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Olympic Stadium; our day in court
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CorrectedBrentfordAddick said:The Boleyn was pretty hemmed in, it would have been difficult and they wanted more corporate space and all that. They should have got themselves a big old bit of land out in Barking Riverside that could have housed a great new stadium next to a new station but as we know there was desperation to find a use for after the Olympics. The fans were told the new ground would put them in the top 6 of the championship every season.6 -
Agreed. Don't forget the Tevez debacle where West Ham escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth. Long time coming but it will.PragueAddick said:
Dont feel too sorry for them. The vast majority of them wanted that deal. Well in so far as they understood anything about it. They didnt even have a proper Supporters Trust, and the few who did speak up against it were hounded by Brady. I mean really, some quite sinister undertones in play. I remember the second day of the Information Tribunal ( after which we got the full contract released) there were a couple of meatheads sitting at the back of the seats reserved for the public. They didnt try anything to be fair but they definitely weren’t there to assist their post-graduate law degree studies.Leeds_Addick said:
I think that's up for debate. In the 16 years she's been there they've won the championship play off, the conference league and had an average league position of 13th.IdleHans said:Cant stand the sour-faced cow. She's done well for WHU but was instrumental in royally fucking over the taxpayer.
In the 16 years prior to that they won the championship play off, the intertoto cup, were FA cup runners up and had an average league position of 13th.
The main difference is that now they have the worst stadium in the football league. They're the supporters I feel sorry for the most to be honest.
Sod them. I’d rather they went down than Spurs, but it doesnt look likely now.6 -
They’ve been relegated and promoted again since then.man_at_milletts said:
Agreed. Don't forget the Tevez debacle where West Ham escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth. Long time coming but it will.PragueAddick said:
Dont feel too sorry for them. The vast majority of them wanted that deal. Well in so far as they understood anything about it. They didnt even have a proper Supporters Trust, and the few who did speak up against it were hounded by Brady. I mean really, some quite sinister undertones in play. I remember the second day of the Information Tribunal ( after which we got the full contract released) there were a couple of meatheads sitting at the back of the seats reserved for the public. They didnt try anything to be fair but they definitely weren’t there to assist their post-graduate law degree studies.Leeds_Addick said:
I think that's up for debate. In the 16 years she's been there they've won the championship play off, the conference league and had an average league position of 13th.IdleHans said:Cant stand the sour-faced cow. She's done well for WHU but was instrumental in royally fucking over the taxpayer.
In the 16 years prior to that they won the championship play off, the intertoto cup, were FA cup runners up and had an average league position of 13th.
The main difference is that now they have the worst stadium in the football league. They're the supporters I feel sorry for the most to be honest.
Sod them. I’d rather they went down than Spurs, but it doesnt look likely now.1 -
It has been a long time coming but I'd rather see Spurs go down as they are\were one of the Sky Super Six originals that helped football to develop into the to wonderful greedy industry we have today. Spurs are always, according to their fans, title contenders. Many of them were saying only a matter of week back, they could be relegated and win the champions league, they are without doubt even more delusional than Arsenal fans.man_at_milletts said:
Agreed. Don't forget the Tevez debacle where West Ham escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth. Long time coming but it will.PragueAddick said:
Dont feel too sorry for them. The vast majority of them wanted that deal. Well in so far as they understood anything about it. They didnt even have a proper Supporters Trust, and the few who did speak up against it were hounded by Brady. I mean really, some quite sinister undertones in play. I remember the second day of the Information Tribunal ( after which we got the full contract released) there were a couple of meatheads sitting at the back of the seats reserved for the public. They didnt try anything to be fair but they definitely weren’t there to assist their post-graduate law degree studies.Leeds_Addick said:
I think that's up for debate. In the 16 years she's been there they've won the championship play off, the conference league and had an average league position of 13th.IdleHans said:Cant stand the sour-faced cow. She's done well for WHU but was instrumental in royally fucking over the taxpayer.
In the 16 years prior to that they won the championship play off, the intertoto cup, were FA cup runners up and had an average league position of 13th.
The main difference is that now they have the worst stadium in the football league. They're the supporters I feel sorry for the most to be honest.
Sod them. I’d rather they went down than Spurs, but it doesnt look likely now.
Its their year to go down, out of their hands and relying on West Ham to screw up, which may happen. West Ham may well struggle again next season so we may get another treat. And to be honest their fans are not as nearly loathsome as Spurs. They have no ground to call their own and the vast majority hate the one they rent. I watched a podcast on YouTube the guy on there was in no doubt, they and the tax payer have been sold a pup with no real way out other than more expense.
