The thread about Boxing

Gravesend_Addick said:

Wow....What an instantly unlikeable bloke Willy Hutchinson is

Twat 

He's a nutcase, but a decent boxer.

Wow, what a KO..

LOL at the Franklin corner complaining it was stopped early!

Local boy from one of the spiciest parts of Chatham 

Huge man, his brother is a monster too 

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports I will say if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

What?

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports, I will say, if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

Absolute bollocks.

bobmunro said:

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports, I will say, if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

Absolute bollocks.

shine166 said:

Radostanradical said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports I will say if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

What?

Boxing is one of the few sports that if you have never actually boxed your opinion is likely irrelevant.

What level allows what amount of opinion ? 

Plenty of great trainers never boxed.

Nope its true. If you have never boxed competitively you arent going to fully understand what its like to be in the ring, training, dieting, the mental side etc.Thus to speak with any authority on the subject will be difficult. Sincerely @bobmunro you have spoken on here quite insightfully about your past involvement in running a professional football club, do you honestly think the opinion of myself (all my usual shitposting aside) or other posters here who have never had the same experience of running a football club, is equal to your own on the subject?

I assume not and think most would agree, so why would anyone deem to believe someone who has never boxed will have the same expertise as another who has taken part in what is probably one of the most unique and toughest life experiences one can put themselves in voluntarily.

@Shine you make a fair point and possibly I should have tailored my response to be a bit more nuanced, more like that unless youve boxed you arent going to have the same insights as someone who has. I would question which great trainers have never boxed even as an amateur? Im sure there maybe 1 or 2 but ive never heard of any.

What I will say is as someone who has boxed (again forgive my usual shitposting as im being serious here), if I turnt up at a gym, whether for myself or taking one of my kids and found out the coach had never boxed at all it would be a red flag for me. Im not saying they have to be accomplished or even successful boxers but just taken part.

shine166 said:

Apparently Gus D'amato had 1 amateur fight, Angelo Dundee had none, neither did Enzo Calzaghe. 

Ok so Cuz had more than one amatuer fight and was actually a relatively sucessful boxer but couldnt go pro because of eye injuries. He compted in golden gloves which is a very decent standard.

As said there always exceptions to the rules, what I would say about Angelo Dundee was he was involved in boxing in the army and learnt an apprenticeship by working for legends like Ray Arcel but yes as said there exceptions to the rules like Angelo and Enzo. 

I'm sure there are good football coaches who have never played the game competitively too but sincerely how would you feel if Charlton appointed a manager who had never even played the game at amateur level?

Starinnaddick said:

Having done a bit many years ago I think there is very little to compare to the feeling of being on your own for the first time facing your opponent. However, I knew/know plenty of good judges who have never put gloves on. 

So you would agree with my revised point that (generally) someone who hasnt boxed wont have the same knowledge to have an as informed opinion as someone who hasnt boxed? Yes there are exceptions to the rule generally speaking, how many time have you been watching a fight and heard someone say uninformed stuff like "he just needs to lump him etc" or after one of your own bouts had a spectator give you absolutely nonsense advice abour the bout you just had?

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Radostanradical said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports I will say if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

What?

Boxing is one of the few sports that if you have never actually boxed your opinion is likely irrelevant.

To be fair if you're going to go really deep into it, you could probably say this about any sport.

How can someone have an opinion on whether Kaminski is any good if you've never faced a shot in front of 20k fans?
How can someone criticise an England batsman for crumbling in the Ashes if you've never faced a ball in front of 100k at the MCG?
How can someone comment on an F1 driver if you've never driven wheel to wheel at 200mph at Silverstone?
How can someone talk about a tennis player if you've never tried to return a serve at 135mph?

Thats true and as I mentioned to another a poster after my reply to you, I should of revised my reply to say that the opinion of someone who has never boxed is not likely to be as informative as someone who has.

What I will say about your examples is one key difference, most people have played football, cricket, tennis at some level so have some level of knowledge, the vast majority of people have never boxed let alone even sparred.

bobmunro said:

Radostanradical said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Radostanradical said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports I will say if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

What?

Boxing is one of the few sports that if you have never actually boxed your opinion is likely irrelevant.

To be fair if you're going to go really deep into it, you could probably say this about any sport.

How can someone have an opinion on whether Kaminski is any good if you've never faced a shot in front of 20k fans?
How can someone criticise an England batsman for crumbling in the Ashes if you've never faced a ball in front of 100k at the MCG?
How can someone comment on an F1 driver if you've never driven wheel to wheel at 200mph at Silverstone?
How can someone talk about a tennis player if you've never tried to return a serve at 135mph?

Thats true and as I mentioned to another a poster after my reply to you, I should of revised my reply to say that the opinion of someone who has never boxed is not likely to be as informative as someone who has.

What I will say about your examples is one key difference, most people have played football, cricket, tennis at some level so have some level of knowledge, the vast majority of people have never boxed let alone even sparred.

and there are posters on here that I feel the same - Carter being a prime example.

… and I’m guessing you’ve never had a false fingernail fall out of your nipsy either? 

bobmunro said:

Radostanradical said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Radostanradical said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports I will say if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

What?

Boxing is one of the few sports that if you have never actually boxed your opinion is likely irrelevant.

