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Just think it’s good goal keeping, got across the goal really quickly, made himself big and close to Kelman. The idea that he could have slotted at the near post is just silly.13
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How is that silly ,You've never seen a striker bury it low on the instep to the near post ?Rothko said:Just think it’s good goal keeping, got across the goal really quickly, made himself big and close to Kelman. The idea that he could have slotted at the near post is just silly.0 -
I have, but they are top end Premier League/Championship League players, and it’s a much harder finish. Give the keeper the credit, it was hardly Cole Palmer against LeedsSteven81 said:
How is that silly ,You've never seen a striker bury it low on the instep to the near post ?Rothko said:Just think it’s good goal keeping, got across the goal really quickly, made himself big and close to Kelman. The idea that he could have slotted at the near post is just silly.8 -
I disagree but fair enough.Rothko said:
I have, but they are top end Premier League/Championship League players, and it’s a much harder finish. Give the keeper the credit, it was hardly Cole Palmer against LeedsSteven81 said:
How is that silly ,You've never seen a striker bury it low on the instep to the near post ?Rothko said:Just think it’s good goal keeping, got across the goal really quickly, made himself big and close to Kelman. The idea that he could have slotted at the near post is just silly.0 -
League one keeper doesn't close the angle as perfectly as the boro keeper did last night.Diebythesword said:He scored about a dozen of those exact type of chances at orient last season. Disappointed he didn’t score but 9/10 he’s putting it in the back of the net, I think he’s shown enough this season to show he’s a natural finisher.5 -
The keeper had time to make himself as big as possible on only one side. Let's not make it out as if it was an open goal missed.I'm sure a left-footer would have buried it. Hackney and Castledine fluffed their lines with some awful finishing but the comms like them as players so hardly repeated the same narrative.1
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I thought his last 2 performances have been much much better. Came away from Southampton very disheartened but he’s clearly had a rocket on the workrate aspect, took his goal well on Saturday and was a bit unlucky with the chance last night.Like TC I think he needs a bit of love4
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Strikers miss chances/ keepers make saves, I think we may over analyse because we don’t get that many chances and when they come we need to be more ruthless, was disappointed he didn’t finish it but he did ok other than that.6
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Disagree, it's a poor finish from someone whose main attribute is being able to finish.Rothko said:Just think it’s good goal keeping, got across the goal really quickly, made himself big and close to Kelman. The idea that he could have slotted at the near post is just silly.
Still not having and don't think he'll be successful for us/in the Championship.2 -
I thought he should have scored but don't think it was a ‘sitter’. It looks easy to go near post, but it is a difficult skill on your weaker foot coming across your body. Steve Brown thought the Goalkeeper - who is a good player - did brilliantly FWIW.3
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The keeper did superbly to cut the angle. The ball’s come across with pace and onto Kelman’s weaker foot and I think his focus is getting it on target. So many times I’ve seen strikers get that ball across, try and put it inside the post and put it wide, I remember Coburn doing that exact thing against us at Millwall this season. The problem is the keeper made it so only a ball just inside the post would go in, which was great play from him. I don’t blame Kelman for making sure it got on target, I reckon if that had been on his right he’d just have put it away inside the post6
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Which was wide open. It's a bad miss no matter how you PR it.Garrymanilow said:The keeper did superbly to cut the angle. The ball’s come across with pace and onto Kelman’s weaker foot and I think his focus is getting it on target. So many times I’ve seen strikers get that ball across, try and put it inside the post and put it wide, I remember Coburn doing that exact thing against us at Millwall this season. The problem is the keeper made it so only a ball just inside the post would go in, which was great play from him. I don’t blame Kelman for making sure it got on target, I reckon if that had been on his right he’d just have put it away inside the post3 -
so, did Kaminski make a great save in the last few minutes vs QPR, or did their striker miss a sitter? FWIW, I thought this was a great save...as was Kaminski's....5
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Screenshot is the moment Kelman’s shot is saved. Blue circle is where Kelman’s shot goes and the red area is the entire part of the goal Brynn isn’t covering. He does well to make up the ground but anyone who says Kelman shouldn’t be scoring that is lying to themselves. Screenshot doesn’t even do it justice because Kelman also has so much time to open up his body or take it on a right. I expect my 3M forward who’s only thing he’s shown he can do this season is finish to be putting that away. Level of protection he gets is crazy, if that’s any other attacking player they’re hung out to dry4 -
Not always been a great fan of Kelman so far as he has just appeared to float around uninvolved in some games but I thought he had a really good game last night.
