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Assessing Our Recruitment
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We followed the recruitment process but no one told Nathan the players were crap 😉😀0
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Yeah, but of course the model is to recruit to develop players for future profit.shine166 said:
Also shows that his reluctance at taking loans is a hindrance.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Quite telling that probably the two most successful summer signings have been Carey and Bell, and they were both free transfers. For a variety of reasons, pretty much everyone we paid money for last summer has been disappointing, although i don't think Kaminski has been as bad as some people make out.CafcSteve said:What’s everyone’s thoughts now on who’s lived up to expectation from The Summer?
Two of them (Apter/Olaofe) were loaned out within 6 months. Knibbs was injured for ages, JRC rarely given a chance and Kelman has looked ok at times, but is clearly out of favour. Not sure if we paid any fee for Burke but the less said about him the better.
The one bright spark was the January signing of Sichenje. Hopefully there is a lesson to be learnt here moving forward. Stop overpaying for league one shit and look abroad for bargains.
Another positive has been the loan signings. For a manager who has said in the past he's not a fan of loans, i think Jones has done pretty well with loan recruitment.
That's what NJ is told to do.
But in a struggling team, we needed to find players immediately - to make an instant impact and keep the team in the division.
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Yep, agree......but both Millwall and Coventry have spent several seasons in the Championship - and have been team building and gradually upgrading their squad year by year.The Red Robin said:It will take a few years to emulate anything near what Coventry and Millwall have done. They’ve spent fairly decent money on players in the last few years- money we don’t have at the moment.
Surely that's what Charlton aspire to?
But this our 1st season back in the Championship, with the 2nd smallest transfer budget in the League.
Hopefully we stay up - but we're still only on the bottom rung of the ladder that Millwall and Coventry have already spent many seasons climbing.
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Players like Apter, JRC, Knibbs and Kelman made their name with teams which played a different tactical shape and passing game.
On arrival at Charlton, they were shoe-horned into NJ's 3-5-2 attrition 'if it moves, kick it' style of anti-football.
Frequently played out of position without any constructive supply of the ball, it's no wonder they have struggled.
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You can't develop 8 future stars at once, you're just setting up to fail. Would have made more sense to make loans in the summer and intergrate prospects amoung themOggy Red said:
Yeah, but of course the model is to recruit to develop players for future profit.shine166 said:
Also shows that his reluctance at taking loans is a hindrance.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Quite telling that probably the two most successful summer signings have been Carey and Bell, and they were both free transfers. For a variety of reasons, pretty much everyone we paid money for last summer has been disappointing, although i don't think Kaminski has been as bad as some people make out.CafcSteve said:What’s everyone’s thoughts now on who’s lived up to expectation from The Summer?
Two of them (Apter/Olaofe) were loaned out within 6 months. Knibbs was injured for ages, JRC rarely given a chance and Kelman has looked ok at times, but is clearly out of favour. Not sure if we paid any fee for Burke but the less said about him the better.
The one bright spark was the January signing of Sichenje. Hopefully there is a lesson to be learnt here moving forward. Stop overpaying for league one shit and look abroad for bargains.
Another positive has been the loan signings. For a manager who has said in the past he's not a fan of loans, i think Jones has done pretty well with loan recruitment.
That's what NJ is told to do.
But in a struggling team, we needed to find players immediately - to make an instant impact and keep the team in the division.
Not much budget left = loans0 -
Sounds decent, if only we could find somebody like that.MillwallFan said:
People on here saying that you have to go to the continent to get bargains are absolutely correct. Clubs of our size can’t afford to take chances with too many British born youngsters.The Red Robin said:It will take a few years to emulate anything near what Coventry and Millwall have done. They’ve spent fairly decent money on players in the last few years- money we don’t have at the moment.
Their prices are nearly always over inflated. We signed Fleming from the continent for a couple of million and sold him on for £8 million. De Norre, Ballo, Ivanovic, Derek Mazou-Sacko (outstanding MOTM performance on Saturday), Neghli, all excellent acquisitions, all with a good sell on value, bar maybe De Norre, who’s 28 now.
You’ve got to get it right though. Gallen has been excellent with the recruitment and got a really good networking system in place apparently.0 -
An alternative and unwanted viewpoint to take on all this is that quite rightly, this thread has been about assessing our recruitment in the context of this season and staying up, but we’ve also got to consider how many of the team would be able to get us back up should the worse happen. Every post has been with a Championship lens, but if the unthinkable happens, I’m not so sure we wouldn’t need to do a bit of rebuild for League One0
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One example of our Recruitment:
Rob Apter had a great video of his attacking prowess, admittedly from League 1 and 2 but you could see the boy had flair; what the video didn't show was his defending if he was to be used as a RWB.
Excellent debut against Watford where he spent more time attacking and with Ramsay covering him, his job getting back wasn't too demanding.
Not sure if it was after his debut or after the Bristol City away game and our 0-0 when Ramsay was MOM I said this is great but I can see Apter being exposed defensively if Kayne is off his game or injured or the opposition have excellent wide men.
I just feel you have to preempt problems before they happen so you have a quick answer when the weakness is spotted by the team in the other dugout because any analyst worth a light would be showing the manager/head coach where you can get at your opponent.
After being benched, Apter did get on as sub on the right and put in a great cross that was turned into his own goal.
I believe that was the last we saw of him and now he's at Bolton with mixed reviews but does seem to play as a right midfielder, come right wide when he plays.
Rob Apter never looked like a RWB to me just like TC isn't a LWB. Both are at their best as attacking players which because of 3-5-2 doesn't work.
I would say Sonny is missing Apter as in the first 10 games they seemed to have a decent partnership going.
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This idea that bringing in a loan player stops our own players developing doesn't make sense to me.Take Joe Aribo under Bowyer, he doesn't develop into player picked up by Rangers and playing in a European final if he wasn't playing in a squad with the likes of Cullen, Bielik around him. They we're at a higher level and he improved to reach that with them, he developed his game because he had the talent around him which allowed him to do so.Stick him in a midfield with Doc and Carey, or Cov.... he's not the same player.2
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I remember a few comments when Conor Gallagher came in, querying why we're bringing in Chelsea youngsters when we have talented young players of our own and are blocking their progress.FirenzeAddick said:This idea that bringing in a loan player stops our own players developing doesn't make sense to me.Take Joe Aribo under Bowyer, he doesn't develop into player picked up by Rangers and playing in a European final if he wasn't playing in a squad with the likes of Cullen, Bielik around him. They we're at a higher level and he improved to reach that with them, he developed his game because he had the talent around him which allowed him to do so.Stick him in a midfield with Doc and Carey, or Cov.... he's not the same player.
It's easy to get overexcited by how good your own academy players are. Looking at the young midfielders we used that season, Morgan, Wiredu and Lapslie are now in L1, Dempsey in the Scottish Championship, Vennings and Henry in the NL. Gallagher was way above them.
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If you've got the quality then it's usually pretty obvious even if your teammates are letting you down. One of my pet peeves is when people say "X would look better with better players around him." It's a cop out and often just used by people who like a player but can't justify their continued poor performance.FirenzeAddick said:This idea that bringing in a loan player stops our own players developing doesn't make sense to me.Take Joe Aribo under Bowyer, he doesn't develop into player picked up by Rangers and playing in a European final if he wasn't playing in a squad with the likes of Cullen, Bielik around him. They we're at a higher level and he improved to reach that with them, he developed his game because he had the talent around him which allowed him to do so.Stick him in a midfield with Doc and Carey, or Cov.... he's not the same player.
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