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2026/27 Season Tickets (Pricing and Message from Gavin Carter, pg.8)
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Unfortunately, much of what you say is factually wrong.Martinspringle said:I personally find our ticketing strategy difficult to understand. In many cases, seats are priced higher than those at Premier League London clubs such as West Ham, Brentford and Fulham. While long-time fans will continue to pay, the club will struggle to grow a larger or younger fan base if local supporters can watch Premier League football nearby for less.
The reality is that Charlton used to be a truly local club, and that can no longer be said to be the case. Most current supporters travel in from across Kent rather than the immediate area.
At the same time, week after week the Valley has large numbers of empty seats. Even against Millwall we did not sell out.
If ticket prices were more competitive, the stadium would fill. The evidence is already there: the reasonably priced areas of the ground, such as the North Stand, consistently sell out. That suggests demand exists when the pricing makes sense.
The owners should also recognise that long-term revenue growth does not come from ticket prices alone. A fuller stadium drives atmosphere, loyalty and a larger fan base over time. Particularly in London, where you have so many clubs.
Even in the shorter term, lower ticket prices could be offset through increased sales. Also, bigger attendances bring more spending on food, drink and merchandise. A packed stadium is simply better for the club in every respect.
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It may have been rumoured and/ or come up in discussion groups re membership but there has been no formal consultation that I am aware of via CAST or the AB regarding reduction of away allocation to one per person.Fanny Fanackapan said:And so it begins......
Perhaps now is the time to share the strong "rumour" regarding the Membership Scheme that "our pal Gavin" mentions.
Once again, it is another ploy to " bring us in line" with , allegedly, other clubs & presumably to ensure we're Premiership ready . Another indication IMO of trying to run before we can walk ...or even crawl should the worst happen come May
"Other clubs " ( and I believe Millwall is included) allow ONE away ticket per supporter ie it would appear that you will not be able to purchase for others that you wish to sit with - they will have to buy their own....So, those of us who travel on a regular basis & purchase tickets as a group in order to share the match experience together, would appear to be a thing of the past. Presumably, but I'm not holding my breath, this will mean 2 separate purchases for a parent/carer who take their under 16 year old/s along....
And these away ticket purhases do not even benefit our club financially so why the need for change ?
The mess of allocating points to ID accounts this season has presumably been neglected despite angry fans confronting Ticket Office staff as to the manner in which this currently "works" will be no more, I assume.
So, the bare bones of the proposed ( or possibly already agreed ) Scheme which others have been made aware of in whispers/asides for some time, is due to be announced.
I have no qualms regarding sharing this with you, dear Lifers , as this is going to impact the faithful from next season. GC & co are merely pavng the way for the next piece of news which will soon be landing in our In Boxes.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts, although I have my tin hat ready to be donned...
It's not clear whether some kind of points will still be awarded to away ticket purchasers and whether VG membership will still count in the process but I fear the Academy may well suffer should points count for nothing in the future plus of course the cancellation of the bonus when purchasing a season ticket as announced today.
I'm currently trying to hold back the Tingle in anticipation of the additional benefits mentioned for participating in the MS....
I trust that you will know that I'm posting this purely to share what I have heard . We may be customers to the Board , but we know the vast difference between faithful fans & the derogatory term used during the Belgian reign. And I may be doing an injustice to the money men in misinterpreting what I'd hard but as Mulder & Scully "said" - The truth is out there ".
Perhaps Weegie will read this & comment accordingly as CAST may have been involved in the consultation process along with the Advisory Board. That would be helpful.
Over to you, guys & gals, and if you don't see me in Crossbars tomorrow , you'll know that I've been detained, pending further investigation...or been appointed as the new CEO ....That’s not me saying it’s not going to happen.In the rather limited season ticket consultation process CAST strongly advised against removing the £15 VG discount without a concrete replacement. The club went ahead in any case.5 -
Bit of a theme in the EFL this week. Ask the fans and completely ignore it.Weegie Addick said:
It may have been rumoured but there has been no consultation that I am aware of via CAST or the AB regarding reduction of away allocation to one per person.Fanny Fanackapan said:And so it begins......
