Tyreece Campbell thread

queensland_addick

I've come up with another theory for his poor form and demeanor.
We all agree that's he's an extremely shy lad who hates being in the spotlight.
But the way we play, especially this season, means that he, as the main attacking force, is in the spotlight probably more than any other player.

When he was playing alongside JRS or Thierry Small, it was different, as they took the spotlight away from him.
If TC was off form, it didn't matter so much, as we could attack down the other wing also.

ATM there is too much pressure on him to perform, and he simply cannot cope with that extra mental pressure.

In a more attack minded team, with more creative midfielders, it may be completely different!

Todds_right_hook

fenaddick said:

EugenesAxe said:

fenaddick said:

EugenesAxe said:

I do think perhaps it’s because he's reached his ceiling, any thoughts?

I think he’s just knackered. He’s not had a break for ages, I’m surprised he hasn’t picked up an injury really

But, arguably I know, he's been this inconsistent for a while now.

He has but he didn’t get any time off last summer or during international breaks. That’s two years nearly of non stop football two times a week. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be performing better but it is a factor that shouldn’t be ignored. How many other of our players have had that schedule? 

He gets more time off than me and I’m not as poor at my job as he is at his. 

Todds_right_hook

Crispywood said:

Don’t think TC looks like a player that wants to play for us anymore and honestly I don’t blame him. Charlton isn’t the right environment for him and neither is he the right player for us. Don’t think this is a good match for either party at present both definitely need to go in different directions 

Based on?

O-Randy-Hunt

Well I asked for a bit of effort before the game yesterday and the movement and effort in this clip was just beautiful. Pure commitment. Obviously knackered 43 minutes into the game.

https://x.com/i/status/2032810085827670378

ShootersHillGuru

Not a striker and never will be. He’s a wide player that’s at his best cutting in from wide and any goals he gets will in my humble opinion always be from those situations. Definitely not lazy or disinterested and like most wide player delight and frustrate in equal measure. I’d like him to work on his crossing and final decision making but he’s a Championship level player who I think has had a lot asked of him given his age and experience. 

NabySarr

Had a shocking game yesterday but don’t think it was helped by the fact he played 4 different positions across the 90 minutes. Jones really should have subbed him off as it was so clearly not going to be his day 

He looks absolutely knackered which isn’t surprising given how little rest he’s had over the last 2 years. We need to take him out of the starting eleven and just use him off the bench, and hope Jamaica don’t qualify for the World Cup so he can a long overdue rest 

Away end was horrible yesterday too, bloke next to me didn’t sing, shout or say anything at all the whole game, but whenever TC did anything he’d suddenly be vocal. Was like he’d travelled to Oxford just to shout at TC 

Crispywood

Todds_right_hook said:

Crispywood said:

Don’t think TC looks like a player that wants to play for us anymore and honestly I don’t blame him. Charlton isn’t the right environment for him and neither is he the right player for us. Don’t think this is a good match for either party at present both definitely need to go in different directions 

Based on?

He’s not playing in his best position and role in the right system and he’s targeted more by the fanbase than any other player which is why we don’t work for him. He’s not good enough in the final 3rd which is why he’s not good enough for us. 

Both club and player would benefit from TC moving on 

CafcSteve

NabySarr said:

Had a shocking game yesterday but don’t think it was helped by the fact he played 4 different positions across the 90 minutes. Jones really should have subbed him off as it was so clearly not going to be his day 

He looks absolutely knackered which isn’t surprising given how little rest he’s had over the last 2 years. We need to take him out of the starting eleven and just use him off the bench, and hope Jamaica don’t qualify for the World Cup so he can a long overdue rest 

Away end was horrible yesterday too, bloke next to me didn’t sing, shout or say anything at all the whole game, but whenever TC did anything he’d suddenly be vocal. Was like he’d travelled to Oxford just to shout at TC 

You also bumped into Ronnie Moore at his very first Charlton game then!

