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POST-MATCH THREAD: West Bromwich Albion v Charlton Athletic: Tuesday 24th February 2026: KO 19:45
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Good to see you on the concourse & thanks for the big hugs !Braziliance said:Vlog for this game
https://youtu.be/eCmSZ4XoY9Q?si=WpfBawVe_o7wJB28
Sorry I missed a few life got in the way2 -
How many loan players have we had this season, and can you name them?
playing and / non playing loan players = ?
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Considering that most of the marquee summer recruits have flattered to deceive - Kelman, Apter, Tanto, Jones has done very well to free up some money on the wage bill and essentially buils half a new team that has gelled quickly and ground out a decent haul of points.
If we didnt have injuries that hampered a rigid system with no viable plan b I think we would be safely mid table.
So I think NJ deserves credit to have build a patched up champ team that hoepfully will stay up so we can all celebrate again just like last year.
We stay up we spend 20 million in the summer and we will attract a higher level of player.
The championship is a fantastic league imho and to even be here after the horrors of the last decade or so is terrific.
I think a lot of our past managers would have had deep in the bottom 3 by now.
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Anyone know why NJ said Chambers shouldn’t have been playing?0
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Probably too many games in too shorter time. The lad hadn't played since last April until 2 U21 matches in Jan.LargeAddick said:Anyone know why NJ said Chambers shouldn’t have been playing?2 -
£20million.....😂😂😂😂.mascot88 said:Considering that most of the marquee summer recruits have flattered to deceive - Kelman, Apter, Tanto, Jones has done very well to free up some money on the wage bill and essentially buils half a new team that has gelled quickly and ground out a decent haul of points.
If we didnt have injuries that hampered a rigid system with no viable plan b I think we would be safely mid table.
So I think NJ deserves credit to have build a patched up champ team that hoepfully will stay up so we can all celebrate again just like last year.
We stay up we spend 20 million in the summer and we will attract a higher level of player.
The championship is a fantastic league imho and to even be here after the horrors of the last decade or so is terrific.
I think a lot of our past managers would have had deep in the bottom 3 by now.
About half that I would imagine. Tops.1 -
It has to be 20Mill or we'll be in the same boat as this season.golfaddick said:
£20million.....😂😂😂😂.mascot88 said:Considering that most of the marquee summer recruits have flattered to deceive - Kelman, Apter, Tanto, Jones has done very well to free up some money on the wage bill and essentially buils half a new team that has gelled quickly and ground out a decent haul of points.
If we didnt have injuries that hampered a rigid system with no viable plan b I think we would be safely mid table.
So I think NJ deserves credit to have build a patched up champ team that hoepfully will stay up so we can all celebrate again just like last year.
We stay up we spend 20 million in the summer and we will attract a higher level of player.
The championship is a fantastic league imho and to even be here after the horrors of the last decade or so is terrific.
I think a lot of our past managers would have had deep in the bottom 3 by now.
About half that I would imagine. Tops.1 -
Yeah I think just this. In the interview on RC's substack pod he said something like 'because he's just coming back from..' and then kind of trailed off. Was a bit surprised, thought Liverpool were dictating his minutes to a degree so if NJ think that I'd have expected he needed to be rested. Leaves a bit of an open question for Saturday - not sure I want to see Fevs at LWB from the off!golfaddick said:
Probably too many games in too shorter time. The lad hadn't played since last April until 2 U21 matches in Jan.LargeAddick said:Anyone know why NJ said Chambers shouldn’t have been playing?2 -
A bit late to this post but what the hell?? We got a point which all Charlton fans would hope for regarding who the opponents were at this stage of the season.Im not a fan who expects the team to turn up and play like 1970's Brazil.If we win win or draw ugly or win or draw playing the Brazil 1970's way id be happy either way.A point is a point and we need points to keep us up.We draw with Southampton and people are happy we draw with West Brom and people pissed off.Jeez!!
A few more points no matter how we play il be happy.We just need to stay up.
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Funny how £20m seems simultaneously to be both an inordinately large amount of money and virtually nothing at all.