Worked a lot harder than he has done in some games previously and you could see he was really trying. And some good hold up play at times to try and take the pressure off us.
If Jones has given him a rocket and he's responded in this way that's a huge plus.
Hope he starts on Saturday.5 -
Excellent last night the amount of work he and Leaburn put in , back in their own half … in fact when they were replaced we looked more open . Unlucky with the chance , the ball just did not arrive quick enough and he had to change his stance but good keeping as well made himself big
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unlike some of our fans Kelman is honest and will know he's missed a great chance with a huge gap of the goal open, his attempt was crap .
He's got to be scoring that
but he has been much much improved these last couple of games and the signs are better3 -
What the screenshot don’t show is the ball not being hard enough as Kelman expected and Kelman having to adjust his feet to deal with it .. it was always keeper fav .. done well to get it all targetCrispywood said:Screenshot is the moment Kelman’s shot is saved. Blue circle is where Kelman’s shot goes and the red area is the entire part of the goal Brynn isn’t covering. He does well to make up the ground but anyone who says Kelman shouldn’t be scoring that is lying to themselves. Screenshot doesn’t even do it justice because Kelman also has so much time to open up his body or take it on a right. I expect my 3M forward who’s only thing he’s shown he can do this season is finish to be putting that away. Level of protection he gets is crazy, if that’s any other attacking player they’re hung out to dry5 -
This isn't subbuteo. Football isn't played in slow motion. A screenshot doesn't account for the speed at which the players or the ball are moving; pretty important stuff. I imagine a screenshot from behind the goal will show that Sol Brynn is covering more of that near post than it looks like there, too.
If you've played football to any level you know that is a tricky technique on your weaker foot. Whether you like xG or not (it has massive flaws and I am not a huge fan of it being used blindly, but it's useful in this precise situation), that chance was worth 0.36. It was a good chance, he could've done better. But two teams are playing and you have to commend their keeper for making a decent save. I don't think that's being overly protective!7 -
All I’ll say is at least it wasn’t TC missing that.8
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That image means absolutely nothing looking at it from that angle.Crispywood said:Screenshot is the moment Kelman’s shot is saved. Blue circle is where Kelman’s shot goes and the red area is the entire part of the goal Brynn isn’t covering. He does well to make up the ground but anyone who says Kelman shouldn’t be scoring that is lying to themselves. Screenshot doesn’t even do it justice because Kelman also has so much time to open up his body or take it on a right. I expect my 3M forward who’s only thing he’s shown he can do this season is finish to be putting that away. Level of protection he gets is crazy, if that’s any other attacking player they’re hung out to dry
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We must have watched a different game.Fortune 82nd Minute said:Not always been a great fan of Kelman so far as he has just appeared to float around uninvolved in some games but I thought he had a really good game last night.
Worked a lot harder than he has done in some games previously and you could see he was really trying. And some good hold up play at times to try and take the pressure off us.
If Jones has given him a rocket and he's responded in this way that's a huge plus.
Hope he starts on Saturday.1 -
If that happens at the other end we're all queuing up with well moistened hands to see Mannion.5
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Exactly, what does that look like from the high and behind cameras?shine166 said:
That image means absolutely nothing looking at it from that angle.Crispywood said:Screenshot is the moment Kelman’s shot is saved. Blue circle is where Kelman’s shot goes and the red area is the entire part of the goal Brynn isn’t covering. He does well to make up the ground but anyone who says Kelman shouldn’t be scoring that is lying to themselves. Screenshot doesn’t even do it justice because Kelman also has so much time to open up his body or take it on a right. I expect my 3M forward who’s only thing he’s shown he can do this season is finish to be putting that away. Level of protection he gets is crazy, if that’s any other attacking player they’re hung out to dry2 -
He hasn't come through the academy and he's not a big lad to battle physically nor is he yet a veteran finisher, he gets the microscope treatment as he's a striker who cost money - first half of this thread is bemoaning his lack of box play in favour of running around outside it, the second half, the total opposite
He has and did last night contribute to the pressing game, drop deep and make himself useful from that perspective, he's far from a passenger and a lost boy as if he was NJ wouldn't even have him on the bench.
