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If you can find a player with TCs pace and dribbling 1v1 ability, that can also cover 10-12km a game if needed, and also has end product, then you’d probably need at least £10m to buy him so good luckMartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.
TC has attributes that are very rare, and not easy to replace. The club will rightly go with the approach of continuing to work with TC to turn him into that player, if the fans don’t abuse him into wanting to leave that is
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Tbf, he could make more effort to get back onside at times.hezzla said:
He was getting pelters from someone today for not competing for the ball when he was clearly coming back from an offside position. People seeing what they want at this point.altrinchamaddick said:
That's because, as a professional footballer, he assessed quickly that he had no chance of chasing the ball down, so conserved his energy for a realistic opportunity.IR94 said:There was a proper strange moment today where a long ball and he literally ran away from the ball like he was playing dodgeball, one of the most surreal things I have seen on a football field.
This is the sort of comment that I find so frustrating, making out that he bottled it, but in reality made the correct footballing decision.
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His job was to compete for the second ball off Dykes going for the first ball. It was a terrible kick by Mannion, TC probably thought Dykes must have been nearer as that’s where the kick went so got out of the way for Dykes to go for it, which they had been doing all game. But this time the kick was no where near DykesIR94 said:
Do you remember the moment I am talking about? it was a long ball and he ran out of the way to almost avoid the ball, it was more enery to get away the wayaltrinchamaddick said:
That's because, as a professional footballer, he assessed quickly that he had no chance of chasing the ball down, so conserved his energy for a realistic opportunity.IR94 said:There was a proper strange moment today where a long ball and he literally ran away from the ball like he was playing dodgeball, one of the most surreal things I have seen on a football field.
This is the sort of comment that I find so frustrating, making out that he bottled it, but in reality made the correct footballing decision.0 -
Round and around and around and around and around we go with this. Hopefully we cash in on him in the summer, unless we have a change of formation, probably best for both parties.2
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I wasn’t impressed with him yesterday, he looked a bit lost. But overall I think he’s an asset to the team and gives us more good days than bad.5
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He probably could if he wasn’t also running 10-12km regularly and expecting to be moved to WB where he needs more energy. He can’t be flat out all the timeCroydon said:
Tbf, he could make more effort to get back onside at times.hezzla said:
He was getting pelters from someone today for not competing for the ball when he was clearly coming back from an offside position. People seeing what they want at this point.altrinchamaddick said:
That's because, as a professional footballer, he assessed quickly that he had no chance of chasing the ball down, so conserved his energy for a realistic opportunity.IR94 said:There was a proper strange moment today where a long ball and he literally ran away from the ball like he was playing dodgeball, one of the most surreal things I have seen on a football field.
This is the sort of comment that I find so frustrating, making out that he bottled it, but in reality made the correct footballing decision.4 -
People shout at him for standing offside on our free kicks too, even though it’s literally a deliberate tactic that so many teams use. This is why it’s ridiculous because most of the abuse I hear is when he hasn’t even done anything wrongfenaddick said:
He probably could if he wasn’t also running 10-12km regularly and expecting to be moved to WB where he needs more energy. He can’t be flat out all the timeCroydon said:
Tbf, he could make more effort to get back onside at times.hezzla said:
He was getting pelters from someone today for not competing for the ball when he was clearly coming back from an offside position. People seeing what they want at this point.altrinchamaddick said:
That's because, as a professional footballer, he assessed quickly that he had no chance of chasing the ball down, so conserved his energy for a realistic opportunity.IR94 said:There was a proper strange moment today where a long ball and he literally ran away from the ball like he was playing dodgeball, one of the most surreal things I have seen on a football field.
This is the sort of comment that I find so frustrating, making out that he bottled it, but in reality made the correct footballing decision.8 -
NJ wants 2 or 3 more players in the squad who offer what TC does.
