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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,897
    Jones
    Bell
    Clarke/Ramsay

    Ramsay has had a few poor games but also done some game changing challenges, while Clarke has stabilised our defence but also has a few moments to forget, although a lot of those were goal scoring opportunities. But frankly, after Jones, there's a big big drop off.
    The big drop off is after Bell, not after Jones. Those two have been titanic 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,411
    mendonca said:
    Why's everyone listing 3 when you can only pick 1?
    Because it would be a pretty boring thread since everyone’s first choice is the same 
    Everyone’s top 3 is the same too. Let’s go top 5 to keep it interesting 

    1. Jones 
    2. Bell 
    3. Carey 
    4. Ramsay 
    5. Docherty 
  • IR94
    IR94 Posts: 998
    Think its the easiest POTS of all time, 
    Jones 
    Carey 
    Bell
    Struggling to think of a fourth place, Dykes if he continues til the end of the season in the same vein or Ramsey if he continues his recent form.
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,571
    Before you ask he's not on the list as the minimum requirement is to have played 10 games.

    Shame, I have respected everything Connor Cody has done (since he joined up).
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    NabySarr said:
    mendonca said:
    Why's everyone listing 3 when you can only pick 1?
    Because it would be a pretty boring thread since everyone’s first choice is the same 
    Everyone’s top 3 is the same too. Let’s go top 5 to keep it interesting 

    1. Jones 
    2. Bell 
    3. Carey 
    4. Ramsay 
    5. Docherty 
    Even then Ramsay looks a very straight forward 4th end of the day he’s still in the same back 3 with 50,000 clean sheets. If you base it on impact on the squad Dykes/Clarke feels a very easy 5th but considering they’ve only played 15 games you realistically have to give it to either Coventry/Docherty despite being incredibly average over the whole seaosjn
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 963
    I personally wouldn’t put Ramsay in the top 5. His good days are excellent but his bad days have been really bad and there have been quite a few of them
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,684
    1. Jones
    2. jones
    3. jones 
    4. Carey, Bell.
    5. Lucky dip😂
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,304
    Jones
    Carey
    Bell

    Bell's been good (but injured a fair bit) but without Carey's goals we'd really be in the shit. Carey has really stepped up given that I suspect he was originally bought in to be more of a squad player playing 2nd fiddle to Knibbs

    The top 3 pick themselves though, a mention for Clarke though who's been outstanding since joining
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 11,321
    If its down to desire, effort, commitment then TC wins hands down, we couldn't have asked for more. Jones just pips him to it though.
  • Holdkneebomb
    Holdkneebomb Posts: 1,294
    Jones 
    Bell
    Ramsay / Carey 

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  • YTS1978
    YTS1978 Posts: 1,774
    Really surprised with the number of mentions of Ramsay tbh! Lloyd clearly the standout with Sonny the runner up.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    I personally wouldn’t put Ramsay in the top 5. His good days are excellent but his bad days have been really bad and there have been quite a few of them
    Problem is when you look at the list of players who have least featured in half the number of games this season per 90. You have Jones Carey Bell who are the easy top 3 then you have…

    Kaminski who has 50/50 chance of dropping a good or bad performance. 
    Leaburn who tbf has massively improved but he’s still a forward with 2G/A all year.
    TC who has been far too inconsistent. 
    Docherty who’s been in good form recently but was off it for 3 months.
    Coventry who was replaced fairly comfortably by Wrexhams 7th choice 32 year old CB.

    Ramsay has dropped some absolute honkers this year like Millwall (x2), Southampton, QPR to name a few but considering he’s played 34 matches I think he’s been far more consistent than others and when he’s on it he’s absolutely on it and on his day is better than any player on their day mentioned above. Also featured in our 11 cleans sheets as well

    And if anything I think it’s harder for him to look good when he’s playing in a 3 next to our 2 best players opposed to other areas of the pitch where we lack any sort of quality. His 1 assist this season technically wise was the best bit of creativity we’ve seen all year 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,210
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,688
    Jones, Bell, Carey, Ramsey - 3 of my and most others top 4 r defenders which is no surprise 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,365
    Again. The thing about Kaminski is that he’s not a big change / step up on Mannion. 

    Those who believe they know fees paid / salary earnt say  he was a large part of our transfer budget. 

    On that basis he isn’t great value. 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,210
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,210
    edited March 25
    Again. The thing about Kaminski is that he’s not a big change / step up on Mannion. 

    Those who believe they know fees paid / salary earnt say  he was a large part of our transfer budget. 

