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Just what is this 'expansive football.'SouthLincsAddick said:Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.
I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position.I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans demanding pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could.
Is it too much to ask for a team that
passes the ball forwards on the ground, creating openings and taking a shot on goal.
That's all many fans are asking for, not to bang it in the air like a hot potato that needs cooling down and to land aimlessly and fruitlessly on some tall bugger's head.
Is that really too much to ask?
You can play real football AND stop the opposition playing their game you know?3 -
I understand what people are trying to say with 'Expansive' and 'Entertaining' football. What people actually want is more goals, and the creation of higher quality chances at a greater frequency. Now the question is, do we have to be 'Entertaining' in order to do that? We struggle to break blocks down, so getting the quality in to do that is key for a start.jimmymelrose said:
Just what is this 'expansive football.'SouthLincsAddick said:Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.
I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position.I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans demanding pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could.
Is it too much to ask for a team that
passes the ball forwards on the ground, creating openings and taking a shot on goal.
That's all many fans are asking for, not to bang it in the air like a hot potato that needs cooling down and to land aimlessly and fruitlessly on some tall bugger's head.
Is that really too much to ask?
You can play real football AND stop the opposition playing their game you know?2 -
We've not beaten them once in thirty years, and you're aiming for twice in a season? Bit unrealistic, no? I'd settle for just not losing to them, to be honest, and finishing 13-18. "Play better football" is a nice to have, but less important than "win enough games to be safe by mid-April" and is reliant on us having players able to play that way. I'm still somewhat scarred by the attempts to play it out from the back under Ben Garner.DOUCHER said:Targets:
mid table finish
beat millwall x 2
increase revenue / commercial income / sponsorship - whatever it is that allows us to spend more on players
play better football
get elite academy status
have a decent cup run or 2
Realistically, finish higher than we have this year and play some better football will do.0 -
Surely Apter’s position / role would have been discussed with him prior to signing, he must have thought he’d be capable.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then you have to ask the question why he was signed. Perhaps it was thought he could adjust to NJ’s demands but it’s now fairly obvious he couldn’t and perhaps more importantly wouldn’t. Loan at Bolton where he should have been busting a gut to either get a move or prove to Jones he’s good enough has been by the comments of Bolton fans a disaster. I think he’s burnt all bridges at The Valley and we’ll never see him in first team contention again. As for Tanto. I just don’t think he’s got Championship quality. Questions over scouting on both.carly burn said:
I think the other way round for some reason.CafcSteve said:
Apter definitely won’t after how bad his loan spell at Bolton has gone.carly burn said:Do we think Apter and Oloafe have a future at the club?
Tanto has more chance but suspect that he might go out on loan again.
I feel there was a clash of playing styles with Apter and Jones. If he comes back and offers to completely buy into becoming the playerJones wanted him to be when he signed him and not the player Apter wants to be, then I can see him staying.
I think Tanto may be moved on.0 -
I agree for the most part, but I think it's worth it to think about what success would look like this year.MuttleyCAFC said:Jones said after the game that we will do better next year. I think with Jones, you just need to trust him and let him get on with it. So I'm not going to say what he needs to do and where we will finish, I just intend to enjoy the ride. Let us make no mistake, keeping us up with our budget after getting promotion through the play offs is a massive achievement. Some might say, as there are always some that do, that we were lucky there were points deductions although I think both Leicester and Wednesday will have finished below us without them.
For one I just think it's interesting, but also I have an eye on the Jones out thread. A big part of the disagreement there is about expectations. Last year a lot of people (pretty much everyone I think) thought 21st or higher would be success, but even so a lot of people were Jones out, even though we never sunk below 21st.
So it's worth it to think now, without the emotion of mid season. And another way of thinking about it is, what does failure look like?0 -
First and foremost decide how much there is to spend and then decide whether we stick with Jones or Bring in another manager7
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I think people would settle for the way we played against Hull and half the game against Ipswich .aki2798 said:
I understand what people are trying to say with 'Expansive' and 'Entertaining' football. What people actually want is more goals, and the creation of higher quality chances at a greater frequency. Now the question is, do we have to be 'Entertaining' in order to do that? We struggle to break blocks down, so getting the quality in to do that is key for a start.jimmymelrose said:
Just what is this 'expansive football.'SouthLincsAddick said:Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.
I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position.I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans demanding pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could.
Is it too much to ask for a team that
passes the ball forwards on the ground, creating openings and taking a shot on goal.
That's all many fans are asking for, not to bang it in the air like a hot potato that needs cooling down and to land aimlessly and fruitlessly on some tall bugger's head.
Is that really too much to ask?