letthegoodtimesroll

letthegoodtimesroll said:

AndyG said:

I hate the constant criticism TC gets but can also see why he gets it. If I were part of the coaching team I would honestly try to concentrate on the mental side of the game with him. Flair players need a bit of swagger about them and I truly think that TC has the physical abilities but lacks the belief in those abilities. If he cannot sort that out he won’t progress beyond league one 

Personally, I think this is the problem and he is getting too much time to think and consequently seems to switch off. Last season it was almost like every ball was sent his way unless Small was better placed. He wasn’t given time to breathe let alone switch off. He would have two, sometimes three players around him to beat and he often seemed to leave them in his wake.This season it’s often like even the opposition defenders are starting to give him space because he has become less of a threat. I suspect his own teammates may also be choosing to subconsciously not pass the ball to him as much because, when trying to defend the Alamo against what seems like overwhelming odds, they have either witnessed the pass getting intercepted because TC seems to lean back into the defender before the ball gets to him or he too often bounces the ball straight back and we lose possession and they are immediately back under attack. It might take a huge leap of faith but maybe playing him in the middle of the park where not continuously being involved isn’t an option might get the best out of him

We involved him a lot more yesterday and he had a better game. Obviously not a great one and still not that effective but you could say that for most of the players on the pitch, from both sides, yesterday. It wasn’t that type of game.

balham red

Really pissing me off seeing abuse of TC on Twitter, not sure if its on here as much. People have short fucking memories. He was instrumental in our promotion last season.

I agree he's not effective at this level, maybe never will be, but he's come up through the ranks, done alot for the club's current standing, and is clearly not an arrogant or unpleasant character.

I do believe we need to find a better player to kick on next season, but he's our only ball carrier at the moment aside from a lesser proven Fevrier. And regardless of whether he should be starting or not, he doesn't deserve such vitriolic criticism. Keep it constructive and not personal.

Fans romanticise the relationship between the fans and players, but only if the player is performing well. That's not the measure of a true relationship or loyalty.

Talal

See someone on the player marks thread call him a horrible person. Weird.

DamoNorthStand

I know it’s almost a running joke on here but I do wonder if Rak Sakyi may be targeted next summer as an upgrade on TC?

fenaddick

DamoNorthStand said:

I know it’s almost a running joke on here but I do wonder if Rak Sakyi may be targeted next summer as an upgrade on TC?

No chance, he’s not an NJ player because he won’t do the defensive work. He barely came back to defend in the game against us and he’s only got 1 goal  no assist. I think for the money Palace would demand we could hopefully find a cheaper hidden gem

superclive98

balham red said:

Really pissing me off seeing abuse of TC on Twitter, not sure if its on here as much. People have short fucking memories. He was instrumental in our promotion last season.

I agree he's not effective at this level, maybe never will be, but he's come up through the ranks, done alot for the club's current standing, and is clearly not an arrogant or unpleasant character.

I do believe we need to find a better player to kick on next season, but he's our only ball carrier at the moment aside from a lesser proven Fevrier. And regardless of whether he should be starting or not, he doesn't deserve such vitriolic criticism. Keep it constructive and not personal.

Fans romanticise the relationship between the fans and players, but only if the player is performing well. That's not the measure of a true relationship or loyalty.

But even last season his form went missing in a lot of games.

Todds_right_hook

Crispywood said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Crispywood said:

Don’t think TC looks like a player that wants to play for us anymore and honestly I don’t blame him. Charlton isn’t the right environment for him and neither is he the right player for us. Don’t think this is a good match for either party at present both definitely need to go in different directions 

Based on?

He’s not playing in his best position and role in the right system and he’s targeted more by the fanbase than any other player which is why we don’t work for him. He’s not good enough in the final 3rd which is why he’s not good enough for us. 