    On that basis he isn’t great value. 

  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 52,057
    edited March 25
    Jones
    Carey
    Dykes or Bell - can't decide. 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
    Wouldn’t say 5 games is significantly more. Bell may not play every game but there’s also a good possibility Kaminski doesn’t even make another appearance, with the way Mannion is going. 

    They needed science to prove the world was round, only thing you need to prove Bell has been better than Kaminski this season is a pair of eyes 

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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,794
    Again. The thing about Kaminski is that he’s not a big change / step up on Mannion. 

    Those who believe they know fees paid / salary earnt say  he was a large part of our transfer budget. 

    On that basis he isn’t great value. 
    HE IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNION WHO IS ADEQUATE SQUAD KEEPER.
    I wouldn’t say he’s ‘much’ better than Mannion, there’s not much in it to be honest.
    On their respective day’s, both have given pretty decent performances IMHO and I am quite happy to see either of them between the sticks.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,210
    edited March 25
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
    Wouldn’t say 5 games is significantly more. Bell may not play every game but there’s also a good possibility Kaminski doesn’t even make another appearance, with the way Mannion is going. 

    They needed science to prove the world was round, only thing you need to prove Bell has been better than Kaminski this season is a pair of eyes 
    .
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 7,412
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
    Wouldn’t say 5 games is significantly more. Bell may not play every game but there’s also a good possibility Kaminski doesn’t even make another appearance, with the way Mannion is going. 

    They needed science to prove the world was round, only thing you need to prove Bell has been better than Kaminski this season is a pair of eyes 
    UNBELIEVABLE HOW PEOPLE KEEP TWISTING THIS. I LIKE BELL — VERY GOOD PLAYER, NO DOUBT — BUT YOU CAN’T BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU’RE INJURED HALF THE SEASON. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS. IT’S NOT COMPLICATED! 
    KAMINSKI HAS BEEN SOLID ALL YEAR, A REAL PRESENCE, AND I’VE SAID IT FROM THE START. SOME PEOPLE DIDN’T RATE HIM — I DID. THEN HE GETS ONE INJURY, MANNION COMES IN FOR A COUPLE OF GAMES, AND SUDDENLY THEY’RE ACTING LIKE KAMINSKI NEVER EXISTED. TOTALLY CRAZY!
    PLAYER OF THE YEAR IS ABOUT CONSISTENCY AND AVAILABILITY — NOT “LOOKED GOOD UNTIL HE GOT INJURED AGAIN.” BELL IS TALENTED, BUT YOU CAN’T WIN ANYTHING FROM THE SIDELINES. VERY SIMPLE, VERY TRUE!
    arnold schwarzenegger is wearing a red shirt and says stop shouting
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,066
    1. Jones
    2. Carey
    3. Bell
    Same for me.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
    Wouldn’t say 5 games is significantly more. Bell may not play every game but there’s also a good possibility Kaminski doesn’t even make another appearance, with the way Mannion is going. 

    They needed science to prove the world was round, only thing you need to prove Bell has been better than Kaminski this season is a pair of eyes 
    UNBELIEVABLE HOW PEOPLE KEEP TWISTING THIS. I LIKE BELL — VERY GOOD PLAYER, NO DOUBT — BUT YOU CAN’T BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU’RE INJURED HALF THE SEASON. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS. IT’S NOT COMPLICATED! 
    KAMINSKI HAS BEEN SOLID ALL YEAR, A REAL PRESENCE, AND I’VE SAID IT FROM THE START. SOME PEOPLE DIDN’T RATE HIM — I DID. THEN HE GETS ONE INJURY, MANNION COMES IN FOR A COUPLE OF GAMES, AND SUDDENLY THEY’RE ACTING LIKE KAMINSKI NEVER EXISTED. TOTALLY CRAZY!
    PLAYER OF THE YEAR IS ABOUT CONSISTENCY AND AVAILABILITY — NOT “LOOKED GOOD UNTIL HE GOT INJURED AGAIN.” BELL IS TALENTED, BUT YOU CAN’T WIN ANYTHING FROM THE SIDELINES. VERY SIMPLE, VERY TRUE!
    He’s been on the pitch 75% of the time this year, so he’s not been injured half the year. 
    Not being on the pitch 100% of the time is probably why Carey arguably finishes above him but he’s been on the pitch enough times to comfortably deserve it ahead of Kaminski who’s only been on the pitch 10% more which over a season is 4-5 games. 

