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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Ipswich Town: Wednesday 22nd April 2026: KO 19:45
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I sincerely hope that we don't find ourselves spanners for the last game of the season...🤢0
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Cannot fault the effort last night but the gulf in quality is huge between us and 80% of the teams in this league. The last few months has shown us we will need some significant investment to even get close to mid table next season if we manage to squeak in and stay here.
I do worry Jones only has one way to play and it’s dreadful to watch, however as someone pointed out elsewhere, Wrexham play the same way with just much better players, I’d take that, but this is a tough watch with very little success.26 -
Agree 100% @nug0
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If we swapped the year around and had the beginning of the season run now we'd all feel very different despite all of the results being the same.
I'm nervous now, if not convinced it's all going to conspire against us over the next 10 days or so.
First half was encouraging last night but we simply don't have the quality or fitness to maintain long enough to keep teams out who are so much better than us.
I'm not sure it's 100% down to Jones, his decisions make sense and I get the pragmatism considering the skill level he's operating with. Which players are really playing below their level and does a system or approach really affect that?10 -
I completely agree. In the cold light of day, we lost to an Ipswich team that is vastly, vastly better resourced than us through a stupidly conceded penalty and that was the difference. The defeat in isolation is completely understandable…it’s the mentality and obscene number of chances we’ve squandered to secure our status before last night that is the enormous frustration, and I have very little faith that we will pick up another point.siblers said:
There's no shame in losing to Ipswich but people are frustrated that we're in a position that we needed to get a result against them. Survival should have been sealed by nowken_shabby said:That was a tough night. The biggest damage was the three injuries, none of which looked light.
But some of the criticism on here is horrendous. They had players valued higher than our starting eleven ffs.
We started well and the lead was deserved, but Ipswich clawed their way back into the game, and the second half they dominated up to the daft penalty.
After that we tried hard to fashion an opening but they basically held us at arms length, and always looked a threat on the break. The last ten minutes we were essentially down to ten men, and despite our heroic efforts, the passing grew sloppy and we never really troubled them.
So we need a point saturday. I get the frustration but last night wasn't the problem. Three points from Bristol, Preston, Watford, Wednesday and Oxford is the problem.
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Relegation form will see you relegated shock3
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Agreed. This is the single biggest decision that killed us last night. I still don’t understand replacing the pace and threat of TC - that had stopped Ipswich committing so many forwards, and where our goal came from - with a lump upfront. Even Carey or Knibbs would have been better.Jones bringing Dykes on killed us last night - pace in behind caused them trouble, and helped us get up the pitch, bring Dykes, forced us to go long in to him, and the CB gobbled them up.. Not having another option with big of pace or x factor cost us I think. All of the subs was same for same..
Fuller or even Dixon, to give us something different is key!
I am starting to become annoyed with Jones now, and the way he set's us up. We have no plan B, and we just lump the call forward, and that is down to the way we are being set-up!2 -
Old enough to remember when Southampton hadn’t won away all season in 98/99.agim said:We have to lose both games (entirely possible) and oxford have to win both games, something they've only done once this season (two back to back wins). For me the odds are in our favour especially as they go to Millwall who as horrible as it is are one of the more impressive teams in the league. That we are in this position is a shambles from where we were but let's get the job done by 2.15 on Saturday before Oxford have even kicked a ball! Hull are out of form, one win in six and that was against Wednesday. Lloyd Jones needs to be on his a game against McBurnie and I'd get Coady in the DM role to man mark Gelhardt0 -
Wrexham do not play the same way. I really don’t get how anyone can watch Wrexham and think that. They play fast, attacking football.Nug said:Cannot fault the effort last night but the gulf in quality is huge between us and 80% of the teams in this league. The last few months has shown us we will need some significant investment to even get close to mid table next season if we manage to squeak in and stay here.