I'll take a wild guess and say he's still leading the striker collective for shots on target.
On that chance, I'll say if you look at it from a behind the goal angle you'll see that big wide empty space isnt so big and wide, he tried to slot it under/ through the keeper to find the bigger part of the net, it was saved, happens a lot in football.2 -
I also don't know how many times this point needs to be made: the fee is relatively big for us, but it is not a lot of money in this market. Strikers are probably the hardest position to recruit; ~£3m in that position is always going to be a bit of a punt. Look at all the big money (£60m+) strikers that went to Prem teams this Summer. The hit rate is about 50%. Kelman is relying on very few chances per game at a new level and that is why people are defending him. Or, in my eyes, supporting him, which is what we all are here to do.10
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How did you see it last night?J BLOCK said:
We must have watched a different game.Fortune 82nd Minute said:Not always been a great fan of Kelman so far as he has just appeared to float around uninvolved in some games but I thought he had a really good game last night.
Worked a lot harder than he has done in some games previously and you could see he was really trying. And some good hold up play at times to try and take the pressure off us.
If Jones has given him a rocket and he's responded in this way that's a huge plus.
Hope he starts on Saturday.0 -
'Protection'. Just a stupid Twittery thing to say. Analysing a chance and coming to different conclusions isn't 'protection' and there's nothing impressive about just wildly screeching about a miss without applying any amount of your brain to it. It's possible for a chance to be missed, it being a chance that probably should have been taken and still be able to recognise mitigating factors in why it didn't go in. I think he should have scored but I recognise what he did - worry about putting it wide and totally wasting the chance - and know that a still image isn't a good way to understand a game played at speed. On his weaker foot I think he played it safe, did the BWP trick of just getting it on target and not worrying about anything else. That allowed the keeper a chance to save it if he did well and that's what the keeper did. Missed opportunity, as every single footballer in the world will have in a game. It's not protecting a player to talk about the chance with some amount of nuance.Crispywood said:Screenshot is the moment Kelman’s shot is saved. Blue circle is where Kelman’s shot goes and the red area is the entire part of the goal Brynn isn’t covering. He does well to make up the ground but anyone who says Kelman shouldn’t be scoring that is lying to themselves. Screenshot doesn’t even do it justice because Kelman also has so much time to open up his body or take it on a right. I expect my 3M forward who’s only thing he’s shown he can do this season is finish to be putting that away.Level of protection he gets is crazy, if that’s any other attacking player they’re hung out to dry7 -
Think we need a bit of perspective here. There are probably only a couple of teams in the Championship that create as few chances as we do. That means that every single one that someone misses for us becomes far more important than it might at other clubs.
We average 10.86 shots per match whereas Coventry average 16.70. Our conversion rate is 9% whereas theirs is 12%. So, over a season, we will have 500 shots and 45 will be converted into goals whereas Coventry will have 768 shots on target and convert that into 92 goals.
Our forwards compared to other strikers in the division:
Vipotnik: 72 shots, 17 goals = 24%
Wright: 83 shots, 16 goals = 19%
McBurnie: 49 shots, 13 goals = 27%
Gelhardt: 71 shots, 13 goals = 18%
Moore: 71 shots, 11 goals = 15%
Armstrong: 87 shots, 11 goals = 13%
Carey: 80 shots, 8 goals = 10%
Kelman: 22 shots, 5 goals = 23%
Dykes: 29 shots, 4 goals = 14%
Campbell: 51 shots, 3 goals = 6%
Oloafe: 4 shots, 1 goal = 25%
Leaburn: 15 shots, 1 goal = 7%
Godden: 6 shots, 0 goals = 0%
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Yep this angle makes it look like a much tougher angle. You can't see really how far across the keeper is from either. He'll be kicking himself as it probably should have been a goal, but a sitter? Na.shine166 said:
That image means absolutely nothing looking at it from that angle.Crispywood said:Screenshot is the moment Kelman’s shot is saved. Blue circle is where Kelman’s shot goes and the red area is the entire part of the goal Brynn isn’t covering. He does well to make up the ground but anyone who says Kelman shouldn’t be scoring that is lying to themselves. Screenshot doesn’t even do it justice because Kelman also has so much time to open up his body or take it on a right. I expect my 3M forward who’s only thing he’s shown he can do this season is finish to be putting that away. Level of protection he gets is crazy, if that’s any other attacking player they’re hung out to dry
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