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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,148
    Get more points than this season.
    Finish higher than this season.
    Score more goals than season.
    Beat Millwall.
  • cafc_se7
    cafc_se7 Posts: 2,465
    12th-16th

    You only have to look at Oxford and Pompey to see that it’s incredibly tough to sustain status. I think this would be a huge achievement. We need to mellow out and just compete for season upon season, the champ is more exciting than the prem anyway.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,472
    Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.

    I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position. 

    I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.

    I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans asking for pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could. 
    People only care about the style of football if we aren’t winning games. I didn’t hear any complaints from January 2025 to October 2025 when we were doing well and winning a lot of games. The style only became an issue when we started losing more games 
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,455
    NabySarr said:
    Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.

    I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position. 

    I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.

    I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans asking for pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could. 
    People only care about the style of football if we aren’t winning games. I didn’t hear any complaints from January 2025 to October 2025 when we were doing well and winning a lot of games. The style only became an issue when we started losing more games 
    Sorry but you may have noticed my posts.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,126
    60 point season and around 12-15th, think that's progress, it shows we're continuing to improve, and the football will come, but establishing ourselves in this year is more then a one year project
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,022
    I’d like to think that there is a strong link between “Nathan’s journey “ and the board’s journey. I realise we all want things done in a rush but that’s not realistic and although we survived last season and assuming our promotion was a little unexpected I think we learned some harsh lessons. We did spend but there has to be question marks over some of our signings which I think it’s fair to say will prove costly. This summer I’d like any money we have spent on perhaps four or five players that markedly improve us. I don’t think it’s necessary to decimate the squad. Retain those we have with some judicious pruning and replace those with the four or five quality additions. Just think on this season with a quality striker and midfielder and already I think we’d be better off than 53 points. Plug any holes with loans in the mould of januarys business and I think comfortable mid table is doable. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,148
    cafc_se7 said:
    12th-16th

    You only have to look at Oxford and Pompey to see that it’s incredibly tough to sustain status. I think this would be a huge achievement. We need to mellow out and just compete for season upon season, the champ is more exciting than the prem anyway.
    However Derby finished below both Oxford and Pompey last year, spent around 12m on transfers this year and are in with an outside chance of the play offs going into the last day. So some solid progression can be done if you recruit well.
  • elbiglad
    elbiglad Posts: 238
    Steady progression and improvement has to be the aim. The style of play doesn't concern me yet, just results.

    The league is so bunched in the middle that we don't need a dramatic change in fortunes to climb up the table. If the season were to end today we would finish seven points off the top half. There have been plenty of playoff chasing teams we've come up against this year that I have been unimpressed by, but they are more consistent than us and either able to go on winning runs or grind out results when they aren't at their best. Unfortunately we have had quite a few barren periods this year:
    • Five losses in a row in November / December.
    • Four games without a win over December and January. 
    • Four games without a win in February. 
    • Seven games without a win across March and April
    This is to be expected in our first year in the league - we've also picked up points from very unlikely situations, that's football. If we can avoid these long spells of poor form then there's no reason we can't improve our league position next year. 

    A lot of the target-setting process depends on our transfer business this summer. I am cautious about the amount of turnover some seem to want as it's clear to me that Jones is big on team chemistry and character. However, I still think we will need 6-8 players in. To me this should consist of a couple of loans, a couple of frees, and decent money spent on three or four players. All of that is before factoring in any unexpected departures. It will be a busy summer.
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,502
    Two girls, me watching....

    Edit. sorry wrong thread.




  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,472
    I’d like to think that there is a strong link between “Nathan’s journey “ and the board’s journey. I realise we all want things done in a rush but that’s not realistic and although we survived last season and assuming our promotion was a little unexpected I think we learned some harsh lessons. We did spend but there has to be question marks over some of our signings which I think it’s fair to say will prove costly. This summer I’d like any money we have spent on perhaps four or five players that markedly improve us. I don’t think it’s necessary to decimate the squad. Retain those we have with some judicious pruning and replace those with the four or five quality additions. Just think on this season with a quality striker and midfielder and already I think we’d be better off than 53 points. Plug any holes with loans in the mould of januarys business and I think comfortable mid table is doable. 
    If we’d just had a backup left wing back all season we’d probably have 60 points. I really don’t think revolution is required for us to progress. 5 good signings in the right areas and retaining the good players we have could be enough to really push us on 

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  • HastingsRed
    HastingsRed Posts: 1,761
    Within the rules how much could we spend on new signings?
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,332
    Targets:  I shudder whenever I see that word.  They are always a bad idea. If anyone is interested search Goodhart's Law.  (Targets have been screwing over the general performance of the NHS for decades.)