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No idea what post this was in relation to but got a notification that I was tagged in it @e@eastterrace6168eastterrace6168 said:
on arrival I see nothing lol!0 -
Sorry Daz, my original post I edited as I thought it might have been taken the wrong way, and put this up to show my stupidity really, just ignore mate...🤦♂️Dazzler21 said:
No idea what post this was in relation to but got a notification that I was tagged in it @e@eastterrace6168eastterrace6168 said:
on arrival I see nothing lol!0 -
Alwaysneil said:Funny how £20m seems simultaneously to be both an inordinately large amount of money and virtually nothing at all.
It's a weird one at this level. £20m is probably what's needed to take that next step forward but at this level it's only about the average when you look at some of the fees splashed around.2 -
I didnt say it was an inordinately large amount & agree that is what is needed to be spent.Alwaysneil said:Funny how £20m seems simultaneously to be both an inordinately large amount of money and virtually nothing at all.
Just don't think the owners will.0 -
MarcusH26 said:Alwaysneil said:Funny how £20m seems simultaneously to be both an inordinately large amount of money and virtually nothing at all.
It's a weird one at this level. £20m is probably what's needed to take that next step forward but at this level it's only about the average when you look at some of the fees splashed around.
What's the benefit of spending that kind of money? Costs v benefits v risks- I mean from an business investment point of view, which is surely the one our owners will take. And would need to assume the benefits are attributable to the investment and there would be a plan spanning several years to support the investment showing when the benefits start to be realized, and return on investment is achieved. If we still assume the vision of premier league in 5 years(?) holds, then would £20mn cover it, say for the next year (for which a detailed plan must follow) or is a new vision needed?
Just by way of illustration - I like our skint tag, and use it myself in daily life. It's a great way to get out of occasions and responsibilities that just lead to obligations, more occasions and more responsibilities. Another consequence is we are constantly perceived to be punching above our weight ad get plaudits for that. Lower expectations all round helps keep pressures off. If i was a football club i'd be languishing around the mid champs to top league 1, maintaining the poverty story, not too bothered if it's not a pretty watch for the majority, and crowds bumble along at 12-20000. Moving to the next level needs tangible investment and a plan and other resources, but we'd need a whole team effort off & on the pitch to buy in to it, or else, who's bothered and who leads the effort required?1 -
Well, although i hold the opinion that this division is no better than it was 20- 40 years ago, there is less 'bumbling around' permitted. We bumbled for most of the time i started watching - from late 70's to mid 80's we didn't have a pot to piss in, had no ambition in getting promoted to the top flight (partly due to the upheaval and disruption it would cause - longstanding players who wouldn't cut it, a ground that was no longer ready for top tier football and owners who had long since lost interest). Now however, i don't think you can get away with bumbleage - if you're not trying to improve and get somewhere you are going to go backwards. The ownership of the clubs like WBA, Leicester, Blackburn all seem to be treading water / bumbling and are now potentially gonna pay the consequences. Our owners have some decisions to make. Get serious with some even bigger investment, bring in additional investors or accept we are going to get relegated next year if we manage to survive this year. Cutting our losses on most of last season's player transfer fees should be part of the plan as i don't see any of them fitting our style in this division.swords_alive said:MarcusH26 said:Alwaysneil said:Funny how £20m seems simultaneously to be both an inordinately large amount of money and virtually nothing at all.
It's a weird one at this level. £20m is probably what's needed to take that next step forward but at this level it's only about the average when you look at some of the fees splashed around.
What's the benefit of spending that kind of money? Costs v benefits v risks- I mean from an business investment point of view, which is surely the one our owners will take. And would need to assume the benefits are attributable to the investment and there would be a plan spanning several years to support the investment showing when the benefits start to be realized, and return on investment is achieved. If we still assume the vision of premier league in 5 years(?) holds, then would £20mn cover it, say for the next year (for which a detailed plan must follow) or is a new vision needed?