I do worry Jones only has one way to play and it’s dreadful to watch, however as someone pointed out elsewhere, Wrexham play the same way with just much better players, I’d take that, but this is a tough watch with very little success.3 -
I thought all the subs were a bit odd, apart from bringing on Chambers which shouldn’t have been necessary. JRC was largely anonymous but lasted 78 minutes and Carey brought some much needed energy. Knibbs seemingly only came on for his height but I agree, he would have been more useful than Dykes if he’d had a whole half to play. Godden only getting on with 12 minutes left was bizarre also, even if he hadn’t been crocked he didn’t have much time to effect the game. Just all a bit oddThe Red Robin said:.DubaiCAFC said:
Agreed. This is the single biggest decision that killed us last night. I still don’t understand replacing the pace and threat of TC - that had stopped Ipswich committing so many forwards, and where our goal came from - with a lump upfront. Even Carey or Knibbs would have been better.Jones bringing Dykes on killed us last night - pace in behind caused them trouble, and helped us get up the pitch, bring Dykes, forced us to go long in to him, and the CB gobbled them up.. Not having another option with big of pace or x factor cost us I think. All of the subs was same for same..
Fuller or even Dixon, to give us something different is key!
I am starting to become annoyed with Jones now, and the way he set's us up. We have no plan B, and we just lump the call forward, and that is down to the way we are being set-up!2 -
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TC went off through injury, the Kelman sub I don’t understand.5
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Horrible match. Ipswich are a league above us in terms of both budget and quality, admittedly, but they injured our two best attacking threats with poor challenges - and we desperately need them fit to stay up.They also had a player booked for simulation. One camera angle showed that the penalty was also simulation. Macca foolishly laid a hand on him, but not enough to anything like bring him down; but, just like Jack Clarke, it looked on the replay that he did the old ‘stiff leg’ trick. I’d have to see it again to be sure, but I think VAR would have overruled it and given him a booking.Naive of Macca though, either way.
Can’t stand Ipswich. Hope they stay down.
I don't think Oxford have anything like enough to win both their remaining matches, but with all the injuries I’m not expecting us to even pinch a draw from ours. It’s very worrying that we’ll probably have to rely on another team not winning to stay up.7 -
I renewed my season ticket before the Ipswich game. I really should know better but there you go. As mentioned I thought the first 30 minutes we were excellent but just knew we wouldn’t keep it up for 90 minutes. Docherty probably had his best first half of the season for us. NJ thanked the board at the beginning of the season for backing him with our signings but the reality is we assembled a very good standard for league one but not the Championship. Results don’t lie. The January transfer window made us more competitive but the fact we rarely score more than one goal makes winning any game a battle. We are where we are for a reason. NJ was the right manager to get us out of league one. If we stay up , as I’ve said before, then going forward we need a better squad & probably a new manager who can get us playing a more attractive style. The big question of course is who ? Let’s face it how many of us have enjoyed watching the football that’s been served up this season regardless of results ? Some of that has been because of the necessity of Jones trying to get the best out of what he’s got but he’s certainly made some baffling decisions at times. If though God forbid we do go down , then we might as well stick with him , as he’s probably the best chance we have of getting back again. Winning ugly football is certainly more preferable to losing ugly football. Even then, how many will say they can’t watch what is being served up anymore ? BTW. I thought the ref last night was abysmal. I sometimes wonder if they deliberately make bad decisions because we have Jones winding them up from the sidelines or if they are just truly incompetent . Final thought. I really felt for Matty Godden last night. He battled through pain to stay on the pitch, although you have to question the sense of it. His season has definitely ended now.7
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I don't think we're helped with those by those bloody advertising boards. I was watching the throws on the Curbs side and Carey was consistently leaning back on them trying to get a bit of space. It's narrow enough, just because of the way the Stadium has been designed. Add in those silly boys light boxes and there just isn't the space for a run up.RedPanda said:Our main source of "creativity" was long throws and we're crap those at those too, especially without Clarke.1 -
why do i feel so bad this morning ?, last night i was almost stunned into silence but this morning it feels worse . i have lived through some bad times with Charlton the first being us losing 4/3 at home to Blackburn in the fifties in front of 56,000 people . We only neededa draw to go up to what was then the first division. Im not ashamed to say as an 8 year old boy I cried all the way home to London Bridge. So why so bad this morning ?is it the realisation that all the hard work of last season is vanishing. In my time i have been to wembley 4 times and seen us win 3 , so ive had my day in the sun. so why? i felt the season imploded with the sending off in the milwall game , where we were in controlSo why. is it the fact we cant score more than one goal agame and we dont havea plan B ?is it we make some monumental mess ups in defence and have 2 goal keepers who go from hero to zero in the space of a week. Thats all i needed to get off my chest .I dont know how the season will pan out . I watched Oxford / Wrexham the other night and Oxford looked better than us . Its in our own hands now.Perhaps thats why i feel so bad.best wishes to all on this forum14
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Come on Charlton. Don’t be the side that ends up as a quiz question later… never in the relegation zone all season, then relegated on the final day.Awful timing for Godden, TC and Bell to get injured. All three were barely able to walk, so it’s hard to see them playing any part in the last two games.