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And that is why he plays. At the moment we don’t have anyone else than can do what he does. In the game yesterday, did we create any chances from open play that weren’t from TC? I don’t think so. If he wasn’t playing we’d create even less than we do now and be even more reliant on set piecesScoham said:NJ wants 2 or 3 more players in the squad who offer what TC does.9 -
At the end of the day if there’s no end product then all the pace and skill in the world doesn’t count for anything.NabySarr said:
If you can find a player with TCs pace and dribbling 1v1 ability, that can also cover 10-12km a game if needed, and also has end product, then you’d probably need at least £10m to buy him so good luckMartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.
TC has attributes that are very rare, and not easy to replace. The club will rightly go with the approach of continuing to work with TC to turn him into that player, if the fans don’t abuse him into wanting to leave that is
He clearly has both which is the most frustrating thing of all, he just doesn’t believe it in himself. He did it for the last 20 mins or so yesterday where he showed he can have end product but we’re not seeing him deliver and seeing it turn into more goals and assists is the only way.Goals win games and the fact one of our main attacking outlets has scored 3 goals all season is one of the reasons we’re 18th which is fine this season but my whole point is if we want to kick on next season then either he needs to deliver more or replace him with someone else even if it means changing how we play. Dykes for example doesn’t have the pace and skill of TC but is only 1 goal behind and probably has more goal contributions having only signed in January.2 -
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And because he is a wing-back and isn't expected to score goals... The fact he is getting into so many good goalscoring positions while being solid defensively is a testament to his workratesuperclive98 said:
Maybe because he busts a gut in every game, trying to drive us forward._uptheaddicks said:A real shame to hear some fans reaction.
Let's take Harry Clarke for example. He's likeable and liked by fans, but essentially nobody is focusing on him for missing some absolute sitters that have cost us between 6-9 points essentially.4 -
Tyreece is an old fashioned terms, an out and out winger, when given that freedom he takes 3 players out of the defense to cope with him, what could be asked is why the other forwards and midfielders do not use the space this gives them to get into attacking positions.
People do not give him credit when he gets back to help the defense, more so than Chambers when he has being playing forward of the half way line.
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Every team needs some pace in it, don’t think it is as simple as changing our style so we don’t need that type of player. We’ve seen how turgid our football can be, as I said imagine yesterday’s game without TC, we would have created nothing in open play.MartinCAFC said:
At the end of the day if there’s no end product then all the pace and skill in the world doesn’t count for anything.NabySarr said:
If you can find a player with TCs pace and dribbling 1v1 ability, that can also cover 10-12km a game if needed, and also has end product, then you’d probably need at least £10m to buy him so good luckMartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.
TC has attributes that are very rare, and not easy to replace. The club will rightly go with the approach of continuing to work with TC to turn him into that player, if the fans don’t abuse him into wanting to leave that is
He clearly has both which is the most frustrating thing of all, he just doesn’t believe it in himself. He did it for the last 20 mins or so yesterday where he showed he can have end product but we’re not seeing him deliver and seeing it turn into more goals and assists is the only way.Goals win games and the fact one of our main attacking outlets has scored 3 goals all season is one of the reasons we’re 18th which is fine this season but my whole point is if we want to kick on next season then either he needs to deliver more or replace him with someone else even if it means changing how we play. Dykes for example doesn’t have the pace and skill of TC but is only 1 goal behind and probably has more goal contributions having only signed in January.TC definitely needs to deliver more. But we are more likely to get him to deliver more than we are to sign a player that can do all that he does and also have end product. Be lucky to find that for under £10m2 -
We need to get back to playing how we played in the second half of last season when Jones changed the shape and our winning run started to have TC out wide on the left and Small out wide on the right. That style of play with two attacking wide outlets brought the best out of TC.NabySarr said:
Every team needs some pace in it, don’t think it is as simple as changing our style so we don’t need that type of player. We’ve seen how turgid our football can be, as I said imagine yesterday’s game without TC, we would have created nothing in open play.MartinCAFC said:
At the end of the day if there’s no end product then all the pace and skill in the world doesn’t count for anything.NabySarr said:
If you can find a player with TCs pace and dribbling 1v1 ability, that can also cover 10-12km a game if needed, and also has end product, then you’d probably need at least £10m to buy him so good luckMartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.