    Anyway as a simple example, if a striker is given a target of 20 goals in a season (and a bonus if he achieves that), it will probably distort the play and performance of the team.  Said striker is always likely to shoot even when a pass to another better-placed player would be more desirable.

    If the club can put in place a number of measures that can demonstrate how well we are doing both on and off the pitch then all well and good. 

    The key, for me, has to be to increase income. With the limits placed on losses over a three-year period. (£39mn is it?) we are always going to struggle to compete without the relief provided by more income. With the best will in the world you are not going to get significant extra money from the fans. TV money is fairly fixed, so that leaves receipts from outgoing transfers and additional sponsorship as the main drivers. Alice Larkworthy as Commercial Director has got one hell of a job to do.
  • Diebythesword
    Diebythesword Posts: 746
    Two girls, me watching....

    Edit. sorry wrong thread.




    https://youtu.be/wFFMS30iPFs?si=tGUOw3Ij5fMLWbIm
  • scruffle
    scruffle Posts: 2,386
    next years aims/targets/expectations.

    First team - Just to stay up again, would be nice to finish the season safe with 4/5 to go rather than 1 game, so 60 point target I think would be seen as a success. I'd like see us compete with teams a bit better and show real intent with the ball, really don't care if that means 30% possession if when we have possession we have purpose and threat going forward and not aimless hoofs up field that 90% of the time come straight back.

    Academy - Cat 1 for the academy achieved, with 2 more graduates seen as genuine first 18 options, and 2 further squad options.

    Women's team - I don't follow them but from headlines looks like they've had a great season, if they can get a following and get closer to breaking even maybe with the promotion this might help. Surely the more money we generate as a whole club the better it is for everyone and we'll generate much higher advertising revenue across the club if so.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 5,047
    Sometimes second season can be just as hard ask Pompey and Oxford … so again number one aim will be to stay up 

  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,315
    I think what this season showed more than anything is that the style we play is incredibly draining and if we can't play our desired style we're god awful. We started the season so well and then one or two injuries in the wrong areas and a bit of fatigue and we were atrocious. We perked up a bit with some fresh blood in January, brought in 4 proper first teamers and 2 more to rotate in and immediately we looked more balanced and energetic. We then lost a bit of steam again and a bit more rotation - more Kelman, Godden returning, more Fevrier, JRC and Knibbs - and we had enough again to get over the line.

    All that to say that we need to be able to rotate our squad with quality like for like players. Gillesphey has decent games sometimes - Hull, Middlesbrough - but can also cost us. We can't afford to rotate him in regularly for Bell. Knibbs took too long to get up to speed and was injured so Carey had to stay in despite his form. Edwards didn't have reasonable backup so we died in the period where we didn't have a LWB. Burke was too unfit to cover Ramsay consistently (and you do maybe have to wonder about Sichenje already). Before Dykes and Godden's return we just had Leaburn, TC, Kelman and Olaofe who had to play regardless of form. Coady fixed up some of the problems we got with Coventry but there wasn't a realistic replacement for Doc who offered the energy that role needs. Both the keepers are a bit ropey. The aim this summer has to be improving on our weakest first team players while keeping the better ones around as effective rotation options. We need a better player than Doc, an equivalent to Bell, Edwards and whoever is at RWB. We need pace and direct running as an alternative to TC, we need a holding midfielder with Coady's positional sense but more mobility. The target has to be ending the first window with upgrades on first teamers from this season with the first teamers who kept us in the league still there as sufficient options to put into lineups that don't significantly weaken us. If we've done that then the expectations can be to not have to worry about relegation and have a Bristol City type season.
  • NabySarr said:
    Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.

    I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position. 

    I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.

    I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans asking for pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could. 
    People only care about the style of football if we aren’t winning games. I didn’t hear any complaints from January 2025 to October 2025 when we were doing well and winning a lot of games. The style only became an issue when we started losing more games





    I wouldn’t be so sure, I’ve seen plenty of ‘better style of play’ comments on this and other threads since securing Championship status. To me there’s a huge disconnect to what the expectations of a percentage of the fan base are with the actual resources available to NJ.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,726
    NabySarr said:
    Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.

    I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position. 

    I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.

    I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans asking for pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could. 
    People only care about the style of football if we aren’t winning games. I didn’t hear any complaints from January 2025 to October 2025 when we were doing well and winning a lot of games. The style only became an issue when we started losing more games 
    The style of football we played during that period was better than we've played more recently. Since January, we've regressed to a really basic style of hoofball, relying a lot on long throws, which we weren't playing in the autumn, when we were playing more of a pressing game, and scoring good goals on the turnover.