Perhaps now is the time to share the strong "rumour" regarding the Membership Scheme that "our pal Gavin" mentions.
Once again, it is another ploy to " bring us in line" with , allegedly, other clubs & presumably to ensure we're Premiership ready . Another indication IMO of trying to run before we can walk ...or even crawl should the worst happen come May
"Other clubs " ( and I believe Millwall is included) allow ONE away ticket per supporter ie it would appear that you will not be able to purchase for others that you wish to sit with - they will have to buy their own....So, those of us who travel on a regular basis & purchase tickets as a group in order to share the match experience together, would appear to be a thing of the past. Presumably, but I'm not holding my breath, this will mean 2 separate purchases for a parent/carer who take their under 16 year old/s along....
And these away ticket purhases do not even benefit our club financially so why the need for change ?
The mess of allocating points to ID accounts this season has presumably been neglected despite angry fans confronting Ticket Office staff as to the manner in which this currently "works" will be no more, I assume.
So, the bare bones of the proposed ( or possibly already agreed ) Scheme which others have been made aware of in whispers/asides for some time, is due to be announced.
I have no qualms regarding sharing this with you, dear Lifers , as this is going to impact the faithful from next season. GC & co are merely pavng the way for the next piece of news which will soon be landing in our In Boxes.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts, although I have my tin hat ready to be donned...
It's not clear whether some kind of points will still be awarded to away ticket purchasers and whether VG membership will still count in the process but I fear the Academy may well suffer should points count for nothing in the future plus of course the cancellation of the bonus when purchasing a season ticket as announced today.
I'm currently trying to hold back the Tingle in anticipation of the additional benefits mentioned for participating in the MS....
I trust that you will know that I'm posting this purely to share what I have heard . We may be customers to the Board , but we know the vast difference between faithful fans & the derogatory term used during the Belgian reign. And I may be doing an injustice to the money men in misinterpreting what I'd hard but as Mulder & Scully "said" - The truth is out there ".
Perhaps Weegie will read this & comment accordingly as CAST may have been involved in the consultation process along with the Advisory Board. That would be helpful.
Over to you, guys & gals, and if you don't see me in Crossbars tomorrow , you'll know that I've been detained, pending further investigation...or been appointed as the new CEO ....That’s not me saying it’s not going to happen.In the rather limited season ticket consultation process CAST strongly advised against removing the £15 VG discount without a concrete replacement. The club went ahead in any case.4 -
I’m sure there will be a lot of people who this doesn’t apply to but I’m actually pleased with the price I’ve been given in the Covered End Lower (Zone 4), I was somewhat expecting a larger increase than £30.4
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Don't forget how many games are changing and won't be on a Saturdayblackpool72 said:Just renewed.
Fuck all else to do on a Saturday2 -
Has anyone done the calculations on what the price increases are vs last year in pounds / percentage?
Appreciate this is me being lazy rather than digging out last year's figures and doing it myself...1 -
For me I said it might be the first year I can’t afford to renew, and now it’s out, I stand by that. For my seat alone is a 19% increase on the price I paid for this season. My salary has not gone up 19% and I provide a better service than the club do for my seat. So add my wife and son in to that, it’s around £1200. Might not seem bad to some, but I don’t have that kind of money to drop on season tickets now, and when you have a 2 year old by the new season starts (he’s been going since he was 4 weeks old, we’ve shown it’s possible) - he needs his own seat and the location of our seats currently allow us to feel secure with him (no one behind us, a pillar blocking one part of the row, familiar faces that also engage with him etc.) we don’t want to move to a totally new part of the ground with the extra stress it will inevitably bring/cause.