    So by your logic over a 46 game season you’re saying a grand total of 5 games not even when the player has been bad, unavailable that’s the line for a player not being able to win POTY over another. In which case sorry Jones you know your POTY you won last year well Coventry played 5 more league 1 games than you sorry we have to give it to him. 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,210
    edited March 25
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
    Wouldn’t say 5 games is significantly more. Bell may not play every game but there’s also a good possibility Kaminski doesn’t even make another appearance, with the way Mannion is going. 

    They needed science to prove the world was round, only thing you need to prove Bell has been better than Kaminski this season is a pair of eyes 
    UNBELIEVABLE HOW PEOPLE KEEP TWISTING THIS. I LIKE BELL — VERY GOOD PLAYER, NO DOUBT — BUT YOU CAN’T BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU’RE INJURED HALF THE SEASON. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS. IT’S NOT COMPLICATED! 
    KAMINSKI HAS BEEN SOLID ALL YEAR, A REAL PRESENCE, AND I’VE SAID IT FROM THE START. SOME PEOPLE DIDN’T RATE HIM — I DID. THEN HE GETS ONE INJURY, MANNION COMES IN FOR A COUPLE OF GAMES, AND SUDDENLY THEY’RE ACTING LIKE KAMINSKI NEVER EXISTED. TOTALLY CRAZY!
    PLAYER OF THE YEAR IS ABOUT CONSISTENCY AND AVAILABILITY — NOT “LOOKED GOOD UNTIL HE GOT INJURED AGAIN.” BELL IS TALENTED, BUT YOU CAN’T WIN ANYTHING FROM THE SIDELINES. VERY SIMPLE, VERY TRUE!
    He’s been on the pitch 75% of the time this year, so he’s not been injured half the year. 
    Not being on the pitch 100% of the time is probably why Carey arguably finishes above him but he’s been on the pitch enough times to comfortably deserve it ahead of Kaminski who’s only been on the pitch 10% more which over a season is 4-5 games. 

    So by your logic over a 46 game season you’re saying a grand total of 5 games not even when the player has been bad, unavailable that’s the line for a player not being able to win POTY over another. In which case sorry Jones you know your POTY you won last year well Coventry played 5 more league 1 games than you sorry we have to give it to 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,897
    Is your thing to run all your posts through some sort of Trumpification engine? Really awesome and funny trick if so
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    Here is my list -

    1. Lloyd Jones (TOP CLASS PLAYER AT CHAMPIONSHIP WHO WILL LIKELY NOT BE HERE NEXT SEASON IMO)

    2. All the players that have been sent off against us (WE HAVE PICKED UP WINS PURELY BECAUSE OF THIS AT TIMES)

    3. Carey (EARLY FORM WAS INCREDIBLE AND A LARGE REASON WE HAVE THE POINTS WE DO)

    4. Kaminski (UNDERAPPRECIATED BY MOST AND DERIDED BY THOSE WITH ZERO FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE, HAS KEPT US IN GAMES ALOT).

    5. Bell (THOUGH HAS NOT PLAYED ENOUGH, ALWAYS 8 OUT OF 10 BUT NO GOOD IF INJURED ALOT)
    Kaminski has only played in 13% or 5 more games than Bell has this season by the way, Bell probably overtakes him by the time the season ends with Mannion looking to keep the No.1 spot

    Kaminski is definitely over hated by fans I’d be shocked if you aren’t the only Charlton fan who thinks he’s been better than Bell this season 
    So he has played in significantly more games than Bell and I sincerely doubt Bell will play every game rest of this season. Also as for other fans not agreeing with me, everyone thought the world was flat at one point.
    Wouldn’t say 5 games is significantly more. Bell may not play every game but there’s also a good possibility Kaminski doesn’t even make another appearance, with the way Mannion is going. 

    They needed science to prove the world was round, only thing you need to prove Bell has been better than Kaminski this season is a pair of eyes 
    UNBELIEVABLE HOW PEOPLE KEEP TWISTING THIS. I LIKE BELL — VERY GOOD PLAYER, NO DOUBT — BUT YOU CAN’T BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU’RE INJURED HALF THE SEASON. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS. IT’S NOT COMPLICATED! 
    KAMINSKI HAS BEEN SOLID ALL YEAR, A REAL PRESENCE, AND I’VE SAID IT FROM THE START. SOME PEOPLE DIDN’T RATE HIM — I DID. THEN HE GETS ONE INJURY, MANNION COMES IN FOR A COUPLE OF GAMES, AND SUDDENLY THEY’RE ACTING LIKE KAMINSKI NEVER EXISTED. TOTALLY CRAZY!
    PLAYER OF THE YEAR IS ABOUT CONSISTENCY AND AVAILABILITY — NOT “LOOKED GOOD UNTIL HE GOT INJURED AGAIN.” BELL IS TALENTED, BUT YOU CAN’T WIN ANYTHING FROM THE SIDELINES. VERY SIMPLE, VERY TRUE!
    He’s been on the pitch 75% of the time this year, so he’s not been injured half the year. 
    Not being on the pitch 100% of the time is probably why Carey arguably finishes above him but he’s been on the pitch enough times to comfortably deserve it ahead of Kaminski who’s only been on the pitch 10% more which over a season is 4-5 games. 