1 point to enjoy the final weekend of April please 😉1 -
Oxford could say that if their defender didn't do that braindead pull on Jones that gave us an injury time pen then they'd be 3 points closer to us. As frustrating as it is it's not just us.Rossman92 said:I cannot get Mannion’s Howlers, Gillesphey’s Briandead arm pull, or Kaminski’s pathetic excuse of a penalty save out of my mind. If any of those things don’t happen, we probably have at least 1 more point. And that’s all we need
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100% agree with all of that.AFKABartram said:Harsh and cold reality is we are where we deserve to be.We got 23 points from the first 14 games when we were still playing with the momentum of last season.
Since they evaporated, we’ve got just 27 in the 30 that followed. And we had a helping hand in some of those.People keep referring to the Middlesbrough game, but it was a freak result where we defended for 90 mins and they had 34 shots that never went in.I haven’t seen a team for months as poor as us, who score so few goals, has large gaps in midfield and increasingly as the season gone on found it hard to keep a clean sheet.We need a momentous effort to get that point. It can be done so it’s not a write off yet, but without that first two months of the season we would have already been condemned weeks ago.
Bizarrely Boro never went within 10 yards of the goal, including free headers in front of goal.
You couldn't have complained if they'd beaten us 5-1.2 -
Might be the last we see in a Charlton shirt of Godden, Bell (is he only on a one year contract or have I got that wrong?) and TC. Starting to think we are cursed.
I don’t get why Dykes is ahead of Leaburn in Jones’ pecking order? So much more to come from Leaburn who has a much better all round game. He’d have been a far better replacement for TC but wasn’t even on the bench. I’m assuming he was just surplus last night rather than also injured?2 -
Bell has another year and it definitely sounded like the club will activate Godden’s extra year when NJ spoke about it recently. TC we may listen to offers for but NJ will also be pushing for him to sign a new dealWeegie Addick said:Might be the last we see in a Charlton shirt of Godden, Bell (is he only on a one year contract or have I got that wrong?) and TC. Starting to think we are cursed.
I don’t get why Dykes is ahead of Leaburn in Jones’ pecking order? So much more to come from Leaburn who has a much better all round game. He’d have been a far better replacement for TC but wasn’t even on the bench. I’m assuming he was just surplus last night rather than also injured?1 -
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There is mitigation last night with Bell, TC and Godden all getting crocked. Just like against Preston at home we started on the front foot and scored from a bad pass which TC did well to drive at the defence and from a poor push out from the keeper Docherty was there to get a shot on target, albeit with the help of the ball going in off two defenders.
My first reaction was we need another goal to get a point and as we know in 39 matches so far...
I have wanted us to play the ball to TC or Kelman in the channels to test their CB's on the ground and it worked at first but then as Ipswich started to pass and move and take control of the ball we start to hoof the ball forward which is meat and drink to their strong take no prisoners defence.