The whole no discount and new membership scheme with Valley Gold etc is just a money grab now. The club slipped up before on a matchday announcement and said some of your money for Valley Gold goes towards the academy with the rest into the club. I don’t know if that’s how it’s been for a while but it wasn’t what was sold as Valley Gold when I joined. My idea was that Valley Gold goes towards the academy in whatever way that may be, otherwise why advertise it with photos of academy players if a % of it goes into paying Rodwell’s salary for example? To bring it all in house makes sure the club are saying we want this revenue and we want to maximise it as much as possible by introducing a new membership scheme that you will no doubt have to pay for.
Clubs with membership schemes only work when there is a real demand for tickets. All the while you can walk up on a match day and purchase a ticket for the game, without any problem, these memberships schemes wont work and will in fact work as a way of frustrating fans. And we give away how many free tickets every single week through comps? Work on getting more people through the door on a regular basis at an affordable price and then think about new memberships.
I can see them doing something like £10 for Valley Gold as is now, then if you want the benefits that come with it or a discounted price on your season ticket or whatever it might be, the new rate is say £25 but they’d sell it as you get all of these things included. Yet most you won’t want and now you’re having to pay extra for it, so you’re not saving anything.
Ultimately, of course I want the club to be successful but I also want to be able to go to games with my family as I have been able to, and the prices either don’t match the product or don’t allow for me to do that right now. So of course I am going to be unhappy about it.13 -
Still to this day I am annoyed the club charged me an adult price when I was 17 all because I turned 18 during the season. They owe me money!AFKABartram said:@Jon_CAFC_ I might be wrong, but I think at 12 she no longer qualifies for the U12 rate0 -
That’s because clubs dress it up as engagement and consultation with fans but it’s only ever a case of “we’re letting you know before the announcement, nothing you say will change what we do”. It’s a tick box exercise, a waste of time.The Red Robin said:
Bit of a theme in the EFL this week. Ask the fans and completely ignore it.Weegie Addick said:
It may have been rumoured but there has been no consultation that I am aware of via CAST or the AB regarding reduction of away allocation to one per person.Fanny Fanackapan said:And so it begins......
Perhaps now is the time to share the strong "rumour" regarding the Membership Scheme that "our pal Gavin" mentions.
Once again, it is another ploy to " bring us in line" with , allegedly, other clubs & presumably to ensure we're Premiership ready . Another indication IMO of trying to run before we can walk ...or even crawl should the worst happen come May
"Other clubs " ( and I believe Millwall is included) allow ONE away ticket per supporter ie it would appear that you will not be able to purchase for others that you wish to sit with - they will have to buy their own....So, those of us who travel on a regular basis & purchase tickets as a group in order to share the match experience together, would appear to be a thing of the past. Presumably, but I'm not holding my breath, this will mean 2 separate purchases for a parent/carer who take their under 16 year old/s along....
And these away ticket purhases do not even benefit our club financially so why the need for change ?
The mess of allocating points to ID accounts this season has presumably been neglected despite angry fans confronting Ticket Office staff as to the manner in which this currently "works" will be no more, I assume.
So, the bare bones of the proposed ( or possibly already agreed ) Scheme which others have been made aware of in whispers/asides for some time, is due to be announced.
I have no qualms regarding sharing this with you, dear Lifers , as this is going to impact the faithful from next season. GC & co are merely pavng the way for the next piece of news which will soon be landing in our In Boxes.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts, although I have my tin hat ready to be donned...
It's not clear whether some kind of points will still be awarded to away ticket purchasers and whether VG membership will still count in the process but I fear the Academy may well suffer should points count for nothing in the future plus of course the cancellation of the bonus when purchasing a season ticket as announced today.
I'm currently trying to hold back the Tingle in anticipation of the additional benefits mentioned for participating in the MS....
I trust that you will know that I'm posting this purely to share what I have heard . We may be customers to the Board , but we know the vast difference between faithful fans & the derogatory term used during the Belgian reign. And I may be doing an injustice to the money men in misinterpreting what I'd hard but as Mulder & Scully "said" - The truth is out there ".