Both club and player would benefit from TC moving on 

Fair enough. The problem is that we have played him up top (great winner against Stoke), left wing back, left back but hardly as an out and out winger.

he looks such a different player when coming on as a sub against tired full backs. I would not get rid but I would take him out the firing line and give him 20min cameos.

the other problem is Kelman. Kelman and Campbell both look poor when stating but change games off the bench. Leaburn and dykes hasn’t really worked so who starts with Dykes.

once safe(r) I would maybe go 3-5-1-1 or 3-4-2-1 and give fullah some game time

Garrymanilow

superclive98 said:

balham red said:

Really pissing me off seeing abuse of TC on Twitter, not sure if its on here as much. People have short fucking memories. He was instrumental in our promotion last season.

I agree he's not effective at this level, maybe never will be, but he's come up through the ranks, done alot for the club's current standing, and is clearly not an arrogant or unpleasant character.

I do believe we need to find a better player to kick on next season, but he's our only ball carrier at the moment aside from a lesser proven Fevrier. And regardless of whether he should be starting or not, he doesn't deserve such vitriolic criticism. Keep it constructive and not personal.

Fans romanticise the relationship between the fans and players, but only if the player is performing well. That's not the measure of a true relationship or loyalty.

But even last season his form went missing in a lot of games.

True of any winger though. You will always get hot and cold performances from players playing in that position even at the top level, it just stands out more when he's our sole player who can do something unexpected and creative and all the pressure to see anything that isn't a block or a header is put onto him

Scoham

I’ve seen a few mentions across social media the idea that if Kelman had played more often instead of TC he’d have scored more, but that also ignores all the anonymous quiet games Kelman’s had.

None of our strike partnerships are ideal, and I don’t think any of them would be great as lone strikers either.

TC could probably do with a few games coming off the bench, but Kelman will only be effective if we create chances for him.

WrightCharlie

TC didn't have much attacking impact yesterday but by the time Lloydy has passed it to Amari'i who's fed it out to Chambers, who's passed it back to Amari'i, who's given it short to Conor, who's put it back to Lloydy, who puts it over to Amari'i, who feeds it on to Chambers who passes or launches it to TC...... who has to come back to receive it with his back to goal, not much pitch to work with and with a couple of defenders for company...... if he heads inside there's cover, if he goes down the line there's cover......

TC's got to get better at some stuff though...... anticipating the best place to pick up a pass and moving there before the defender, not relying so much on a static position and his body shielding to receive the ball successfully, looking up when he has the ball and spotting the best pass or cross and then doing it well even at pace...... 

On a different note, there was some opportunity yesterday (and in other games)....... as I watch for it a bit....... for one of our defensive guys.......... to quickly look up, see the beginnings of a run behind their back line (say from TC or Miles) and to launch a long ball for them to chase onto. Doesn't happen enough for my blood.

TomCAFC

Campbells physical attributes are keeping him in the argument. For me he makes bad decisions, he lacks awareness and his attitude (don’t care if it’s shyness or petulance) is all wrong. Might be a player there but he definitely needs to get it together sharpish now.

SoundAsa£

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

So just to get this right, the reason TC has been poor at passing,crossing, shooting, tackling and general decision making … is because he now knackered?, would the medical team be suggesting his minutes were managed as the data would be saying, that he’s too knackered. Or is it more likely he is finding the championship a harder proposition and not performing as well because of that? Seems a lot of excuses are being made, when the fact is he probably isn’t quite good enough yet.

No, that isn’t the reason why but it’s probably a factor and it feels silly to ignore 

Just think if he was that knackered they would manage minutes more. 