You can play real football AND stop the opposition playing their game you know?2 -
If I was a board member I'd arrange a meeting, keep everyone waiting 20 minutes and then do the power walk in clutching a laptop under my arm.
Having taken position at the head of the table, I'd open the laptop, make a few clicks and spin it around.
"OK gentlemen, I've just transferred 10 million into the Charlton Athletic war chest and I expect each and every one of you to do the same".
Pause for effect, close laptop and walk to the door, there I'd spin around and say,
"Number One ... in South London."
... and leave.3 -
Most of those 30 years we've been in a different division to them, all the Premier league years to start with.aliwibble said:
We've not beaten them once in thirty years, and you're aiming for twice in a season? Bit unrealistic, no?DOUCHER said:Targets:
mid table finish
beat millwall x 2
increase revenue / commercial income / sponsorship - whatever it is that allows us to spend more on players
play better football
get elite academy status
have a decent cup run or 2
Realistically, finish higher than we have this year and play some better football will do.
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Henry Irving said:
3. Convert the casino into a museum. Shocking that a club with our history doesn't have a museum.
We do have a museum, its in the far corner of the north stand on the middle level. Entrance is near the East Stand turnstiles.3 -
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Just what is 'real' football and can we play it on the budget we have, our players can pass the ball around but not as consistently as the players we're facing who are paid twice as much? We also can't afford the decent strikers who are going to get the goals. It means employing a defensive, disruptive style of play for survival. Go toe to toe with better opposition will more than often mean defeat.jimmymelrose said:
Just what is this 'expansive football.'SouthLincsAddick said:Carter has already stated that their aim is to have a mid table budget in 3 years time so I would expect just a modest increase on this seasons bottom three budget.
I’m expecting no pivot to expansive, attacking football, I think there will be more of the same, if we want to survive. I also think it’s going to be hard to expect NJ to overachieve on our budget two years in a row, so I’m expecting us to stay where we are, not in a relegation fight but around the same finishing position.I worry that a lot of the fan base will become frustrated with NJ because they will perceive a lack of progress, when actually he is working miracles with the finances we will have. Blaming what will turn out to be our best manager for a decade when their frustration emanates from the funding of the club. Yet the owners are still losing a huge amount of money each year and want to keep those losses manageable, and avoid points deductions.I personally don’t get this obsession with playing expansive football, did we turn into Spurs all of a sudden? Does anyone remember the Curbs PL years and his mantra of ‘stop the opposition playing their game’. Perhaps the same fans demanding pretty football now are the same that said Curbs had taken us a far as he could.
Is it too much to ask for a team that
passes the ball forwards on the ground, creating openings and taking a shot on goal.
That's all many fans are asking for, not to bang it in the air like a hot potato that needs cooling down and to land aimlessly and fruitlessly on some tall bugger's head.
Is that really too much to ask?
You can play real football AND stop the opposition playing their game you know?
NJ has been in charge of nearly 500 professional games, coached under 21s, won multiple promotions and has been our most successful manager for years. I would credit him that he knows what he's doing and is only pursuing the current style of play to get success, not because it's his preference. Yet, many fans are not happy, they want the impossible, they want 'real', 'attractive' football, promotions and stability and all on the 3rd worst budget in the league, if there were any professional coaching staff reading this forum, they'd have a chuckle and shake their heads.3 -
Don't really care about style until we've got a squad that can play in that way, until then some of you will have to suck it up5
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Style of play is also totally preference based. Some people will have loved the style of play Garner played but I found it too slow. Klopp's football is what I've enjoyed watching the most but it wasn't free flowing, it was aggressive pressing and some relatively direct passes. It feels more palatable because it was TAA playing beautiful passes rather than Gillesphey doing diagonal punts. High pressing aggressive football is what I like and it's clearly where NJ wants to take us1
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Sorry in this fantasy are you/the board member Vladimir Putin? 🤣Raith_C_Chattonell said:If I was a board member I'd arrange a meeting, keep everyone waiting 20 minutes and then do the power walk in clutching a laptop under my arm.
Having taken position at the head of the table, I'd open the laptop, make a few clicks and spin it around.
"OK gentlemen, I've just transferred 10 million into the Charlton Athletic war chest and I expect each and every one of you to do the same".
Pause for effect, close laptop and walk to the door, there I'd spin around and say,
"Number One ... in South London."