Perhaps Weegie will read this & comment accordingly as CAST may have been involved in the consultation process along with the Advisory Board. That would be helpful.
Over to you, guys & gals, and if you don't see me in Crossbars tomorrow , you'll know that I've been detained, pending further investigation...or been appointed as the new CEO ....That’s not me saying it’s not going to happen.In the rather limited season ticket consultation process CAST strongly advised against removing the £15 VG discount without a concrete replacement. The club went ahead in any case.
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You should maybe have a word with yourself. You're a 'CAST' member and acting like a petulant 4 year old. Surely you support the team not a seat.bobmunro said:ElfsborgAddick said:
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
I'll buy the whole of the 1905 suite, leave it empty, sit in our seats and with no other prawn sandwich merchants anywhere near us.1 -
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When you've bought all the tickets, post the receipt here for us all to marvel at.bobmunro said:ElfsborgAddick said:
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
I'll buy the whole of the 1905 suite, leave it empty, sit in our seats and with no other prawn sandwich merchants anywhere near us.0 -
lonman said:
You should maybe have a word with yourself. You're a 'CAST' member and acting like a petulant 4 year old. Surely you support the team not a seat.bobmunro said:ElfsborgAddick said:
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
I'll buy the whole of the 1905 suite, leave it empty, sit in our seats and with no other prawn sandwich merchants anywhere near us.It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to another tongue in cheek comment that I had been priced out.As for being a petulant 4 year old, well ...
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To be fair I’d be pretty annoyed if I got punted out of my long term seat for some marketing innovation which will last five minutes.lonman said:
You should maybe have a word with yourself. You're a 'CAST' member and acting like a petulant 4 year old. Surely you support the team not a seat.bobmunro said:ElfsborgAddick said:
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
I'll buy the whole of the 1905 suite, leave it empty, sit in our seats and with no other prawn sandwich merchants anywhere near us.11 -
Just Renewed £491.50. Good Value. Almost everything goes up in price every year, Clubs costs have increased. I expect to pay more.4
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And therein lies just one of the problems, can someone articulate why at this juncture I should still continue with 3x VG membership?Weegie Addick said:
It may have been rumoured and/ or come up in discussion groups re membership but there has been no formal consultation that I am aware of via CAST or the AB regarding reduction of away allocation to one per person.Fanny Fanackapan said:And so it begins......
Perhaps now is the time to share the strong "rumour" regarding the Membership Scheme that "our pal Gavin" mentions.
Once again, it is another ploy to " bring us in line" with , allegedly, other clubs & presumably to ensure we're Premiership ready . Another indication IMO of trying to run before we can walk ...or even crawl should the worst happen come May
"Other clubs " ( and I believe Millwall is included) allow ONE away ticket per supporter ie it would appear that you will not be able to purchase for others that you wish to sit with - they will have to buy their own....So, those of us who travel on a regular basis & purchase tickets as a group in order to share the match experience together, would appear to be a thing of the past. Presumably, but I'm not holding my breath, this will mean 2 separate purchases for a parent/carer who take their under 16 year old/s along....
And these away ticket purhases do not even benefit our club financially so why the need for change ?
The mess of allocating points to ID accounts this season has presumably been neglected despite angry fans confronting Ticket Office staff as to the manner in which this currently "works" will be no more, I assume.
So, the bare bones of the proposed ( or possibly already agreed ) Scheme which others have been made aware of in whispers/asides for some time, is due to be announced.
I have no qualms regarding sharing this with you, dear Lifers , as this is going to impact the faithful from next season. GC & co are merely pavng the way for the next piece of news which will soon be landing in our In Boxes.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts, although I have my tin hat ready to be donned...
It's not clear whether some kind of points will still be awarded to away ticket purchasers and whether VG membership will still count in the process but I fear the Academy may well suffer should points count for nothing in the future plus of course the cancellation of the bonus when purchasing a season ticket as announced today.