Who are the other options though? We don't have another player who plays that hybrid striker winger role and can (sort of) play wing back

It’s exactly why some see him as the only one in the squad with a modicum of individual flair……which, unfortunately,  is pretty much true. What some seem to be ignoring though is that he has sadly gone backwards in all departments of his game.
This rubbish that he is still learning is absolute tosh…..he’s coming up for 23 for gods sake and if he hasn’t mastered the basics by now one has to wonder why?

superclive98

SoundAsa£ said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

So just to get this right, the reason TC has been poor at passing,crossing, shooting, tackling and general decision making … is because he now knackered?, would the medical team be suggesting his minutes were managed as the data would be saying, that he’s too knackered. Or is it more likely he is finding the championship a harder proposition and not performing as well because of that? Seems a lot of excuses are being made, when the fact is he probably isn’t quite good enough yet.

No, that isn’t the reason why but it’s probably a factor and it feels silly to ignore 

Just think if he was that knackered they would manage minutes more. 

Who are the other options though? We don't have another player who plays that hybrid striker winger role and can (sort of) play wing back

It’s exactly why some see him as the only one in the squad with a modicum of individual flair……which, unfortunately,  is pretty much true. What some seem to be ignoring though is that he has sadly gone backwards in all departments of his game.
This rubbish that he is still learning is absolute tosh…..he’s coming up for 23 for gods sake and if he hasn’t mastered the basics by now one has to wonder why?

He's coming to the end of his fourth year in the first team and has 139 league appearances to his name.
That's plenty of match time to have learnt his trade.

LittleAddick

Get about 700k for him in the summer to a top-end L1 team, and, factoring that in with his contributions over the years, I'd say that's a decent return from an academy product.

EugenesAxe

SoundAsa£ said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

So just to get this right, the reason TC has been poor at passing,crossing, shooting, tackling and general decision making … is because he now knackered?, would the medical team be suggesting his minutes were managed as the data would be saying, that he’s too knackered. Or is it more likely he is finding the championship a harder proposition and not performing as well because of that? Seems a lot of excuses are being made, when the fact is he probably isn’t quite good enough yet.

No, that isn’t the reason why but it’s probably a factor and it feels silly to ignore 

Just think if he was that knackered they would manage minutes more. 

Who are the other options though? We don't have another player who plays that hybrid striker winger role and can (sort of) play wing back

It’s exactly why some see him as the only one in the squad with a modicum of individual flair……which, unfortunately,  is pretty much true. What some seem to be ignoring though is that he has sadly gone backwards in all departments of his game.
This rubbish that he is still learning is absolute tosh…..he’s coming up for 23 for gods sake and if he hasn’t mastered the basics by now one has to wonder why?

Fair point it’s not like he’s 18 playing his first full season, he’s prone to be talked about as a talent that’s about to break through if we nurture him properly but he’s been through that stage.

fenaddick

EugenesAxe said:

SoundAsa£ said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

fenaddick said:

Sword65pf said:

So just to get this right, the reason TC has been poor at passing,crossing, shooting, tackling and general decision making … is because he now knackered?, would the medical team be suggesting his minutes were managed as the data would be saying, that he’s too knackered. Or is it more likely he is finding the championship a harder proposition and not performing as well because of that? Seems a lot of excuses are being made, when the fact is he probably isn’t quite good enough yet.

No, that isn’t the reason why but it’s probably a factor and it feels silly to ignore 

Just think if he was that knackered they would manage minutes more. 

Who are the other options though? We don't have another player who plays that hybrid striker winger role and can (sort of) play wing back

It’s exactly why some see him as the only one in the squad with a modicum of individual flair……which, unfortunately,  is pretty much true. What some seem to be ignoring though is that he has sadly gone backwards in all departments of his game.
This rubbish that he is still learning is absolute tosh…..he’s coming up for 23 for gods sake and if he hasn’t mastered the basics by now one has to wonder why?

Fair point it’s not like he’s 18 playing his first full season, he’s prone to be talked about as a talent that’s about to break through if we nurture him properly but he’s been through that stage.

Players peak in their late 20s though, plenty of time for him to adapt and improve 

elbiglad

Right. Another long post. Clearly I am a glutton for punishment. I just can’t help myself when I see this thread get more traffic than any other after a poor team performance. 

