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+++ Harry Clarke Signs on Loan from Ipswich Town +++
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Probably the only player who hasn't bothered to put a post or story on their social media after helping the club he is at securing Championship status.
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Par for the course on here. Bree was superb for us, dipped in form when he was playing through injury and people were screaming for Apter to come in for him. Now Bree is looking at Premier League promotion after an FA Cup semi-final and Apter can't get into L1 Bolton's team. Clarke was everyone's favourite player at the start, had two or three poor games and now he's not good enough and shouldn't be signed. Fevrier on the other hand has had 2 pretty good showings and now his thread is full of people calling for him to be signed up. The fickle nature of football fans and the refusal to accept any idea of form is absolutely crazy. Players will go through peaks and dips but fans are only really willing to accept one of those as acceptable when they're both inevitable.Off_it said:
Agree with all of that.PaddyP17 said:Sign him if we can. No doubt in my mind.
Yes, he's making mistakes, but you can attribute that to a combination of lack of sustained match fitness having been out for a while (so he'd tire a bit quicker in an extended run of games, particularly with his all-or-nothing play style); recent niggles that were picked up; and the fact that as a whole, we lack a bit of quality.
Clarke would be great if he was the baseline of player we were putting out next season, rather than someone who - looking at the current squad - HAS to start and whose energy is crucial to how we play.
If we can build with players like him - and if he gets a full, trouble-free pre-season - then that would no doubt represent good business and a hopefully upward trajectory.
It's a bit concerning that some people's expectations seem to be that anything less than prime-era Cafu would be a failure. But I guess that's just the way things are.11 -
When you’re being asked to pay in a wing-back position (with a 3 behind you) you’re often asked to get forward and be more offensive than your defensive ability. Granted, he needs to work on his shooting, but thought he really caused/causes problems for defenders more than anyone we’ve had on the left. His major weakness defensively is pacy wingers who look to cut in or take on a man to which he looks lost, but for me he’s done a very good job in most games.0
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I think its a no brainer that we sign him if we can.I like his enthusiasm, work rate and attitude. But he brings proven ability and experience at this level .Those thinking that we could do better are frankly deluded.I'd also take Bree if he became available but I know its unlikely.2
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Was poor on Saturday, but overall has been a good signing2
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If he does sign, I just hope the guy behind me finally realises his name isn't Barry.15
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Many fans appear to have the memory of a goldfish.Oh Eddie Youds... said:You’re only as good as your last game in some people’s minds.
Fevrier is the new Ronaldo at the moment as although he started as nothing special, he finished on a high.
The likes of Clarke & Dykes did the opposite. They were the best thing since sliced bread a month ago but they’re now deemed no longer good enough because they didn’t maintain that form into our last couple of games.3 -
Posted the above after last week's game.Fortune 82nd Minute said:After a few games, I thought yup this is the guy to fill our right wing back slot and we really need to sign him.
Now I'm far from certain about signing him.
Can't put my finger on it but there's something about his play that I don't like. Maybe it's the fact he so often gets caught out of position. Or maybe, as the poster above said, he just thinks he's better than he is.
I know it won't be possible to resign Bree but I'd much rather have him than Clarke.
Now made my decision. A definite no from me.
Very poor again today.
Will miss his long throw but not too much else.
Surely we can't get someone better for the wages I assume he is on.1 -
I get why some would bring back Clarke or Bree back (not seen anyone say the same for Chambers) as we know they can do a solid job, but I’d like us to sign actual wing backs if we can.To me all three are more full backs than wing backs - we need more pace, creativity and technical ability across the team, including at wing back.
Not saying it’s easy or that they have to get score/assist double figures, but there will be more suited players out there, and that might mean looking abroad and at PL loans.7 -
not for me4
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Think it will completely depend on the fee and wages whether this deal happens. Goes for free it’s a bargain if it’s a mil you would be hesitant3
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Don't mind if we sign him. He is a championship player and with a full pre season with us we might see the player he was at the start of his loan1
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He’s more than good enough to be one of two options at RWB/RB for a side chasing at the top end of this league - he’s been there and done it before. Just need a solid alternative to bring in for any stretches of bad form. It’s a squad game at this level.