I'm currently trying to hold back the Tingle in anticipation of the additional benefits mentioned for participating in the MS....
I trust that you will know that I'm posting this purely to share what I have heard . We may be customers to the Board , but we know the vast difference between faithful fans & the derogatory term used during the Belgian reign. And I may be doing an injustice to the money men in misinterpreting what I'd hard but as Mulder & Scully "said" - The truth is out there ".
Perhaps Weegie will read this & comment accordingly as CAST may have been involved in the consultation process along with the Advisory Board. That would be helpful.
Over to you, guys & gals, and if you don't see me in Crossbars tomorrow , you'll know that I've been detained, pending further investigation...or been appointed as the new CEO ....That’s not me saying it’s not going to happen.In the rather limited season ticket consultation process CAST strongly advised against removing the £15 VG discount without a concrete replacement. The club went ahead in any case.1 -
Thing is it’s not ‘your seat’se9addick said:
To be fair I’d be pretty annoyed if I got punted out of my long term seat for some marketing innovation which will last five minutes.lonman said:
You should maybe have a word with yourself. You're a 'CAST' member and acting like a petulant 4 year old. Surely you support the team not a seat.bobmunro said:ElfsborgAddick said:
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
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£1,620 for my group of 8. Still good value in the family stand. Probably the only thing in life where having kids has saved me money!2
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lonman said:
Thing is it’s not ‘your seat’se9addick said:
To be fair I’d be pretty annoyed if I got punted out of my long term seat for some marketing innovation which will last five minutes.lonman said:
You should maybe have a word with yourself. You're a 'CAST' member and acting like a petulant 4 year old. Surely you support the team not a seat.bobmunro said:ElfsborgAddick said:
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
I'll buy the whole of the 1905 suite, leave it empty, sit in our seats and with no other prawn sandwich merchants anywhere near us.Yes, yes, yes. Somebody has already posted this:As I said earlier in this thread, there is no security of tenure and the club have every right to disable the ability to renew, and indeed block anyone from buying a season ticket anywhere. That is their prerogative.
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Lost an i in the fight with Killer.Covered End said:
Flanagan.golfaddick said:
AND we had Killer & Flannigan knocking 'em in with regularity !!SporadicAddick said:
There was much less to do on a Saturday in the 70's and 80's - the ground was never at capacity then either.Kindoncasella said:
Ironically, i'd imagine the opposite is part of the problem why the ground is never at capacity.blackpool72 said:Just renewed.
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Ironic you mention nothing goes up on price, when we have Valley Gold which has never increased in price since its inception in 1989.lonman said:Just Renewed £491.50. Good Value. Almost everything goes up in price every year, Clubs costs have increased. I expect to pay more.
The club are so right to review Valley Gold and its actual 'worth' but all this should have been sorted long before Season Tickets went on sale for next season10 -
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Valley Gold is not run by the club
because legally it’s a lottery and therefore can’t be operated by the club
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Why would you expect to pay more ? The club is running a business where every match it has thousands of seats not being used. Raising season ticket prices just increases the likelihood of those seats remaining unused.lonman said:Just Renewed £491.50. Good Value. Almost everything goes up in price every year, Clubs costs have increased. I expect to pay more.7 -
Correct and that is why the club is right to review is the contribution they receive from Valley Gold, would it be more beneficial for them (and possibly supporters) to get rid of the lottery aspect and have cheaper for supporters membership scheme for supporters that was run in house?SE9toDA2 said:Valley Gold is not run by the club
because legally it’s a lottery and therefore can’t be operated by the club
Therefore the club can’t stop it running they can however refuse to give the previous agreed benefits like priority to tickets and discount on season tickets
I'm only in VG for Away ticket priority (and that is wrong as the only scheme for away priority should be for those who go away the most). Get rid of the priority aspect of VG and that £120 stays with me.