It’s not ‘the basics’ that he struggles with, it’s scoring and assisting goals - the hardest thing to do. It’s easy to just spout simplistic things like that but I don’t think there’s much truth in it. 

I have been more frustrated by him lately than ever before, but clearly something is off. There are a lot of circular issues at play.

By trade, he’s a winger. He has spent a lot of time this year learning two new trades as a secondary striker and wing back. He doesn’t get to play in his proper position in a team that doesn’t create or score much. 

I think better players would find it hard in this team. Lots of our players have struggled to produce decent goal contribution numbers this year as we don’t score many goals. When we do play well and do more with the ball, like Wrexham, he tends to play well. When we set up defensively and need moments of magic he’s not quite clinical enough to produce. 

Typically he’s our best, and sometimes only, ball carrying option on the pitch. He’s easy to double and even triple up on. He clearly doesn’t have close control good enough to beat two men with regularity. He was a lot better when people had to respect Thierry Small on the other flank. He can definitely improve his decision making to work out the right time to commit men or move the ball on. 

He’s a dynamic ball carrying player being asked to use a lot of energy out of possession. This impacts his ability when he does get the ball. He is bending to suit the needs of the team. Would any other team be bringing this type player on when 1-0 up away to Southampton and Boro to see a game out? No.  A lot of big teams remove any defensive responsibilities from these types of players to allow them to focus on attacking. We do the opposite. 

It is his first season at the level playing against better, more physical players. He’s fifth for minutes played this season (outfield) and has been off for a few weeks. He dropped off towards the end of last year. Clearly he’s running on empty and could probably do with a break out of the team. 

Defending him doesn’t mean I think he’s perfect or even a top end championship player, it’s just how I choose to support the players. I 100% understand why he frustrates a lot of people. I completely get those saying maybe he doesn’t suit our system under Jones and never will. That’s an interesting discussion to have. 

But why does he need to be written off or abused on here and (mainly) in the ground? I can’t work out what people get from that.  Like I said yesterday, it seems like some enjoy it when he plays badly so they can slate him. Very strange behaviour for a supporter of a team. 

ken_shabby

WrightCharlie said:

TC didn't have much attacking impact yesterday but by the time Lloydy has passed it to Amari'i who's fed it out to Chambers, who's passed it back to Amari'i, who's given it short to Conor, who's put it back to Lloydy, who puts it over to Amari'i, who feeds it on to Chambers who passes or launches it to TC...... who has to come back to receive it with his back to goal, not much pitch to work with and with a couple of defenders for company...... if he heads inside there's cover, if he goes down the line there's cover......

TC's got to get better at some stuff though...... anticipating the best place to pick up a pass and moving there before the defender, not relying so much on a static position and his body shielding to receive the ball successfully, looking up when he has the ball and spotting the best pass or cross and then doing it well even at pace...... 

On a different note, there was some opportunity yesterday (and in other games)....... as I watch for it a bit....... for one of our defensive guys.......... to quickly look up, see the beginnings of a run behind their back line (say from TC or Miles) and to launch a long ball for them to chase onto. Doesn't happen enough for my blood.

I agree with all of that. I've also found our turgid routine from the back really poor. But that quick launch towards TC gets slated as hoofball, and needs a high success rate to convince people. Which in the Championship, ain't gonna happen.

I find TC exciting and frustrating in equal measure. But it feels like he's being played in an alien position. And he's tired. I think he'll come good and we need to persevere with him. 

WrightCharlie

ken_shabby said:

WrightCharlie said:

TC didn't have much attacking impact yesterday but by the time Lloydy has passed it to Amari'i who's fed it out to Chambers, who's passed it back to Amari'i, who's given it short to Conor, who's put it back to Lloydy, who puts it over to Amari'i, who feeds it on to Chambers who passes or launches it to TC...... who has to come back to receive it with his back to goal, not much pitch to work with and with a couple of defenders for company...... if he heads inside there's cover, if he goes down the line there's cover......