Just by way of illustration - I like our skint tag, and use it myself in daily life. It's a great way to get out of occasions and responsibilities that just lead to obligations, more occasions and more responsibilities. Another consequence is we are constantly perceived to be punching above our weight ad get plaudits for that. Lower expectations all round helps keep pressures off. If i was a football club i'd be languishing around the mid champs to top league 1, maintaining the poverty story, not too bothered if it's not a pretty watch for the majority, and crowds bumble along at 12-20000. Moving to the next level needs tangible investment and a plan and other resources, but we'd need a whole team effort off & on the pitch to buy in to it, or else, who's bothered and who leads the effort required?2 -
We really don’t need to spend £20m to improve next season. Maybe if we want to make the play offs that’s the kind of money needed, but that’s a long term goal over the next years, not next seasons targetmascot88 said:
It has to be 20Mill or we'll be in the same boat as this season.golfaddick said:
£20million.....😂😂😂😂.mascot88 said:Considering that most of the marquee summer recruits have flattered to deceive - Kelman, Apter, Tanto, Jones has done very well to free up some money on the wage bill and essentially buils half a new team that has gelled quickly and ground out a decent haul of points.
If we didnt have injuries that hampered a rigid system with no viable plan b I think we would be safely mid table.
So I think NJ deserves credit to have build a patched up champ team that hoepfully will stay up so we can all celebrate again just like last year.
We stay up we spend 20 million in the summer and we will attract a higher level of player.
The championship is a fantastic league imho and to even be here after the horrors of the last decade or so is terrific.
I think a lot of our past managers would have had deep in the bottom 3 by now.
About half that I would imagine. Tops.
Next season will be about building on this one, a success would be not being involved in the relegation battle like we have been this season. Comfortable mid table is the next step and we don’t need to spend £20m to achieve that, better luck with injuries would have probably seen us there this season1 -
You need the Preston (cunningly disguised as the Nathan Jones) thread for that.Sword65pf said:Not sure I’ve seen it mentioned, could someone let us know where our budget ranks in the division and correlate it to how good or bad we are doing?0 -
Not sure i agree with that.NabySarr said:
We really don’t need to spend £20m to improve next season. Maybe if we want to make the play offs that’s the kind of money needed, but that’s a long term goal over the next years, not next seasons targetmascot88 said:
It has to be 20Mill or we'll be in the same boat as this season.golfaddick said:
£20million.....😂😂😂😂.mascot88 said:Considering that most of the marquee summer recruits have flattered to deceive - Kelman, Apter, Tanto, Jones has done very well to free up some money on the wage bill and essentially buils half a new team that has gelled quickly and ground out a decent haul of points.
If we didnt have injuries that hampered a rigid system with no viable plan b I think we would be safely mid table.
So I think NJ deserves credit to have build a patched up champ team that hoepfully will stay up so we can all celebrate again just like last year.
We stay up we spend 20 million in the summer and we will attract a higher level of player.
The championship is a fantastic league imho and to even be here after the horrors of the last decade or so is terrific.
I think a lot of our past managers would have had deep in the bottom 3 by now.
About half that I would imagine. Tops.
Next season will be about building on this one, a success would be not being involved in the relegation battle like we have been this season. Comfortable mid table is the next step and we don’t need to spend £20m to achieve that, better luck with injuries would have probably seen us there this season
I think if we spend similar to what we did this season we will probably be in a similar position next season.
Maybe not 20 million, but 15 million will be needed to move us up to mid table imo.3 -
If we spend it as badly then maybe yes you’re right it needs more. If we spend £10m well then we will improve and move up the table just fineblackpool72 said:
Not sure i agree with that.NabySarr said:
We really don’t need to spend £20m to improve next season. Maybe if we want to make the play offs that’s the kind of money needed, but that’s a long term goal over the next years, not next seasons targetmascot88 said:
It has to be 20Mill or we'll be in the same boat as this season.golfaddick said:
£20million.....😂😂😂😂.mascot88 said:Considering that most of the marquee summer recruits have flattered to deceive - Kelman, Apter, Tanto, Jones has done very well to free up some money on the wage bill and essentially buils half a new team that has gelled quickly and ground out a decent haul of points.
If we didnt have injuries that hampered a rigid system with no viable plan b I think we would be safely mid table.
So I think NJ deserves credit to have build a patched up champ team that hoepfully will stay up so we can all celebrate again just like last year.