TC has attributes that are very rare, and not easy to replace. The club will rightly go with the approach of continuing to work with TC to turn him into that player, if the fans don’t abuse him into wanting to leave that is
He clearly has both which is the most frustrating thing of all, he just doesn’t believe it in himself. He did it for the last 20 mins or so yesterday where he showed he can have end product but we’re not seeing him deliver and seeing it turn into more goals and assists is the only way.Goals win games and the fact one of our main attacking outlets has scored 3 goals all season is one of the reasons we’re 18th which is fine this season but my whole point is if we want to kick on next season then either he needs to deliver more or replace him with someone else even if it means changing how we play. Dykes for example doesn’t have the pace and skill of TC but is only 1 goal behind and probably has more goal contributions having only signed in January.TC definitely needs to deliver more. But we are more likely to get him to deliver more than we are to sign a player that can do all that he does and also have end product. Be lucky to find that for under £10m
You’re right those players are hard to find and not being able to replace Small like for like has definitely impacted on TC’s game but next season something has to change. Either the shape or TC’s place in the team as a starter.0 -
I think NJ wanted that, that’s why we signed Apter and why we’ve seen Fevrier played on the opposite flank in a 451 at times. When we’re properly safe I would be interested to see us play a 433/4231 with TC and Fev/an academy player on the wings. it probably wouldn’t work due to the quality of the player on the right wing but it would be interesting to see how Carey and a lone striker can interact when there’s a lot of widthMartinCAFC said:
We need to get back to playing how we played in the second half of last season when Jones changed the shape and our winning run started to have TC out wide on the left and Small out wide on the right. That style of play with two attacking wide outlets brought the best out of TC.NabySarr said:
Every team needs some pace in it, don’t think it is as simple as changing our style so we don’t need that type of player. We’ve seen how turgid our football can be, as I said imagine yesterday’s game without TC, we would have created nothing in open play.MartinCAFC said:
At the end of the day if there’s no end product then all the pace and skill in the world doesn’t count for anything.NabySarr said:
If you can find a player with TCs pace and dribbling 1v1 ability, that can also cover 10-12km a game if needed, and also has end product, then you’d probably need at least £10m to buy him so good luckMartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.
TC has attributes that are very rare, and not easy to replace. The club will rightly go with the approach of continuing to work with TC to turn him into that player, if the fans don’t abuse him into wanting to leave that is
He clearly has both which is the most frustrating thing of all, he just doesn’t believe it in himself. He did it for the last 20 mins or so yesterday where he showed he can have end product but we’re not seeing him deliver and seeing it turn into more goals and assists is the only way.Goals win games and the fact one of our main attacking outlets has scored 3 goals all season is one of the reasons we’re 18th which is fine this season but my whole point is if we want to kick on next season then either he needs to deliver more or replace him with someone else even if it means changing how we play. Dykes for example doesn’t have the pace and skill of TC but is only 1 goal behind and probably has more goal contributions having only signed in January.TC definitely needs to deliver more. But we are more likely to get him to deliver more than we are to sign a player that can do all that he does and also have end product. Be lucky to find that for under £10m
You’re right those players are hard to find and not being able to replace Small like for like has definitely impacted on TC’s game but next season something has to change. Either the shape or TC’s place in the team as a starter.0 -
For that to work you need a strong and mobile back 4 and 2 DMs that are more athletic than Docherty and Coventry
Kaminski
Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
Coventry Docherty
Apter Carey Campbell
Kelman
Is probably the best way we could implement a 4231 when everyone's fit, but it would signal a big shift in recruitment and the way we play if we we did it
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That’s the problem though, that team would be lower in the league table than we are now. Apter and Campbell aren’t good enough to justify the system change and Kelman up top on his own in the championship would really strugglesam3110 said:For that to work you need a strong and mobile back 4 and 2 DMs that are more athletic than Docherty and Coventry
Kaminski
Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
Coventry Docherty