TC's got to get better at some stuff though...... anticipating the best place to pick up a pass and moving there before the defender, not relying so much on a static position and his body shielding to receive the ball successfully, looking up when he has the ball and spotting the best pass or cross and then doing it well even at pace...... 

On a different note, there was some opportunity yesterday (and in other games)....... as I watch for it a bit....... for one of our defensive guys.......... to quickly look up, see the beginnings of a run behind their back line (say from TC or Miles) and to launch a long ball for them to chase onto. Doesn't happen enough for my blood.

I agree with all of that. I've also found our turgid routine from the back really poor. But that quick launch towards TC gets slated as hoofball, and needs a high success rate to convince people. Which in the Championship, ain't gonna happen.

I find TC exciting and frustrating in equal measure. But it feels like he's being played in an alien position. And he's tired. I think he'll come good and we need to persevere with him. 

Yep, he can be quite frustrating can't he...... but when he's going at them, boy it's exciting and it surely scares the opposition.
I'm not sure how knackered he is at the end of games tbh or whether he's been told to hold his position for the out ball......? Like someone already said, once we get to 50 points-ish maybe he'll be on the bench a bit more if he does need those few less minutes for a bit.
Heard yesterday that the talks on a new deal for him aren't progressing that much....... I know nothing, just passing on what I heard.

I think as well as TC we have Sonny who can run at them and do good things..... then there's Clarkey who has his moments...... maybe Joe R-C....... and I was going to say that's about it for our regulars...... but after Oxford I'm thinking of saving a place in my list for the Doc too, hoping he can carry on where he left off yesterday! Not forgetting Lloydy, Amari'i, Chambers and the BFK who can each give it a go from time to time too..... Maybe we'll see more of it when we've got a few more points on the board....?

Bostonaddick

I think the frustration with fans the last few games is a perceived lack of effort.  There were many times he would just stop running or not track back.  Effort is not a system issue or a manager issue.  

That being said I do think he has given plenty of effort for most of the season.  Something just seems off recently.   

A fair debate can take place about his struggles with his end product but given this is his first year at this level do for me it is too early to judge.  

Clearly he has talent.  I just think right now the best thing for the club and TC is a late in the match substitute 

O-Randy-Hunt

Bostonaddick said:

I think the frustration with fans the last few games is a perceived lack of effort.  There were many times he would just stop running or not track back.  Effort is not a system issue or a manager issue.  

That being said I do think he has given plenty of effort for most of the season.  Something just seems off recently.   

A fair debate can take place about his struggles with his end product but given this is his first year at this level do for me it is too early to judge.  

Clearly he has talent.  I just think right now the best thing for the club and TC is a late in the match substitute 

Yep that's it. The difference between league 1 and the champ is massive so we shouldn't be expecting a 22 year old who got 7 goals in league 1 to be tearing the championship up or doing better numbers than last year.

If anyone has watched him recently off the ball it's clear to see how lazy he has been. No-one is expecting him to run around like a headless chicken either but the clip I posted earlier from one of our throws sums him up. Not on his toes, not anticipating or gambling about where the ball could go. Just staring into space.

Having said that I still like seeing his name in the starting lineup or when he comes off the bench as he can be tricky and can worry defences but my god he needs a rocket up his arse half the time these days.

Athletico Charlton

I've been, and remain a big fan of TC. 

One of the few in our team with real natural talent and speed who can take a player on. 

Yesterday I thought he had a poor game and should have been taken off early in the second half.  It felt to me as though he was not putting the required effort in and made me wonder if he was trying to avoid injury at times so many occasions he simply refused to put any attempt to tackle or be physical which we know he can do.

Hope I'm wrong and he likely just needs a rest after so many games.

Irrespective of his performance I wouldn't boo him and frankly if he is fed up with some of the morons in our crowd that seem desperate for him to slip up so they can vent then I would not blame him.