I thought like others Docherty was our MOM and was unlucky with his attempted block when he was in the right place but the ball went through his legs from a well placed shot from Furlong after Philogene finally got a run on Sichenje.
No lack of effort in the 2nd half but Fullah for an injured TC in a wide position would've been a straight swap but in his wisdom Nathan decided to put Berry on the bench instead!
Ipswich despite not being in top gear managed the 2nd half comfortably as the high ball to Dykes failed again and Ipswich somehow didn't get their 3rd.
Macca made a poor challenge and Kaminski some how dives over a poor struck penalty.
The season is over 46 games and we had the 10 points clear after the win at Middlesbrough but now we have to probably rely on our nemesis to win or not lose in the 46th match as we have crucial injuries.
It's so painful being a Charlton fan 🤦🏻♂️
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I was thinking the same about Godden. That many injuries in that short a space of time at his stage of career will make many think it's time to call it a day.Weegie Addick said:Might be the last we see in a Charlton shirt of Godden, Bell (is he only on a one year contract or have I got that wrong?) and TC. Starting to think we are cursed.
I don’t get why Dykes is ahead of Leaburn in Jones’ pecking order? So much more to come from Leaburn who has a much better all round game. He’d have been a far better replacement for TC but wasn’t even on the bench. I’m assuming he was just surplus last night rather than also injured?1 -
Apologies for my language on the match thread last night. I’ve fully lost the plot and can’t handle this anymore 😂7
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When you need a ref, I mean a REAL ref, they're nowhere to be seen, just the cheating dross served up week after week...i'm spitting blood after last night farce of a show...FFS3
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Quite simply, because Dykes is better. Leaburn hasn't lived up to his promise at all this season. I genuinely feel sorry for the lad, but he's not been the same since injury. There's some sort of hangover there, I don't know if it's a physical thing or a mental thing, but unfortunately he just isn't as good as he used to be and is nowhere near as good as we'd hoped he would become.Weegie Addick said:Might be the last we see in a Charlton shirt of Godden, Bell (is he only on a one year contract or have I got that wrong?) and TC. Starting to think we are cursed.
I don’t get why Dykes is ahead of Leaburn in Jones’ pecking order? So much more to come from Leaburn who has a much better all round game. He’d have been a far better replacement for TC but wasn’t even on the bench. I’m assuming he was just surplus last night rather than also injured?9 -
Nug said:Cannot fault the effort last night but the gulf in quality is huge between us and 80% of the teams in this league. The last few months has shown us we will need some significant investment to even get close to mid table next season if we manage to squeak in and stay here.
I do worry Jones only has one way to play and it’s dreadful to watch, however as someone pointed out elsewhere, Wrexham play the same way with just much better players, I’d take that, but this is a tough watch with very little success.
Precisely. It's amazing how Phil Parkinson has become such a successful manager since having the best (or significantly good) budget and tv show to attract talent that would otherwise go nowhere near Wrexham in every league he's been in with them.
Would Jones have us in the play offs if he had tens of millions to spend, who knows, maybe not but I very much doubt we'd be where we are if he had. When our season spending equates to less than half the cost of Ipwich's subs bench there needs to be some perspective.
IF we stay up and Jones gets a competitive budget next season then he will rightly be judged on who he brings in and how they perform and the results he gets and if he fails he fails but the complete gulf in quality of squads regardless of it being a 'poor championship' is gargantuan.
Frustrating and hair pulling some of the decisions/ tactics of course but the tools he has to work with severely limit us when literally only 2 or 3 of our squad (not team) are consistently championship quality (L Jones, Godden and Bell) with 2 of them unfortunately being injury prone.
If we do go down or stay up regardless who is in charge the owners need to realise that money needs to be thrown at the sqaud.
Yes the lincolns and millwalls have over achieved versus budget due to great management (and the latter having some quality in azeez and Crama) but it's far more likely to succeed with more money invested and a better depth of quality throughout a squad over 46 games.