Apter Carey Campbell
Kelman
Is probably the best way we could implement a 4231 when everyone's fit, but it would signal a big shift in recruitment and the way we play if we we did it
I can’t see us pivoting from 3-5-2 in the future, it just is the best fit for the squad even if it isn’t the best fit for TC. I like him but he isn’t a good enough player to justify changing our shape for2 -
Depends where you sit. I’m in west upper and there’s a group at back of stand giving him dogs abuse every week, even when he plays well. Yesterday they were chanting “Campbell is a W****r” during the first half.The Red Robin said:
To be fair you don’t hear anything in the West Stand.2121 said:Where does he get abuse tho?! I sit west upper and dont hear it.1 -
Is it that much of a shift from what we need recruitment wise anyway? We need an attacking threat on the right and an upgrade in the middle regardless. I’m not saying it’s how I think we should aim to primarily play but it would be a nice option0
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This thread goes round and round in circles.
Campbell is the epitome of a marmite player.
You either love him or don't like him and people just dig in and double on their opinion of him.
I think the level of abuse he gets at times is over the top ,but also those who refuse to acknowledge his faults and defend him regardless is also just as bad.9 -
NJ's view and your view is exactly bang on with this - yes, he's frustrating but if we had 3 TC's or a TC and 2 better but similar that we could rotate, we'd be laughing - that and some more ability in the middle are the main challenges in the summer.NabySarr said:
And that is why he plays. At the moment we don’t have anyone else than can do what he does. In the game yesterday, did we create any chances from open play that weren’t from TC? I don’t think so. If he wasn’t playing we’d create even less than we do now and be even more reliant on set piecesScoham said:NJ wants 2 or 3 more players in the squad who offer what TC does.3 -
Yeah I know it would be, that's why I'm saying you'd need to upgrade itNabySarr said:
That’s the problem though, that team would be lower in the league table than we are now. Apter and Campbell aren’t good enough to justify the system change and Kelman up top on his own in the championship would really strugglesam3110 said:For that to work you need a strong and mobile back 4 and 2 DMs that are more athletic than Docherty and Coventry
Kaminski
Ramsay Jones Bell Edwards
Coventry Docherty
Apter Carey Campbell
Kelman
Is probably the best way we could implement a 4231 when everyone's fit, but it would signal a big shift in recruitment and the way we play if we we did it
I can’t see us pivoting from 3-5-2 in the future, it just is the best fit for the squad even if it isn’t the best fit for TC. I like him but he isn’t a good enough player to justify changing our shape for
Kelman thrived in League 1 playing alone up top, the difference is he had a lot of chances created for him because of the way Orient were geared to play.
We could do similar, but it would need a proper playmaker as one of the double pivot, someone with a much better passing range than both Coventry and Docherty. It would also need a number 10 that also picks a mean pass instead of just shooting all the time (I like Carey but it's one of his main weaknesses) and 2 wingers that get early balls into the box
Apter showed signs of that early in the season but not consistently enough, and it's not TCs game as he relies on cutting inside to shoot0 -
Yep, I think it’s not easy at all to upgrade TC. A similar player with end product isn’t going to be in our price range. We need alternatives though, so when TC is out of form like he is now, then he doesn’t need to start every gameDOUCHER said:
NJ's view and your view is exactly bang on with this - yes, he's frustrating but if we had 3 TC's or a TC and 2 better but similar that we could rotate, we'd be laughing - that and some more ability in the middle are the main challenges in the summer.NabySarr said:
And that is why he plays. At the moment we don’t have anyone else than can do what he does. In the game yesterday, did we create any chances from open play that weren’t from TC? I don’t think so. If he wasn’t playing we’d create even less than we do now and be even more reliant on set piecesScoham said:NJ wants 2 or 3 more players in the squad who offer what TC does.Don’t think Apter or Fevrier are the answer, but does show it’s difficult to sign the right answer. Hopefully can get it right this summer2 -
Charlton fans have been abusing him almost since he has appeared in the first team, remember the Gillingham FA cup game 2023, he received so much abuse, I sat at the very front of that dangerous stand, and when he was taking a corner dozens rushed to front to give the most appalling verbal abuse, he will have heard it as they were only 34 or 5 yards away.iainment said:
I’m in the West Upper Block L and I heard people moaning about him. But not loudly.2121 said:Where does he get abuse tho?! I sit west upper and dont hear it.