We stay up we spend 20 million in the summer and we will attract a higher level of player.
The championship is a fantastic league imho and to even be here after the horrors of the last decade or so is terrific.
I think a lot of our past managers would have had deep in the bottom 3 by now.
About half that I would imagine. Tops.
Next season will be about building on this one, a success would be not being involved in the relegation battle like we have been this season. Comfortable mid table is the next step and we don’t need to spend £20m to achieve that, better luck with injuries would have probably seen us there this season
I think if we spend similar to what we did this season we will probably be in a similar position next season.
Maybe not 20 million, but 15 million will be needed to move us up to mid table imo.
We can also compete better for the best free transfers available to the championship, where last year we’d lose out to more established clubs. We could sign Dykes for example which would be no fee paid and a good signing, sure there are loads of other examples of players out of contract
Probably need 7-ish new players so I think a similar level of spending to last year on transfer fees, but increasing the wage bill, should be fine to move us up the table. The wage budget is probably more important than the transfer budget2 -
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I get that you want to be positive but surely you would have to admit that this style of football isn't sustainable for growth, it may serve a purpose this season, but going forward we will have to evolve or logic would suggest we'd stay in the bottom eight hoping not to get unlucky one season.Callumcafc said:I see some comments have moved on from “we’re going down” to “if we play like this next year, we’re going down”2 -
I don't think you need to spend £20m in the summer and I certainly won't expect it. What we have to do it improve the percentage of signings that are additive to the squad.
Our top scorer this season and only creative spark was a free from L1 as was our best defensive signing. Our biggest fee spent was Kelman who's been a flop, we could have been safe by now if we'd signed Kone instead of Charlie. So the onus will be on getting the recruitment more right, more often not just chucking more cash at it... unfortunately Millwall are a decent example of this.
There will need to be 2-3 great free signings a couple of loans then two or three big fees spent that raise the floor and ceiling of this squad. if we can get more Bell's & Carey's and less Tanto's & JRC's then we'll be able to progress... even more so if NJ can coach some actual attacking football to go alongside it.
Like Collins I think we may have to shop abroad to get value and ability as the talent factory in L1 & L2 seems to have dried up a little this season.0 -
golfaddick said:
I didnt say it was an inordinately large amount & agree that is what is needed to be spent.Alwaysneil said:Funny how £20m seems simultaneously to be both an inordinately large amount of money and virtually nothing at all.
Just don't think the owners will.The owners haven't bought the club to stay outside the Premier League and continue to lose an 8 figure sum every season. They are businessmen (not lifelong fans) who will want to work to see a return on their investment, but shrewd enough, I'm sure, not to assume that promotion will inevitably happen without serious squad investment. Half-hearted budgets is just like pissing the money down the drain unless very, very lucky.For that reason, and assuming we stay up, I would expect a not insubstantial increase in the budget for 26/27. Other than that, it's not my money and what do I know? Let's survive first and worry about the squad for next season after this one concludes.