We all know that if VG stopped, the club would not then shut down the Academy.
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Given the large number of home games live on TV I imagine sales will just drop off. The football we are playing at present offers little entertainment.
Desperately need to stay up.1 -
I agree VG is looking likely to become irrelevant. I’ll hold fire for a month or so, but looks like I’d be better saving my £360 a year for elsewhere.JohnnyH2 said:
Correct and that is why the club is right to review is the contribution they receive from Valley Gold, would it be more beneficial for them (and possibly supporters) to get rid of the lottery aspect and have cheaper for supporters membership scheme for supporters that was run in house?SE9toDA2 said:Valley Gold is not run by the club
because legally it’s a lottery and therefore can’t be operated by the club
Therefore the club can’t stop it running they can however refuse to give the previous agreed benefits like priority to tickets and discount on season tickets
I'm only in VG for Away ticket priority (and that is wrong as the only scheme for away priority should be for those who go away the most). Get rid of the priority aspect of VG and that £120 stays with me.
We all know that if VG stopped, the club would not then shut down the Academy.0 -
Well I paid £490 last year and will pay £435 this year, I cant remember what I paid the year before last but I suspect that means I'm paying roughly the same as 2 years ago, and that's for a better standard of opposition !PeaksAndValleys said:Has anyone done the calculations on what the price increases are vs last year in pounds / percentage?
Appreciate this is me being lazy rather than digging out last year's figures and doing it myself...
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I think it’s important that fans are reminded that, if they cannot afford to renew/buy fully upfront, there is the option of the V12 finance options
Fans can spread the cost of the season ticket across 4 months, or 10 months.
So whilst the cost has gone up for many, there is still the option to break it down into more manageable chunks.
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Where do you sit Sage and isn’t there a cheaper block a little further away?Sage said:For me I said it might be the first year I can’t afford to renew, and now it’s out, I stand by that. For my seat alone is a 19% increase on the price I paid for this season. My salary has not gone up 19% and I provide a better service than the club do for my seat. So add my wife and son in to that, it’s around £1200. Might not seem bad to some, but I don’t have that kind of money to drop on season tickets now, and when you have a 2 year old by the new season starts (he’s been going since he was 4 weeks old, we’ve shown it’s possible) - he needs his own seat and the location of our seats currently allow us to feel secure with him (no one behind us, a pillar blocking one part of the row, familiar faces that also engage with him etc.) we don’t want to move to a totally new part of the ground with the extra stress it will inevitably bring/cause.
The whole no discount and new membership scheme with Valley Gold etc is just a money grab now. The club slipped up before on a matchday announcement and said some of your money for Valley Gold goes towards the academy with the rest into the club. I don’t know if that’s how it’s been for a while but it wasn’t what was sold as Valley Gold when I joined. My idea was that Valley Gold goes towards the academy in whatever way that may be, otherwise why advertise it with photos of academy players if a % of it goes into paying Rodwell’s salary for example? To bring it all in house makes sure the club are saying we want this revenue and we want to maximise it as much as possible by introducing a new membership scheme that you will no doubt have to pay for.
Clubs with membership schemes only work when there is a real demand for tickets. All the while you can walk up on a match day and purchase a ticket for the game, without any problem, these memberships schemes wont work and will in fact work as a way of frustrating fans. And we give away how many free tickets every single week through comps? Work on getting more people through the door on a regular basis at an affordable price and then think about new memberships.
I can see them doing something like £10 for Valley Gold as is now, then if you want the benefits that come with it or a discounted price on your season ticket or whatever it might be, the new rate is say £25 but they’d sell it as you get all of these things included. Yet most you won’t want and now you’re having to pay extra for it, so you’re not saving anything.
Ultimately, of course I want the club to be successful but I also want to be able to go to games with my family as I have been able to, and the prices either don’t match the product or don’t allow for me to do that right now. So of course I am going to be unhappy about it.
What about the Family Stand?