... and leave.0 -
Thats a difficult comparison as both Garner and Jackson had hands tied behind their backs.fenaddick said:Style of play is also totally preference based. Some people will have loved the style of play Garner played but I found it too slow. Klopp's football is what I've enjoyed watching the most but it wasn't free flowing, it was aggressive pressing and some relatively direct passes. It feels more palatable because it was TAA playing beautiful passes rather than Gillesphey doing diagonal punts. High pressing aggressive football is what I like and it's clearly where NJ wants to take us
Garner wqs brought in to play a certain style and promised funds to sign what he needed, funds never materialised and he was left trying to play a system he had been hired to play without any of the tools. Then Jacko came in and had to be pragmatic to make a competent football team and was accused of borong football0 -
The club should being doing more to publicise it then, I've never seen it mentioned on here.CombeMartin said:Henry Irving said:
3. Convert the casino into a museum. Shocking that a club with our history doesn't have a museum.
We do have a museum, its in the far corner of the north stand on the middle level. Entrance is near the East Stand turnstiles.0 -
To be fair to NJ, he has competed in this league with hands tied behind his back. 3rd worst player budget in this league means we should have gone down.Radostanradical said:
Thats a difficult comparison as both Garner and Jackson had hands tied behind their backs.fenaddick said:Style of play is also totally preference based. Some people will have loved the style of play Garner played but I found it too slow. Klopp's football is what I've enjoyed watching the most but it wasn't free flowing, it was aggressive pressing and some relatively direct passes. It feels more palatable because it was TAA playing beautiful passes rather than Gillesphey doing diagonal punts. High pressing aggressive football is what I like and it's clearly where NJ wants to take us
Garner wqs brought in to play a certain style and promised funds to sign what he needed, funds never materialised and he was left trying to play a system he had been hired to play without any of the tools. Then Jacko came in and had to be pragmatic to make a competent football team and was accused of borong football1 -
It's a target - i'd like to think that next year we don't put out the worst line up we've had all season for the one away game where it matters most - they wouldn't do that but how many times do we? - we'll turn up for swansea and wrexham if jones gets a team to turn up for millwall. Anyway, that's a side show, i'll go with my last line.aliwibble said:
We've not beaten them once in thirty years, and you're aiming for twice in a season? Bit unrealistic, no? I'd settle for just not losing to them, to be honest, and finishing 13-18. "Play better football" is a nice to have, but less important than "win enough games to be safe by mid-April" and is reliant on us having players able to play that way. I'm still somewhat scarred by the attempts to play it out from the back under Ben Garner.DOUCHER said:Targets:
mid table finish
beat millwall x 2
increase revenue / commercial income / sponsorship - whatever it is that allows us to spend more on players
play better football
get elite academy status
have a decent cup run or 2
Realistically, finish higher than we have this year and play some better football will do.0 -
Revised target list.
1.Head tennis with opposition banned. Fine of 1 weeks wages for anyone participating.
2.Mandatory forward passes (on the the grass) to feet in the penalty area. Initially one a month rising to 1 a game by end of season.
3. Use of "give and go"/wall pass/1-2 mandatory in final third on 29th Feb every season. Otherwise once every blue moon rising , clouds permitting.0 -
Style of play is important. Conceding large amounts of possession in every game is nearly always going to mean you’re chasing. It’s simple but you can’t score a goal without having the ball and the obvious contrast is that when the opposition has the ball there is always a chance of them scoring. I’d like to see us dominating teams particularly at The Valley instead of setting up to stymie them and nick something. It puts enormous pressure on the attackers who by definition get less chances and then need to convert when they do. I fully understand that this season Jones saw this tactic as the best way of achieving survival and fair play he did. No complaints. This is about next season when I’m expecting not to see statistics of possession in the 30% 40% every game. We have to change. I’ve no doubt that Jones knows this and it will be reflected in our transfer dealings.0
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Firstly, why do we have to change, it worked didn't it? Secondly, Carter has already said our budget won't be mid table for another 3 years (currently bottom three), the budget increase will be minimal next season. So why would we abandon a tactic that worked when we will still have one the worst budgets in the league? I'm sure there will be a gradual improvement but I don't understand this 'we have to change' attitude, we didn't get relegated, despite having the huge disadvantage in budget, what wrong are we trying to write?ShootersHillGuru said:Style of play is important. Conceding large amounts of possession in every game is nearly always going to mean you’re chasing. It’s simple but you can’t score a goal without having the ball and the obvious contrast is that when the opposition has the ball there is always a chance of them scoring. I’d like to see us dominating teams particularly at The Valley instead of setting up to stymie them and nick something. It puts enormous pressure on the attackers who by definition get less chances and then need to convert when they do. I fully understand that this season Jones saw this tactic as the best way of achieving survival and fair play he did. No complaints. This is about next season when I’m expecting not to see statistics of possession in the 30% 40% every game. We have to change. I’ve no doubt that Jones knows this and it will be reflected in our transfer dealings.1