Would not be at all upset if Southampton went up and we saw him and Bree competing for it.11 -
Throws in alone are probably worth a fair bit if he actually cuts out the silly mistakes there’s nothing wrong w it0
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2 LOLs on this is crazy - are we signing prime Cafu this summer?Callumcafc said:He’s more than good enough to be one of two options at RWB/RB for a side chasing at the top end of this league - he’s been there and done it before. Just need a solid alternative to bring in for any stretches of bad form. It’s a squad game at this level.
Would not be at all upset if Southampton went up and we saw him and Bree competing for it.0 -
Love this thread, reads like the Bree one.Comes in, new Messiah for the RWB role, amazing where did we doscover this genius.
Gets injured and plays injured and during recovery.
Total dogshit, wouldn't touch him with Trump's dick.
Probably plays somewhere else next season in the championship and does well...'Oh I always said we should have bought him, our recruitment team and NJ are rubbish'8 -
Mmmmh. Thinking he's better than he is, again.0
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_uptheaddicks said:Mmmmh. Thinking he's better than he is, again.
Personally I love his passion and 100% effort every game.4 -
I think he is a great player but he has been dogshit the last 3/4 games. Wouldn't be surprised if he was another one of the players Jones has said has been playing through injury as he was absolutely superb before that4
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Poor form doesn't make him a poor player. As Callum says, we don't have anyone who can come in when he's having a bad run. He's not even got any real competition.He's clearly got the raw attributes to be a good player at this level.1
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Why prime Cafu? We don’t necessarily need a much better player, but it would be good to have wing backs who chip in with more goals and assists and make us less predictable going forward.Callumcafc said:
2 LOLs on this is crazy - are we signing prime Cafu this summer?Callumcafc said:He’s more than good enough to be one of two options at RWB/RB for a side chasing at the top end of this league - he’s been there and done it before. Just need a solid alternative to bring in for any stretches of bad form. It’s a squad game at this level.
Would not be at all upset if Southampton went up and we saw him and Bree competing for it.
Thierry Small did that without being Cafu and Roberto Carlos rolled into one.2 -
In all honesty I wouldn't sign any of the loan boys.
I just think we need to get our primary targets over the line first and then back fill from there. I don't see any of them being primary targets
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We would be relegated if not for his long throw ins. Wouldn’t want to pay too much for him and would want to bring in competition for starting but could do worse0
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To be fair, not everybody follows all the club's socials closely and would know he and others have been playing through injury to explain the drop in form which people would then naturally question if they're good enough without knowing the full picture. Personally I would sign both him and Bree if we can.Alwaysneil said:Love this thread, reads like the Bree one.Comes in, new Messiah for the RWB role, amazing where did we doscover this genius.
Gets injured and plays injured and during recovery.
Total dogshit, wouldn't touch him with Trump's dick.
Probably plays somewhere else next season in the championship and does well...'Oh I always said we should have bought him, our recruitment team and NJ are rubbish'0 -
To me this is similar to people saying they'd like Gilbert on a permanent transfer last summer. He's come in, done okay, but there's a hell of a lot of footballers we can look at to sign, aside from ones we've seen on loan.4
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Clarke and Bree both offer assists and goals. It’s not like they contributed nothing while here. We’ve seen the player they both can be.Scoham said:
Why prime Cafu? We don’t necessarily need a much better player, but it would be good to have wing backs who chip in with more goals and assists and make us less predictable going forward.Callumcafc said:
2 LOLs on this is crazy - are we signing prime Cafu this summer?Callumcafc said:He’s more than good enough to be one of two options at RWB/RB for a side chasing at the top end of this league - he’s been there and done it before. Just need a solid alternative to bring in for any stretches of bad form. It’s a squad game at this level.