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Liked the way we attacked the first half. As others have said, reminiscent of the early season playbook.
Gut feels that’s the way to go these next two, but suspect Jones will park the bus and hope.
Think it was the best I have seen Doc play for us, coming into the moments in his time with us when we need that most. Whatever his limitations, he will be a player I will not forget, unlike many over the last 15 years.
Fevrier also. Shown enough to make me think we should maybe keep him, especially if we go down. Interested to see whether he can keep that up next two.
The injuries (all from fouls?) could really damage us. I think it will. Arguably more damaging than the defeat.
TC again showed his considerable value in our circumstances, and I would like to see him in a better side. Don’t understand the clamour to get rid of him. Yes, he needs more end product, but he gets us up the pitch and causes problems for defences. Who do we replace him with? We need more with that profile in addition to him; competition and the chance for him to develop.
Disappointing numbers in the ground, given the importance. A few of my friends didn’t come. I think denuded by disappointment and fear.
Losing (which I expected) last night hurt much more than I thought it would. It hurts still this morning. I think it is the very real prospect of league 1 football again. I so want to break the cycle of the last two decades and get a foothold at this level – the damage has been immense.
Whatever we think about how we ended up here, surely everyone would have settled survival, and the team deserves and needs backing the next two games. I don’t see many (any?) not putting a shift in.
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Like.many others this morning, I feel awful today.
In my case not only because of last nights result but because I have also tested positive for COVID this morning!
It never rains but it pours!0 -
These next 2 games are huge. Swansea away is selling well, but where are the home fans? Saturday could be just as important as the wycombe semi final so we need a packed valley getting behind the teamdickad1 said:Liked the way we attacked the first half. As others have said, reminiscent of the early season playbook.
Gut feels that’s the way to go these next two, but suspect Jones will park the bus and hope.
Think it was the best I have seen Doc play for us, coming into the moments in his time with us when we need that most. Whatever his limitations, he will be a player I will not forget, unlike many over the last 15 years.
Fevrier also. Shown enough to make me think we should maybe keep him, especially if we go down. Interested to see whether he can keep that up next two.
The injuries (all from fouls?) could really damage us. I think it will. Arguably more damaging than the defeat.
TC again showed his considerable value in our circumstances, and I would like to see him in a better side. Don’t understand the clamour to get rid of him. Yes, he needs more end product, but he gets us up the pitch and causes problems for defences. Who do we replace him with? We need more with that profile in addition to him; competition and the chance for him to develop.
Disappointing numbers in the ground, given the importance. A few of my friends didn’t come. I think denuded by disappointment and fear.
Losing (which I expected) last night hurt much more than I thought it would. It hurts still this morning. I think it is the very real prospect of league 1 football again. I so want to break the cycle of the two decades and get a foothold at this level – the damage has been immense.
Whatever we think about how we ended up here, surely everyone would have settled survival, and the team deserves and needs backing the next two games. I don’t see many (any?) not putting a shift in.
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Despite his part in the goal, I would have hooked TC fifteen minutes in, and I say that as a fan of his. He's great on his day, but awful when it isn't, and that wasn't. Every decision he made (including the shot that lead to the goal) was the wrong one. He got into great positions, then underhit or overhit the cross, or shot when he should have passed, or passed when he should have shot, or held onto the ball when he had sight of goal only to then shoot when a defender was in front of him. The one time he did pass when it was the right thing to do, he stuck it behind the player and a promising move came to nothing.
Their second goal was a microcosm of the whole season, a stupid, uneccessary foul (with overtones of a bad refereeing decision) followed by a piss poor penalty that Kaminsky should have thrown his cap on, somehow hitting the back of the net.
The referee was too easily fooled by their antics, and too lenient on their dirty play - right at the start when (I think) O'Shea flew at Fav and missed him, his boot was four inches off the ground, studs up, and all he got was a talking to, I thought then, "Oh, here we go". Three crocked players later...
Once again, we played well for twenty or thirty minutes-ish, either side of an hour of desperation.7
