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EFL Playoffs 25/26 (Saints booted out of final and given 4 point deduction - pg34)

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,914
    SDAddick said:
    Watching this match reminds me of the gulf in quality between League One and the Championship, and really highlights how well we did to stay up this season as the team that went up via the Playoffs. More to come from us hopefully, but the gulf in quality between the 3-6 in the two leagues is pretty massive. I'm so glad we're in the Championship, I hope we keep it that way for some time to come.
    I think this year's L1 playoff selection is pretty weak. Stockport have finished 3rd two seasons running, but got 10 points more last season.

    Luton and Plymouth both had relegation hangovers which left them just too much of a gap to close, but to me both teams are stronger than the 4 teams in the playoffs.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,656
    Tanto coming on at half time 
  • AberystwythAddick
    AberystwythAddick Posts: 1,560
    Forget the play offs. This should be the sub par Charlton striker shield 
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,853
    killerandflash said:
    SDAddick said:
    Watching this match reminds me of the gulf in quality between League One and the Championship, and really highlights how well we did to stay up this season as the team that went up via the Playoffs. More to come from us hopefully, but the gulf in quality between the 3-6 in the two leagues is pretty massive. I'm so glad we're in the Championship, I hope we keep it that way for some time to come.
    I think this year's L1 playoff selection is pretty weak. Stockport have finished 3rd two seasons running, but got 10 points more last season.

    Luton and Plymouth both had relegation hangovers which left them just too much of a gap to close, but to me both teams are stronger than the 4 teams in the playoffs.
    Thanks for that, I've not kept that close of an eye on League One. Stevenage definitely don't look up to much. I think the Orient of last season would smash them. 
  • PeaksAndValleys
    PeaksAndValleys Posts: 210
    SDAddick said:
    Who was it that kept Edun out of the side for us? Sess and someone else? He's looked good at Peterbrough and now Stockport whenever I've seen him since he left us, but felt like he barely got a chance when playing for us. Scores the odd goal from LB as well.
    Was coming on here to say the same thing. Haven't watched much of him since he left us but he's an absolute regular in a top league 1 side and always seems to get very good ratings on fotmob. Been making me wonder if there was an error letting him go, especially given our issues in that spot.

    But as you say he didn't do much when he was with us. Also maybe better in a back four? 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,254
    Straightforward 3-0 aggregate win for Stockport.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,263
    Too many businesses just pay travel expenses for interns which is a fucking piss take. Especially difficult for grads coming out of uni who can’t get a job and feel like they have to take it for experience.

    We get approached for internships all the time and I will only take someone on if I can afford to pay them a proper salary 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,448
    fenaddick said:
    valleynick66 said:
    fenaddick said:
    One thing I hope doesn’t happen is the intern being vilified. Southampton (and lots of football clubs!) pay their interns poorly and the lad was clearly working under instructions trying to get his foot in the door of a very competitive industry. I’m sure lots of us would or did bend rules here and there to attempt to get somewhere in the world 
    How poorly paid are we talking?

    Is this an assumption or is the intern salary known?
    Reportedly £6k a year, get away with it by calling it a work placement 

    https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Southampton-Football-Club-Work-Placement-Student-Salaries-E1380771_D_KO26,48.htm
    (Link doesn’t work for me)


    So I don’t know how to put the £6k into context.

    I associate an intern with a short term (weeks/months only) assignment. So not clear in this instance for how long they are working. 

    Regardless I take your general point but would think (hope) it wouldn’t reflect badly on the individual as their CV will simply show a temporary assignment at a known place in a role. If anyone needed to put 2 & 2 together on a future job interview (elsewhere) it might just provide a useful talking point. 


  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 11,382
    DamoNorthStand said:
    Too many businesses just pay travel expenses for interns which is a fucking piss take. Especially difficult for grads coming out of uni who can’t get a job and feel like they have to take it for experience.

    We get approached for internships all the time and I will only take someone on if I can afford to pay them a proper salary 
    To be fair, 45p a mile from Southampton to Middlesbrough and back is a fair old wedge
  • WHAddick
    WHAddick Posts: 1,309
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  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,913
    I will be quite surprised if Southampton don't get kicked out.  It is now a very specific rule they have broken.  If that does happen, then they blow the chance of a £200M pay day and pile the pressure onto themselves for next season, as fail to go up then and they just become one of many Championship clubs without parachute payments finding it tough to compete.
    What an unbelievably poor decision by whomever it was to send the intern up there; the risk v reward just isn't there.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,602
    DamoNorthStand said:
    I cant see how they cant be punished for this and thrown out the play offs..... but how do you remedy it? Do you just put boro through to the final, do you promote Wrexham into the play offs?