One way or another this season has been gold watching those two cock up on a weekly basis.4 -
Of course judging other fanbases in total is foolhardy, and I used to have the same negative opinion of Spurs fans pretty much all my life. But thanks to the campaign about the Stadium I met Martin and Kat from their Trust, absolutely top people who drove that campaign, and we have our Spurs Lifer, JohnBoy, who seems like the exact opposite of how most people see Spurs fans. By contrast, I dont recall a visiting Hammer on here, and they never bothered to form a Supporters Trust, unlike every other club in London.But I’d rather either of them go down than Forest. It’s important that one of the big clubs falls out of that circus sometimes11
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Karma.man_at_milletts said:
Agreed. Don't forget the Tevez debacle where West Ham escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth. Long time coming but it will.PragueAddick said:
Dont feel too sorry for them. The vast majority of them wanted that deal. Well in so far as they understood anything about it. They didnt even have a proper Supporters Trust, and the few who did speak up against it were hounded by Brady. I mean really, some quite sinister undertones in play. I remember the second day of the Information Tribunal ( after which we got the full contract released) there were a couple of meatheads sitting at the back of the seats reserved for the public. They didnt try anything to be fair but they definitely weren’t there to assist their post-graduate law degree studies.Leeds_Addick said:
I think that's up for debate. In the 16 years she's been there they've won the championship play off, the conference league and had an average league position of 13th.IdleHans said:Cant stand the sour-faced cow. She's done well for WHU but was instrumental in royally fucking over the taxpayer.
In the 16 years prior to that they won the championship play off, the intertoto cup, were FA cup runners up and had an average league position of 13th.
The main difference is that now they have the worst stadium in the football league. They're the supporters I feel sorry for the most to be honest.
Sod them. I’d rather they went down than Spurs, but it doesnt look likely now.1 -
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London taxpayers could end up paying an extra £2.5 million a year if West Ham get relegated 👀
Sadiq Khan’s office says the London Stadium deal means West Ham would pay lower rent in the Championship, while operating costs for the stadium would stay high.
The comments came during a London Assembly budget meeting, where City Hall discussed the ongoing costs linked to the former Olympic Stadium in Stratford.
The Mayor of London told the Standard: “What I’d say to Londoners who don’t support Spurs is you should probably be cheering on West Ham.”0 -
As I said on the relegation thread, Khan should not have said that. He should have kept out of it until after West Ham get relegated and then give it both barrels. Very disappointed with him, since he has generally managed this steaming pile of turd very well since he came to office. It was he who actually initiated the inquiry into the contract, which was very well done, and it was his right hand man at the time with whom I had a meeting, who assured me with quite a steely look that they would not solve the problem by letting West Ham buy the thing. He has been as good as his word, and did not need to say this. Shows his credentials as a fan are a bit weak.Raith_C_Chattonell said:London taxpayers could end up paying an extra £2.5 million a year if West Ham get relegated 👀
Sadiq Khan’s office says the London Stadium deal means West Ham would pay lower rent in the Championship, while operating costs for the stadium would stay high.
The comments came during a London Assembly budget meeting, where City Hall discussed the ongoing costs linked to the former Olympic Stadium in Stratford.
The Mayor of London told the Standard: “What I’d say to Londoners who don’t support Spurs is you should probably be cheering on West Ham.”2 -
A Liverpool fan born and brought up in Tooting, says all you need to know about his fan credentials.PragueAddick said:
As I said on the relegation thread, Khan should not have said that. He should have kept out of it until after West Ham get relegated and then give it both barrels. Very disappointed with him, since he has generally managed this steaming pile of turd very well since he came to office. It was he who actually initiated the inquiry into the contract, which was very well done, and it was his right hand man at the time with whom I had a meeting, who assured me with quite a steely look that they would not solve the problem by letting West Ham buy the thing. He has been as good as his word, and did not need to say this. Shows his credentials as a fan are a bit weak.Raith_C_Chattonell said:London taxpayers could end up paying an extra £2.5 million a year if West Ham get relegated 👀
Sadiq Khan’s office says the London Stadium deal means West Ham would pay lower rent in the Championship, while operating costs for the stadium would stay high.
The comments came during a London Assembly budget meeting, where City Hall discussed the ongoing costs linked to the former Olympic Stadium in Stratford.