    So by your logic over a 46 game season you’re saying a grand total of 5 games not even when the player has been bad, unavailable that’s the line for a player not being able to win POTY over another. In which case sorry Jones you know your POTY you won last year well Coventry played 5 more league 1 games than you sorry we have to give it to him. 
    LOOK, CRISPYWOOD, YOU KEEP THROWING OUT THESE NUMBERS LIKE THEY’RE SOME KIND OF “CHECKMATE,” BUT THEY JUST PROVE MY POINT EVEN MORE. YES, JONES PLAYED 36 GAMES LAST SEASON — BUT HERE’S THE PART YOU’RE LEAVING OUT: HE WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC IN THOSE 36 GAMES. DOMINANT. CONSISTENT. A REAL LEADER. THAT’S WHY HE WON PLAYER OF THE YEAR. EVERYBODY SAW IT!

    BELL THIS SEASON? GOOD PLAYER, TALENTED, BUT NOWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL JONES HIT LAST YEAR. NOT EVEN CLOSE. AND ON TOP OF THAT, HE’S MISSED A QUARTER OF THE SEASON. YOU CAN’T PRETEND THAT DOESN’T MATTER. YOU CAN’T WIN POTY FROM THE TREATMENT TABLE — EVEN IF CRISPYWOOD MATH SAYS OTHERWISE!

    AND THIS “ONLY 5 GAMES DIFFERENCE” TALK? COME ON. THAT’S 5 GAMES OF AVAILABILITY, 5 GAMES OF CONSISTENCY, 5 GAMES OF ACTUALLY BEING ON THE PITCH. KAMINSKI HAS BEEN THERE. BELL HASN’T. VERY SIMPLE!

    TRYING TO COMPARE BELL’S SEASON TO JONES’ SEASON IS LIKE COMPARING A FIREWORK TO A LIGHTBULB. ONE EXPLODED WITH QUALITY EVERY WEEK, THE OTHER FLICKERS ON AND OFF. TOTALLY DIFFERENT LEVELS. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

    THE REALITY IS THIS:  
    JONES WAS BETTER LAST YEAR THAN BELL HAS BEEN THIS YEAR. THAT’S WHY HE WON.  
    KAMINSKI HAS BEEN MORE AVAILABLE AND MORE IMPORTANT THAN BELL THIS YEAR. THAT’S WHY HE SHOULD FINISH HIGHER.

    NO AMOUNT OF CRISPYWOOD CALCULATOR MAGIC IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT! ALSO TO SAY BY YOUR LOGIC YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO APPLY MY LOGIC!!!! NOT MAKE UP WHAT YOU WISH MY LOGIC WAS!!!!!! SAD!!!!!!!
    All of that just because I said a player who has had a quality 3/4 of a season shouldn't be discounted due to playing 5 games less than a player who has been decent but not brilliant, respect the commitment 😂
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 22,832
    If Kaminski wasn't tarred with the brush about his wages, he'd feature in more top 3s.

    He's been the keeper for 90% of our season and we've let in far fewer goals than those around us, keeping loads of clean sheets too. That's a combination of the defence and keeper but he's played a vital part in it
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,365
    Again. The thing about Kaminski is that he’s not a big change / step up on Mannion. 

    Those who believe they know fees paid / salary earnt say  he was a large part of our transfer budget. 

    On that basis he isn’t great value. 
    HE IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNION WHO IS ADEQUATE SQUAD KEEPER.
    I wouldn’t say he’s ‘much’ better than Mannion, there’s not much in it to be honest.
    On their respective day’s, both have given pretty decent performances IMHO and I am quite happy to see either of them between the sticks.
    So @Radostanradical you effectively saying Nathan Jones has got it wrong by playing Mannion last couple of games when Kaminski was back fit?