It is a Charlton supporters thing, to abuse our youth products as soon as possible, for example Konsa got it at the Millwall game we lost 3-1 and for most of his appearances, even Kanu was starting to get abused before he went out on loan. If I was Tyreece I would be looking to move on as quickly as possible.0 -
I always feel a bit frustrated with TC as I believe the talent is there but, invariably, once he gets the ball it all becomes a bit of a let down. There might well be a number of reasons for that - the fact that he is our major threat on the ball and the opposition know that means that they do "double up" on him.
There is one other aspect to all of this though. And that is the confines within which he is allowed to play and the repercussions of what happens when he loses the ball trying to do something. It isn't just the crowd that will get on his back. As soon as he gets back to the dressing room, if he's lost the ball in a dangerous position, then NJ won't probably be saying to him "never mind, keep doing that". The way we set up and fact that we don't even average a goal a game, we cannot afford mistakes that result in an opposition goal.
Eventually players like TC become afraid to try things. Instinct is overtaken by fear. There then becomes a lack of commitment. The confidence disappears. He starts to become annonymous. Now I am in no way comparing TC to Ginola. But what Keegan told him was to go out there and ruin the opposition. He was exempt from helping John Beresford defensively. Under George Graham it was completely different where the expectation was that he had to defend too. He wasn't the same player.
I'm not for one minute suggesting that we can give TC that total free reign. What has to happen, though, is that his commitment to try things, time and time again, is restored. We have enough water carriers.
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You do talk some absolute shiteWeegie Addick said:
There were plenty today in NU who did want him to fail and encouraged it by booing our own player.MartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.0 -
I am in the West Stand upper, and I heard the booing of TC, if not him they were booing tell us who it was that they were booing.arny23394 said:
You do talk some absolute shiteWeegie Addick said:
There were plenty today in NU who did want him to fail and encouraged it by booing our own player.MartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.0 -
I don’t really understand that the opinion on TC has to be either he is an academy player and have excuses for every mistake he makes or he is the worst player on the pitch. Right now he probably has had more struggles than positives but he is young and has a skill set (pace off the dribble) that we don’t have anywhere else in the squad. In an ideal world, he should be more of an impact sub but given squad limitations and a little bit of NJ stubbornness, he is going to be starting for the rest of the season so we should be getting behind him on match day not booing him.2
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Think it’s quite obvious to us all that TC does not respond well to booing and abuse (who does?). So surely those booing/abusing him know that doing so is going to make him worse? And therefore they do want him to fail as otherwise they wouldn’t be doing itarny23394 said:
You do talk some absolute shiteWeegie Addick said:
There were plenty today in NU who did want him to fail and encouraged it by booing our own player.MartinCAFC said:End of the day not even based on just today but over the course of the season he's not good enough if we want to rise any higher than 18th in the table. In 39 league games he's scored 3 goals. Nobody wants to see him fail, we all wanted to see him succeed but he hasn't stepped up to this level. Nothing to need to boo him over but if we want to kick on next season we need to upgrade on him in the summer.1