    I understand why we initially went back to basics to grind out results, but it then stopped working so we ended up playing ugly football, and losing anyway. 

    It's interesting that NJ changed it up for the last 2 games, reverting more to how we played in the autumn, and we looked both more effective and more attractive.

  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,829
    I don't see any team coming up who will spend like Wrexham or Birmingham, Cardiff maybe, but anway finish above those three is a must. If we have a target, then become established as a Championship side is a target, sides such as Swansea and Bristol City would be in that genre. As for the squad, it's an interesting one, with the return of Mbick, Kanu and Oloafe, would add to Leaburn, Godden, Kelman and Dykes if he signs. Loans again for Mbick, Kanu, Oloafe and possibly Leaburn, but a quality finisher must be brought in. Quality must also be added to the midfield, wing backs and back three. There is my wish list, if the squad gets trimed in quantity and quality is brought in, I'm confident that we can have a good season. 
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,394
    There are some unrealistic expectations as well as some realistic ones. We will still have one of the smallest playing budgets in the League, although maybe not 3rd lowest this time. 
    One thing I hope we will do better at is our summer recruitment which wasn't great last year. Improved a lot with the loans in January (and Shijenje). This time last year we were still hedging our bets at whether it was players for League 1. Besides having an extra month, players will look at us as more solid and progressive. We all have our opinions of the holes that need filling and those to be moved on. Overall target for me would just be something like 17-19th. 
    Off the field 2 targets, keep trying to build long term support (particularly youngsters). Secondly to increase commercial revenue somehow - it's the only realistic way to increase our playing budget. 

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  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 9,054
    Get Ahadme back - still feel that boys gonna come good
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,831
    Transfer fees and wages for any new recruits are going to have a very serious and quite low ceiling if the current ownership is to keep the company's losses within the strict limits.
    All expectations for squad enhancement have to be kept on the low side of realistic.
    The club's business finances have been improving but not to the degree that gets us into the stratospheric figures bandied around in this lunatic division in recent years.
    One or two departees might generate small fees, e.g. Alex Mitchell
    Reality may strike in that if significant, profit making offers come in for anybody then they will have to be given serious consideration, however unpalatable they will be.
    Solid offers need to be made for Harry Clarke and Jayden Fevrier.  Neither is the absolute finished article for Championship football but both have proved that they are very able campaigners, both show heart and commitment, both bring character and both are the best we've seen, this season, in their correct wing-back positions.
    Most of the recently acquired bodies that haven't shaped up will have to be offloaded with dispassionate haste.
    Margins in this division preclude carrying any deadweight.
    January's recruitment was far more successful than last summer's.  Let's assume that was down to good management more than luck and with a full month more to repair and improve the squad than in '25, our good spell can last beyond August.
    So long as we finish 18th or above next season, hitting 50 points before the end of March we can count it as solid progression.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,148
    Bailey said:
    I don't see any team coming up who will spend like Wrexham or Birmingham, Cardiff maybe, but anway finish above those three is a must. If we have a target, then become established as a Championship side is a target, sides such as Swansea and Bristol City would be in that genre. As for the squad, it's an interesting one, with the return of Mbick, Kanu and Oloafe, would add to Leaburn, Godden, Kelman and Dykes if he signs. Loans again for Mbick, Kanu, Oloafe and possibly Leaburn, but a quality finisher must be brought in. Quality must also be added to the midfield, wing backs and back three. There is my wish list, if the squad gets trimed in quantity and quality is brought in, I'm confident that we can have a good season. 
    I think Cardiff are pretty skint. They lost 35m in their last championship season, and i can't imagine it got a lot better in league one, so i'm not sure they can go wild on transfers without soon finding themselves in PSR trouble.
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,611
    The answer to the question is dependent on how much investment is made in the first team squad. Spend c£10m inclusive of the Sichenje fee and I think we will likely remain in the 4th Quartile but hopefully out of harms way. I also think that unless perhaps 50-100% more is not spent on top of £10m we will have to accept compromise on play style etc. 

    As commented above the quality will be better next season with less likely teams facing the sorts of points deductions they did this season. 

    If NJ, Chapple and Rodwell are handed a £15m war chest I would hope we can get to 15-18th place and play a bit more on the deck football than this season but again don’t expect that to be consistent - the f we try it we risk getting battered at this stage of our squad’s evolution. 