To be fair if you're going to go really deep into it, you could probably say this about any sport.

How can someone have an opinion on whether Kaminski is any good if you've never faced a shot in front of 20k fans?
How can someone criticise an England batsman for crumbling in the Ashes if you've never faced a ball in front of 100k at the MCG?
How can someone comment on an F1 driver if you've never driven wheel to wheel at 200mph at Silverstone?
How can someone talk about a tennis player if you've never tried to return a serve at 135mph?

Thats true and as I mentioned to another a poster after my reply to you, I should of revised my reply to say that the opinion of someone who has never boxed is not likely to be as informative as someone who has.

What I will say about your examples is one key difference, most people have played football, cricket, tennis at some level so have some level of knowledge, the vast majority of people have never boxed let alone even sparred.

If you had said that in your first post I wouldn't have said 'Absolute bollocks', because I would generally agree with that statement. I would argue that as someone who has followed boxing with a deep passion for over 50 years my opinion is valid most of the time, but not from someone who has no real understanding who says things like 'take his head off' or 'he's too chinny'. Take Amir Khan as an example - people who just say he was chinny is not a valid argument if they have never been hit with an uppercut from a heavy handed boxer. But to say he is too square on with little defence with his chin exposed is valid if you understand boxing technique/style. Or 'he should use his back hand more' when he's facing a brilliant counter puncher with a viscious right hook. 

Would you say that the opinion of the greatest sports journalist (especially but not only boxing) in my lifetime was likely not to have a valid opinion? Hugh McIlvanney, like me, never faced a punch in his life! People I talk about boxing with regularly have valid opinions I greatly appreciate, and there are posters on here that I feel the same - Carter being a prime example.

The problem with former competitors in any sport is they are mainly elite at whatever they did. Football, boxing, whatever but not so great at expressing opinions or explaining what's going on. Fee examples of very good ex pros who are also excellent co-commentators and pundits. George Groves, Carl Frampton, Andrew Ward, Carl Froch, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones, Sunny Edwards, Barry Jones. Some are great or interesting personalities such as Johnny Nelson, David Haye, Tony Bellew, Naz. Some are good at talking but less good at accurately describing what's going on or offering anything more than soundbites. Darren Barker, Barry McGuigan, Glenn McCrory. 

Listening to a good boxing journalist or commentator like Steve Bunce, Tris Dixon, Mike Costello, Colin Hart (although he used to get up my nose), Ian Darke is a joy. 

In relation to your post about Simon Jordan he is a shock jock, he throws a lot of shit at the wall hoping some sticks and his opinion on boxing regardless of how much I think he should have been hit is as invalid because its utter bollocks half the time. Its more about seeing and understanding what's going on in the ring, its really kind of Bobmunro to say as I really value his opinion on the sport too. 

Generally I disregard the opinion of anyone who raves about Connor Benn, Eubank junior, Anthony Joshua after they flatten a patsy. 

For the record Amir Khans chin was never the problem, it was his brain and concentration. If Danny Garcia hits a cow flush on the whiskers they are going down, same for Prescott and definitely Alvarez. He put himself in positions and switched off mentally 

Carter said:

SuedeAdidas said:

bobmunro said:

Radostanradical said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Radostanradical said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

Radostanradical said:

CafcSteve said:

Hutchinson had a little back/forth with Simon Jordan on Talksport in the week.

Jordan said that he’d lose tonight.

Hutchinson said that he was allowed an opinion on boxing, as had never boxed.

Tbf boxing is one of the very few sports I will say if you have never boxed your opinion is more than likely irrelevant.

What?

Boxing is one of the few sports that if you have never actually boxed your opinion is likely irrelevant.

To be fair if you're going to go really deep into it, you could probably say this about any sport.

How can someone have an opinion on whether Kaminski is any good if you've never faced a shot in front of 20k fans?
How can someone criticise an England batsman for crumbling in the Ashes if you've never faced a ball in front of 100k at the MCG?
How can someone comment on an F1 driver if you've never driven wheel to wheel at 200mph at Silverstone?
How can someone talk about a tennis player if you've never tried to return a serve at 135mph?

Thats true and as I mentioned to another a poster after my reply to you, I should of revised my reply to say that the opinion of someone who has never boxed is not likely to be as informative as someone who has.

What I will say about your examples is one key difference, most people have played football, cricket, tennis at some level so have some level of knowledge, the vast majority of people have never boxed let alone even sparred.

and there are posters on here that I feel the same - Carter being a prime example.

… and I’m guessing you’ve never had a false fingernail fall out of your nipsy either? 

Never going away that one is it 😅

I’ve been active on here since 2009, and that thread (along with Paulie’s  hi-lights and the Blackpool hair salon) are the ones that I remember most 😄

I just watched Moses Itauma being interviewed by Ariel Helwani.
For someone so young he really comes across well and is so humble. Nothing to dislike about him at all, which is unusual for a boxer.

superclive98 said:

I just watched Moses Itauma being interviewed by Ariel Helwani.
For someone so young he really comes across well and is so humble. Nothing to dislike about him at all, which is unusual for a boxer.

I’m afraid to say you’ve never interviewed or been interviewed superclive so your opinion is unfortunately invalid…