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Do you not think Jones plans to do this? Plenty of evidence from his career that he is capable of doing exactly that. He is 100% the right man for us for the futureThomasOliver3 said:
I get that you want to be positive but surely you would have to admit that this style of football isn't sustainable for growth, it may serve a purpose this season, but going forward we will have to evolve or logic would suggest we'd stay in the bottom eight hoping not to get unlucky one season.Callumcafc said:I see some comments have moved on from “we’re going down” to “if we play like this next year, we’re going down”0 -
If we spend £20m this summer we will be looking at points deductions further down the line. If you expect/demand that to happen then you are going to be disappointed. We simply don’t have the revenues yet to support that level of spending without breaking FFP2
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With all respect there's not plenty of evidence of that. There's one evolution at Luton. He failed terribly at Stoke & Southampton. I truly hope he can evolve the style of play and tbh I'm not in the know enough about Luton to know if they were ever this turgid.NabySarr said:
Do you not think Jones plans to do this? Plenty of evidence from his career that he is capable of doing exactly that. He is 100% the right man for us for the futureThomasOliver3 said:
I get that you want to be positive but surely you would have to admit that this style of football isn't sustainable for growth, it may serve a purpose this season, but going forward we will have to evolve or logic would suggest we'd stay in the bottom eight hoping not to get unlucky one season.Callumcafc said:I see some comments have moved on from “we’re going down” to “if we play like this next year, we’re going down”0 -
His Luton league 2 and league 1 teams scored loads and were at the top of the possession charts in those leagues. Played very attractive footballThomasOliver3 said:
With all respect there's not plenty of evidence of that. There's one evolution at Luton. He failed terribly at Stoke & Southampton. I truly hope he can evolve the style of play and tbh I'm not in the know enough about Luton to know if they were ever this turgid.NabySarr said:
Do you not think Jones plans to do this? Plenty of evidence from his career that he is capable of doing exactly that. He is 100% the right man for us for the futureThomasOliver3 said:
I get that you want to be positive but surely you would have to admit that this style of football isn't sustainable for growth, it may serve a purpose this season, but going forward we will have to evolve or logic would suggest we'd stay in the bottom eight hoping not to get unlucky one season.Callumcafc said:I see some comments have moved on from “we’re going down” to “if we play like this next year, we’re going down”
His Luton championship team played more direct football but he took them from relegation contenders to the play offs.His Charlton team last season started off playing very basic boring football but the second half of the season i don’t remember many complaints about style of play
He failed at Stoke and Southampton but to be able to evolve something you probably need a bit more time. He’s proven on multiple occasions he can do it, so yes there is actually plenty of evidence0 -
Is that the Kone who has scored just three more goals than Charlie in seven more appearances and cost 2m more? Or we could have spent 6m plus on Adam Idah like Swansea did for even less of a return.ThomasOliver3 said:I don't think you need to spend £20m in the summer and I certainly won't expect it. What we have to do it improve the percentage of signings that are additive to the squad.
Our top scorer this season and only creative spark was a free from L1 as was our best defensive signing. Our biggest fee spent was Kelman who's been a flop, we could have been safe by now if we'd signed Kone instead of Charlie. So the onus will be on getting the recruitment more right, more often not just chucking more cash at it... unfortunately Millwall are a decent example of this.
There will need to be 2-3 great free signings a couple of loans then two or three big fees spent that raise the floor and ceiling of this squad. if we can get more Bell's & Carey's and less Tanto's & JRC's then we'll be able to progress... even more so if NJ can coach some actual attacking football to go alongside it.
Like Collins I think we may have to shop abroad to get value and ability as the talent factory in L1 & L2 seems to have dried up a little this season.5 -
Braziliance said:Dreadful performance, if it wasn't for the vlogs and it being a survival season (me feeling it's important for us to be there to make a difference) I would be picking and choosing my games to watch.
Absolutely horrendous to watch.
Irrespective of if we stay up or not (still don't think it's anywhere near over, when it already could be) we need open chest surgery.
Need new forwards, midfielders and some new defenders, probably a new keeper as well.
We are extremely fortunate Wednesday are in a crisis and Oxford United are dreadful which likely leaves one slot.
I'll be happy if we manage to stay up, but we can't do this again next season, or we are down.
That is called ? A whole new team !
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Could have been safe already if we had signed Kone?ThomasOliver3 said:I don't think you need to spend £20m in the summer and I certainly won't expect it. What we have to do it improve the percentage of signings that are additive to the squad.
Our top scorer this season and only creative spark was a free from L1 as was our best defensive signing. Our biggest fee spent was Kelman who's been a flop, we could have been safe by now if we'd signed Kone instead of Charlie. So the onus will be on getting the recruitment more right, more often not just chucking more cash at it... unfortunately Millwall are a decent example of this.
There will need to be 2-3 great free signings a couple of loans then two or three big fees spent that raise the floor and ceiling of this squad. if we can get more Bell's & Carey's and less Tanto's & JRC's then we'll be able to progress... even more so if NJ can coach some actual attacking football to go alongside it.
Like Collins I think we may have to shop abroad to get value and ability as the talent factory in L1 & L2 seems to have dried up a little this season.
He‘s scored 7 league goals compared to Kelman's 4.Not like he's scored a lot more. Yet you say he could have made us safe and Kelman is a flop.1