    We need to remember the Brighton and Palaces of this world - well over 10 years ago they were flirting with relegation in the Champ before they kicked on through gradual evolution and a few of their youngsters maturing into menaces. We will need patience for sure. Ibby, Mwamba, Mbick and Gough to name but a few could be the next Zaha, White, Dunk and Ferguson type players. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,083
    1. Get Cat 1 for the academy. Huge long term benefits in recruitment and retention as well as finance.

    2. Improve fitness and availability of players. All teams have injuries but even a small improvement over other clubs in the league turns defeats into draws and draws into wins. Early in the season we outworked teams and scored lots of late goals but that style is itself damaging to fitness.  Take fewer risks on good but injury prone players.

    3. Convert the casino into a museum. Shocking that a club with our history doesn't have a museum.

    4.  Increase commercial income. Get new caterers or better still bring it in house. Season ticket pricing is sensible, we await the matchday prices.

    5. Leave playing "style" to the manager. That should never be a board decision. Personally, I'll take grinding out a win over a free flowing defeat every day.

    6. Hire a CEO or restructure internally to have a clear structure and leader.

    7. Support, but without the controlling "computer says no" current approach, local supporters' group. They are currently being strangled to death.

    8. Don't destroy Valley Gold with over complicated membership schemes that offer few, if any, added benefits.

    9. Review why the summer recruitment was less effective that January. Why have so many summer signings not been able to hold down regular starting or even squad places?  We're no longer "newly promoted via the play-offs" so we should be more attractive to senior and attractive players. Recruit from the teams promoted to the EPL and EPL reserve sides more than league 1.

    10. Continue to back Nathan Jones. Our most succesful manager since Powell. Yes, he can be frustrating and it's hard to always see the thinking behind his decisions but we don't always have the whole picture on injuries, form, attitude, opposition etc and he achieved, on a very small budget, what was our no.1 KPI ie staying up.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,726
    Bailey said:
    I don't see any team coming up who will spend like Wrexham or Birmingham, Cardiff maybe, but anway finish above those three is a must. If we have a target, then become established as a Championship side is a target, sides such as Swansea and Bristol City would be in that genre. As for the squad, it's an interesting one, with the return of Mbick, Kanu and Oloafe, would add to Leaburn, Godden, Kelman and Dykes if he signs. Loans again for Mbick, Kanu, Oloafe and possibly Leaburn, but a quality finisher must be brought in. Quality must also be added to the midfield, wing backs and back three. There is my wish list, if the squad gets trimed in quantity and quality is brought in, I'm confident that we can have a good season. 
    I think Cardiff are pretty skint. They lost 35m in their last championship season, and i can't imagine it got a lot better in league one, so i'm not sure they can go wild on transfers without soon finding themselves in PSR trouble.
    Cardiff have been pretty sensible in L1, using some very good academy players like the Colwill brothers and Dylan Lawlor. I can't see them splurging in the summer.

    All 3 promoted sides from L1 this summer should have lower budgets than us.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,315
    It hurts me to say it but we should try and follow Millwalls blueprint. 
    Improve a bit season on season and now look where they are.
    So 60 points next season 
    65 points the following season and then start to challenge for the play offs. 
    If the scum can achieve this there's no reason why we can't.
  • Mid-table mediocrity for me.

    This time last year we had a stressful 4 games remaining requiring all of the club's focus. Add to that the uncertainty of what division we would be in, alongside an unorganised recruitment structure and it prevented a lot of our ability to plan and implement.

    We have done brilliantly to survive and in doing so have a full summer ahead to assess, plan and progress.

    One area I'd add to if I were the board is our coaching staff.

  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,902
    Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?

  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,394
    cafcfan said:
    Targets:  I shudder whenever I see that word.  They are always a bad idea. If anyone is interested search Goodhart's Law.  (Targets have been screwing over the general performance of the NHS for decades.)

    Anyway as a simple example, if a striker is given a target of 20 goals in a season (and a bonus if he achieves that), it will probably distort the play and performance of the team.  Said striker is always likely to shoot even when a pass to another better-placed player would be more desirable.

    If the club can put in place a number of measures that can demonstrate how well we are doing both on and off the pitch then all well and good. 

    The key, for me, has to be to increase income. With the limits placed on losses over a three-year period. (£39mn is it?) we are always going to struggle to compete without the relief provided by more income. With the best will in the world you are not going to get significant extra money from the fans. TV money is fairly fixed, so that leaves receipts from outgoing transfers and additional sponsorship as the main drivers. Alice Larkworthy as Commercial Director has got one hell of a job to do.
    I can only conclude none of the current squad are on such a bonus 😆