Would not be at all upset if Southampton went up and we saw him and Bree competing for it.
Thierry Small did that without being Cafu and Roberto Carlos rolled into one.
Both of them will play solid Championship football next season (Bree might even be in the Prem) so I don’t think we should dismiss either of them so easily.5 -
Love his mistakes as well and misplaced passes and final ball/shots he's alright but f me people go on like he's the best thing since sliced bread when someone went had before him had a better output and actually plays in a team further up the table and still does, we could sign him for our mid table push but I reckon there's better rwb's out there.Athletico Charlton said:_uptheaddicks said:Mmmmh. Thinking he's better than he is, again.
Personally I love his passion and 100% effort every game.1 -
Has he been playing through injury? I haven't seen that but may have missed itAlwaysneil said:Love this thread, reads like the Bree one.Comes in, new Messiah for the RWB role, amazing where did we doscover this genius.
Gets injured and plays injured and during recovery.
Total dogshit, wouldn't touch him with Trump's dick.
Probably plays somewhere else next season in the championship and does well...'Oh I always said we should have bought him, our recruitment team and NJ are rubbish'
Also not convinced Clarke offers assists and goals. He's had two assists in 19 apps this season, I assume both for us. I remember the one to Carey for the accidental on purpose flick over the defender and bang home, can't remember the other. I also can't remember many or any chances he's created, times he's taken on a fullback and put a good cross in or even put a good cross in from a deeper position.Callumcafc said:
Clarke and Bree both offer assists and goals. It’s not like they contributed nothing while here. We’ve seen the player they both can be.Scoham said:
Why prime Cafu? We don’t necessarily need a much better player, but it would be good to have wing backs who chip in with more goals and assists and make us less predictable going forward.Callumcafc said:
2 LOLs on this is crazy - are we signing prime Cafu this summer?Callumcafc said:He’s more than good enough to be one of two options at RWB/RB for a side chasing at the top end of this league - he’s been there and done it before. Just need a solid alternative to bring in for any stretches of bad form. It’s a squad game at this level.
Would not be at all upset if Southampton went up and we saw him and Bree competing for it.
Thierry Small did that without being Cafu and Roberto Carlos rolled into one.
Both of them will play solid Championship football next season (Bree might even be in the Prem) so I don’t think we should dismiss either of them so easily.
He's had no goals, from 1.5 xG and while you'd say he's unlucky to have had a perfectly good one chalked off (Leicester away I think) and to have hit the bar, he has generally been so bad in front of goal that it feels like he could have an xG of 15 and not find the net. When his goal was disallowed he also said something like there goes my one goal a year, so he obviously knows he doesn't score much or at all.
For how we set up, we need attacking production from the WBs, and the RWB especially. I don't think he has it, and couple that with his propensity to get us into trouble with loose passes or getting caught in possession, and sometimes bad positioning, and I'm not convinced he's a great option.
I do really like his attitude and athleticism, and aside from getting caught out as above he is generally solid defensively. I think he's a decent squad option, I certainly wouldn't look to offload him if he was under contract, but I'm not sure we should be desperate to get him back at what I doubt would be a cheap price2 -
Well, they were right. Gilbert has played regularly for the team finishing fifth and in the play-offs.LittleAddick said:To me this is similar to people saying they'd like Gilbert on a permanent transfer last summer.
We signed instead Rankin-Costello, a similar style of player but far inferior.0 -
Regularly is a bit strong. 21 apps, 9 starts, 866 mins. That's not to say he wouldn't have been a better option than JRC (who has anyway not played much for us)wolfgang said:
Well, they were right. Gilbert has played regularly for the team finishing fifth and in the play-offs.LittleAddick said:To me this is similar to people saying they'd like Gilbert on a permanent transfer last summer.
We signed instead Rankin-Costello, a similar style of player but far inferior.3