The Mayor of London told the Standard: “What I’d say to Londoners who don’t support Spurs is you should probably be cheering on West Ham.”3 -
According to the Mayor of London, London taxpayers will have to pay £2.5m if West Ham relegated0
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Yep, it’s part of the amazing contract that Johnson & Brady put together with their rent being halved if they get relegated. Perhaps games against London teams should have free tickets for the away fans as compensation for funding their white elephant!ross1 said:According to the Mayor of London, London taxpayers will have to pay £2.5m if West Ham relegated8 -
It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.0
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What we can learn is that Johnson is (allegedly) corrupt. Not sure why some have to learn it given they have eyes, ears and a brain. Absolutely, this could have been the country's Athletics stadium, which I think Coe envisaged and revenues to keep it ticking over could be generated by events such as pop concerts. Schools could compete there to inspire future athletes. All you have to know is that if West Ham get relegated, tax payers get to stump up millions.
The press doesn't really delve into this but I'll ask this question. Why are there paid lobbyists? Surely they should lobby for the cause and not financial gain. The reason there are paid lobbyists who wine and dine MPs is that there is an unwritten understanding that there is money behind their interests. Nothing more has to be said, politicians know that if they help the cause, they will benefit in some way in the future. No details are discussed, they just know that rich interests want them to do something and rich interests have to show they will look after them by giving financial benefits to past politicians. After dinner speaking for incredible amounts for example. That is how it works.4 -
Interestingly, The London Stadium is considered a success in terms of post Games usage, relative to other stadia such as Athens, Atlanta and Montreal. Maybe others can learn from us in terms of the stadium being a long term viable construction.BaileyHintonTocknell said:It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.
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SporadicAddick said:
Interestingly, The London Stadium is considered a success in terms of post Games usage, relative to other stadia such as Athens, Atlanta and Montreal. Maybe others can learn from us in terms of the stadium being a long term viable construction.BaileyHintonTocknell said:It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.
TBF, London was probably pretty fortunate that there were two parties that could and also wanted to do a deal for its future use after the Olympics ended and were not too bothered at thinking it through. West Ham clearly seem to have got the financial upper hand but realistically they are tenants locked into a home that’s not ideal for football and at some point, probably not too far along the way, they might want to extract themselves from. It’s hard to see a long term future there for football when the teams they are competing against have quietly been stepping up the off pitch experience and revenue generation capabilities at their stadiums.0 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:SporadicAddick said:
Interestingly, The London Stadium is considered a success in terms of post Games usage, relative to other stadia such as Athens, Atlanta and Montreal. Maybe others can learn from us in terms of the stadium being a long term viable construction.BaileyHintonTocknell said:It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.
TBF, London was probably pretty fortunate that there were two parties that could and also wanted to do a deal for its future use after the Olympics ended and were not too bothered at thinking it through. West Ham clearly seem to have got the financial upper hand but realistically they are tenants locked into a home that’s not ideal for football and at some point, probably not too far along the way, they might want to extract themselves from. It’s hard to see a long term future there for football when the teams they are competing against have quietly been stepping up the off pitch experience and revenue generation capabilities at their stadiums.The problem with The London Stadium is that using it as a football venue was never envisaged when it was built - unlike the City of Manchester Stadium which was built for the 2002 Commonwealth Games but designed knowing it would thereafter be home to Man City. Consequently the London Stadium is a crap stadium for football.On your last point, the hospitality facilities at The London Stadium, although probably not on the scale of Wembley or the Tottenham Stadium, are pretty extensive and impressive and of course knock Old Trafford or Anfield into a cocked hat!It will be interesting to see what sort of crowds they get there if they go down and as the season progresses they are not looking like coming straight back up.2 -
Brady Tory Baroness, Boris Johnson evil Tory, Seb Coe Tory ex MP and now Lord, they all played a major part in stealing the stadium from the lottery players, and taxpayers, and gave it to West Ham virtually for free under very murky circumstances.
I see it all as a conspiracy that treated the loyal East London West Ham fans and the rest of us with typical Tory contempt.
The post Olympic stadium saga has everything to do with politics, no matter how much we ought not discuss politics on Charlton Life.
Other clubs have had to break their banks for new stadia, but West Ham have got away with it at our expense.10 -
That first sentence reminds me of an old poster on this forum…now what was his name?jose said:Brady Tory Baroness, Boris Johnson evil Tory, Seb Coe Tory ex MP and now Lord, they all played a major part in stealing the stadium from the lottery players, and taxpayers, and gave it to West Ham virtually for free under very murky circumstances.
