Scoring goals is good, but, just wish he'd run around outside the box more, you know?
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Someone pointed out on the match thread and I’ve watched it a few times he had no back lift for the goal, just a ping, brilliant finish .
Fair play to his interview as well any reason why he give the hands behind ears to Brum fans ?
Had two yanks in front (who hated Tom Brady) and were buzzing when Kelman scored8 -
I'm not entirely sure honestly. He'd definitely have a few more goals himself but would it come at the expense of the shape and the style that Jones prefers? We don't really know for sure of course, but Jones has been pretty complimentary in his comments. I suspect that the plan or at the very least the hope is that Kelman's all round game continues improving and he becomes a younger Godden, bringing energy and a bit of nous in addition to a cutting edge up front.se9addick said:
Obviously it’s incredibly “I told you so” to refer to this comment tonight, but I really think we’ve made a mistake not giving Kelman more minutes this season. It looks like we’ll be ok now, but I see him as someone who could really contribute goals at this level (which we seriously lack) if give a decent run.se9addick said:There’s been far too much chopping and changing upfront, some forced and some not. I’d go with Dykes and Kelman for a sustained period now.
The fact Kelman has not apparently been written off already where both Olaofe and Apter were sent out on loan makes me think Jones is not done with him yet.6 -
Really pleased for him today. I get why Jones prefers to play with a big lump up front but i've always felt it was harsh that Kelman got bombed out of the starting XI so soon after scoring twice at Blackburn when his confidence must have been at a season high.5
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If it was that simple our front two should be Godden and Kelman, with Carey and Knibbs starting in midfield (when they’re all fit of course). But it won’t be, because the balance of the team is also important.CL_Phantom said:Scoring goals is good, but, just wish he'd run around outside the box more, you know?
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Scoham said:
If it was that simple our front two should be Godden and Kelman, with Carey and Knibbs starting in midfield (when they’re all fit of course). But it won’t be, because the balance of the team is also important.CL_Phantom said:Scoring goals is good, but, just wish he'd run around outside the box more, you know?
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We don't always need 10 excitable Labradors chasing the ball around.
Carey and Docherty do plenty of running and Dykes plenty of battling outside the box. Godden didn't effect the shape much last season, his ability to sniff out a goal was somewhat key to the system, Kelman can (and imo should have) see a lot more game time.
The TC argument is fine and get it, but in a team in need of goals, it's gotta be Big lad and Kelman as much as possible for me.
But I'm old fashioned, just like how I think games against relegation rivals are must win, I like my strikers that score goals.
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Delighted for him today. Much more like the player he’s shown us he can be after a few poor cameos lately. I loved his interview too; accountability, and clear determination to improve.We won’t get all of the recruitment right but the players deserve support and patience.Birmingham’s starting striker (Priske) cost £6m and their sub (Stansfield) £15m, by the way.10
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Kelman’s effort isn’t an issue, it’s that in games when he’s started and we’ve struggled to create chances he hasn’t offered enough to help that. That could come from hold up play, winning headers, movement to create space for others, taking on defenders etc.CL_Phantom said:Scoham said:
If it was that simple our front two should be Godden and Kelman, with Carey and Knibbs starting in midfield (when they’re all fit of course). But it won’t be, because the balance of the team is also important.CL_Phantom said:Scoring goals is good, but, just wish he'd run around outside the box more, you know?
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We don't always need 10 excitable Labradors chasing the ball around.
Carey and Docherty do plenty of running and Dykes plenty of battling outside the box. Godden didn't effect the shape much last season, his ability to sniff out a goal was somewhat key to the system, Kelman can (and imo should have) see a lot more game time.
The TC argument is fine and get it, but in a team in need of goals, it's gotta be Big lad and Kelman as much as possible for me.
But I'm old fashioned, just like how I think games against relegation rivals are must win, I like my strikers that score goals.
He’s had good games and today was another (and not just for the goal). But there have been others in which he’s offered so little some have questioned why we’ve signed him and what he adds outside of finishing.
I agree he can be a good player for us at this level, but I get why he isn’t yet a guaranteed starter.4 -
Oh Charlie kelman he's mustard like hellmans he makes me happy when sky's are greyyyyy0
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He’s had 22 shots so far this season - only two of them have been classified as missing the target (10 saved, 5 blocked, 5 goals).Of the 19 shots taken on his right foot this season, his first off target effort came in the 87th minute earlier today (the other miss was off his left foot against Sheff Utd in September).
He has accumulated 5 goals from 2.97 xG and scored 4 goals from 2.18 non-penalty xG.
There’s no doubt he knows how to find the net given an opportunity.27 -
A scorer of goals is the most in demand player. One only has to look at the fees commanded by those who can find the net. It seems absurd that the one player (apart from Godden who has been out for virtually all of the season) who is able to take chances, we have used so sparingly.
Kelman has 5 goals and no assists in total in 1,222 minutes i.e. a goal or assist every 244 minutes
All of those goals have come since 1st November and in 599 minutes on the pitch i.e. a goal every 120 minutes and he has scored all bar 2 of ours when on the pitch
In the 4 games in which he has scored, nobody else has scored and we've taken 8 points i.e. 2 points per game:
Kone was touted by some as the one we should have gone for. Well he hasn't exactly been a roaring success:
7 goals plus 2 assists in total in 2,535 minutes i.e. a goal or assist every 282 minutes
Since 13th September Kone has played 2,290 minutes and scored just 4 goals and had 2 assists i.e. a goal or assist every 382 minutes
If one was looking at those two sets of stats then the conclusion would have to be that Kelman has improved as the season has gone on but Kone, after a bright start in which he scored 3 goals in his first 4 games, has fallen away.
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That’s just looking at goals though. We know Kelman is a good goalscorer, why he doesn’t start every game is because his all round game is not very good at this levelAddick Addict said:A scorer of goals is the most in demand player. One only has to look at the fees commanded by those who can find the net. It seems absurd that the one player (apart from Godden who has been out for virtually all of the season) who is able to take chances, we have used so sparingly.
Kelman has 5 goals and no assists in total in 1,222 minutes i.e. a goal or assist every 244 minutes
All of those goals have come since 1st November and in 599 minutes on the pitch i.e. a goal every 120 minutes and he has scored all bar 2 of ours when on the pitch
In the 4 games in which he has scored, nobody else has scored and we've taken 8 points i.e. 2 points per game:
Kone was touted by some as the one we should have gone for. Well he hasn't exactly been a roaring success:
7 goals plus 2 assists in total in 2,535 minutes i.e. a goal or assist every 282 minutes
Since 13th September Kone has played 2,290 minutes and scored just 4 goals and had 2 assists i.e. a goal or assist every 382 minutes
If one was looking at those two sets of stats then the conclusion would have to be that Kelman has improved as the season has gone on but Kone, after a bright start in which he scored 3 goals in his first 4 games, has fallen away.
Kone is much better than Kelman at pretty much everything other than finishing. Which is why QPR signed him and sold us Kelman0 -
Kelman failed to score in first 30 odd Championship appearances. He must be ecstatic with the 1 in 3 scoring record he's managed since breaking his duck.1
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He's quite simply a great finisher and they are hens teeth for under 10 mill. One of the few players who i get excited to see playing as he has bags of ability.8
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As for workrate, given Mortimer was my favourite player ever, fair to say talent above headless chicken everyday!0