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Absolutely. It’s not genuine public involvement, it’s box-ticking.Sage said:
That’s because clubs dress it up as engagement and consultation with fans but it’s only ever a case of “we’re letting you know before the announcement, nothing you say will change what we do”. It’s a tick box exercise, a waste of time.The Red Robin said:
Bit of a theme in the EFL this week. Ask the fans and completely ignore it.Weegie Addick said:
It may have been rumoured but there has been no consultation that I am aware of via CAST or the AB regarding reduction of away allocation to one per person.Fanny Fanackapan said:And so it begins......
Perhaps now is the time to share the strong "rumour" regarding the Membership Scheme that "our pal Gavin" mentions.
Once again, it is another ploy to " bring us in line" with , allegedly, other clubs & presumably to ensure we're Premiership ready . Another indication IMO of trying to run before we can walk ...or even crawl should the worst happen come May
"Other clubs " ( and I believe Millwall is included) allow ONE away ticket per supporter ie it would appear that you will not be able to purchase for others that you wish to sit with - they will have to buy their own....So, those of us who travel on a regular basis & purchase tickets as a group in order to share the match experience together, would appear to be a thing of the past. Presumably, but I'm not holding my breath, this will mean 2 separate purchases for a parent/carer who take their under 16 year old/s along....
And these away ticket purhases do not even benefit our club financially so why the need for change ?
The mess of allocating points to ID accounts this season has presumably been neglected despite angry fans confronting Ticket Office staff as to the manner in which this currently "works" will be no more, I assume.
So, the bare bones of the proposed ( or possibly already agreed ) Scheme which others have been made aware of in whispers/asides for some time, is due to be announced.
I have no qualms regarding sharing this with you, dear Lifers , as this is going to impact the faithful from next season. GC & co are merely pavng the way for the next piece of news which will soon be landing in our In Boxes.
It will be interesting to hear your thoughts, although I have my tin hat ready to be donned...
It's not clear whether some kind of points will still be awarded to away ticket purchasers and whether VG membership will still count in the process but I fear the Academy may well suffer should points count for nothing in the future plus of course the cancellation of the bonus when purchasing a season ticket as announced today.
I'm currently trying to hold back the Tingle in anticipation of the additional benefits mentioned for participating in the MS....
I trust that you will know that I'm posting this purely to share what I have heard . We may be customers to the Board , but we know the vast difference between faithful fans & the derogatory term used during the Belgian reign. And I may be doing an injustice to the money men in misinterpreting what I'd hard but as Mulder & Scully "said" - The truth is out there ".
Perhaps Weegie will read this & comment accordingly as CAST may have been involved in the consultation process along with the Advisory Board. That would be helpful.
Over to you, guys & gals, and if you don't see me in Crossbars tomorrow , you'll know that I've been detained, pending further investigation...or been appointed as the new CEO ....That’s not me saying it’s not going to happen.In the rather limited season ticket consultation process CAST strongly advised against removing the £15 VG discount without a concrete replacement. The club went ahead in any case.
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letthegoodtimesroll said:
Why would you expect to pay more ? The club is running a business where every match it has thousands of seats not being used. Raising season ticket prices just increases the likelihood of those seats remaining unused.lonman said:Just Renewed £491.50. Good Value. Almost everything goes up in price every year, Clubs costs have increased. I expect to pay more.Everything costs more now than a year or 2 ago. Cinema, dinner out, pint in the pub, car tyres literally everything. The assumption by many on here that Charlton season tickets or Charlton are immune to increased cost pressure is for the birds.The back of the fag packet economic argument that you’ll make more by selling more seats is stuff of fantasy. If that’s the case the cinema would cost a fiver rather than a tenner, a pint would cost 3quid and not 7. I’m no economist nor have any experience in price modelling. But the argument that if it’s full you make more is nonsensical.
there will be a sweet spot somewhere in terms of revenue - costs = profit and I guess that’s where all businesses try to be Charlton being no different.0