I see it all as a conspiracy that treated the loyal East London West Ham fans and the rest of us with typical Tory contempt.
The post Olympic stadium saga has everything to do with politics, no matter how much we ought not discuss politics on Charlton Life.
Other clubs have had to break their banks for new stadia, but West Ham have got away with it at our expense.6 -
Some people just can’t help themselves.2
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May I remind you that London (i.e. you) had to pay £323m to make this “viable construction “suitable for football, as specified by Gullivan-Brady, who at the same time paid about £20m into Tory Party coffers. London continues to subsidise the rent annually in the range £4-12m annually and as Khan says this amount will increase by £2.5m p.a. all the time they are in the Championship.SporadicAddick said:
Interestingly, The London Stadium is considered a success in terms of post Games usage, relative to other stadia such as Athens, Atlanta and Montreal. Maybe others can learn from us in terms of the stadium being a long term viable construction.BaileyHintonTocknell said:It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.I am curious to know what you think others
can learn from this spectacular waste of
Londoners’ money and the corruption associated with it.9 -
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I’m not a London taxpayer, but that aside, my statement is a matter of fact in terms of post games utilisation relative to other Olympic stadia. In that regard it should be considered a success.PragueAddick said:
May I remind you that London (i.e. you) had to pay £323m to make this “viable construction “suitable for football, as specified by Gullivan-Brady, who at the same time paid about £20m into Tory Party coffers. London continues to subsidise the rent annually in the range £4-12m annually and as Khan says this amount will increase by £2.5m p.a. all the time they are in the Championship.SporadicAddick said:
Interestingly, The London Stadium is considered a success in terms of post Games usage, relative to other stadia such as Athens, Atlanta and Montreal. Maybe others can learn from us in terms of the stadium being a long term viable construction.BaileyHintonTocknell said:It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.I am curious to know what you think others
can learn from this spectacular waste of
Londoners’ money and the corruption associated with it.The financial process by which it is still in use is an entirely separate matter.1 -
I would say he's got more of a Lilliputian stature than that of Gulliver himself.PragueAddick said:
May I remind you that London (i.e. you) had to pay £323m to make this “viable construction “suitable for football, as specified by GullivanSporadicAddick said:
Interestingly, The London Stadium is considered a success in terms of post Games usage, relative to other stadia such as Athens, Atlanta and Montreal. Maybe others can learn from us in terms of the stadium being a long term viable construction.BaileyHintonTocknell said:It is strange how other nations can have Olympic stadiums that work after the Games. Can we learn from them? But it is a bit late now.
-Brady, who at the same time paid about £20m into Tory Party coffers. London continues to subsidise the rent annually in the range £4-12m annually and as Khan says this amount will increase by £2.5m p.a. all the time they are in the Championship.I am curious to know what you think others
can learn from this spectacular waste of
Londoners’ money and the corruption associated with it.
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I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.0
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Why let facts get in the way of a good old political rant?MuttleyCAFC said:I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.0 -
Just knock the bastard thing down, compensate WHU with the paltry amount of rent they would have paid, and sell the land it sits on.2
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Yes but those willing to absolve the guilty are just as bad. Facts in this case shouldn't be viewed as political. The main culprit is not in parliament.CaptainRobbo said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good old political rant?MuttleyCAFC said:I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.2 -
Off with their head's then 🪓MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes but those willing to absolve the guilty are just as bad. Facts in this case shouldn't be viewed as political. The main culprit is not in parliament.CaptainRobbo said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good old political rant?MuttleyCAFC said:I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.0 -
Only if corruption annoys you. If you are happy with it fine.CaptainRobbo said:
Off with their head's then 🪓MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes but those willing to absolve the guilty are just as bad. Facts in this case shouldn't be viewed as political. The main culprit is not in parliament.CaptainRobbo said:
Why let facts get in the way of a good old political rant?MuttleyCAFC said:I think it is wrong to accuse Coe. He wanted the stadium to be the national athletics stadium.1 -
Sell both their grounds and build one between the Isle of Dogs & WHam where they both belong anyway! 😉bobmunro said:IdleHans said:Just knock the bastard thing down, compensate WHU with the paltry amount of rent they would have paid, and sell the land it sits on.
West Ham can then share with Millwall - not that far is it? What could possibly go wrong?
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