    Point being i dont see how this can be sorted out fairly.....
    What’s it got to do with Wrexham? Southampton spied on Middlesbrough during the play offs. 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,602
    fenaddick said:
    One thing I hope doesn’t happen is the intern being vilified. Southampton (and lots of football clubs!) pay their interns poorly and the lad was clearly working under instructions trying to get his foot in the door of a very competitive industry. I’m sure lots of us would or did bend rules here and there to attempt to get somewhere in the world 
    He knowingly cheated. It’s more than “bend rules”. 

    I’m not saying the intern needs to take 100% of blame, but he would have known what he was doing. He has made it very difficult for himself now to move forward in his football analyst career. 
  • Southendaddick
    Southendaddick Posts: 5,459
    So a guaranteed long journey next season from the 3 northern teams left coming up 

    Although 2 hours on a train to Stockport is preferable to the other two and the roofs covered now…

    Arent the play offs great when your not in them and you’ve just seen the spanners blow their best chance ever 🕺 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,263
    stoneroses19 said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    I cant see how they cant be punished for this and thrown out the play offs..... but how do you remedy it? Do you just put boro through to the final, do you promote Wrexham into the play offs?

    Point being i dont see how this can be sorted out fairly.....
    What’s it got to do with Wrexham? Southampton spied on Middlesbrough during the play offs. 
    Apparently they have spied on other teams this year…. If that can be proven then should they even be in the play offs at all?

    Won’t happen of course- but I’m definitely thinking they shouldn’t be going to Wembley  
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 21,696
    DamoNorthStand said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    I cant see how they cant be punished for this and thrown out the play offs..... but how do you remedy it? Do you just put boro through to the final, do you promote Wrexham into the play offs?

    Point being i dont see how this can be sorted out fairly.....
    What’s it got to do with Wrexham? Southampton spied on Middlesbrough during the play offs. 
    Apparently they have spied on other teams this year…. If that can be proven then should they even be in the play offs at all?

    Won’t happen of course- but I’m definitely thinking they shouldn’t be going to Wembley  

    I'm not aware that the rule change after the Leeds case included details of the the sanctions that could apply if found guilty. If not then the EFL will fall short of kicking them out. Assuming not then Southampton go to Wembley and Boro have no claim based on accusing the EFL of not applying the mandated sanction. If Southampton are kicked out then they will make a claim based on excessive punishment that was not mandated - and possibly claim £200m in lost revenue as a result.

    The EFL will bottle it and all we can hope is justice is done by Hull winning.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,788
    Can't see this being anything more than a fine. Bob is absolutely right that the EFL will bottle it. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,281
    SDAddick said:
    Watching this match reminds me of the gulf in quality between League One and the Championship, and really highlights how well we did to stay up this season as the team that went up via the Playoffs. More to come from us hopefully, but the gulf in quality between the 3-6 in the two leagues is pretty massive. I'm so glad we're in the Championship, I hope we keep it that way for some time to come.
    To be fair any neutral who watched our two play off semi-finals with Wycombe would've automatically had us nailed on for relegation.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,281
    bobmunro said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    I cant see how they cant be punished for this and thrown out the play offs..... but how do you remedy it? Do you just put boro through to the final, do you promote Wrexham into the play offs?

    Point being i dont see how this can be sorted out fairly.....
    What’s it got to do with Wrexham? Southampton spied on Middlesbrough during the play offs. 
    Apparently they have spied on other teams this year…. If that can be proven then should they even be in the play offs at all?

    Won’t happen of course- but I’m definitely thinking they shouldn’t be going to Wembley  

    I'm not aware that the rule change after the Leeds case included details of the the sanctions that could apply if found guilty. If not then the EFL will fall short of kicking them out. Assuming not then Southampton go to Wembley and Boro have no claim based on accusing the EFL of not applying the mandated sanction. If Southampton are kicked out then they will make a claim based on excessive punishment that was not mandated - and possibly claim £200m in lost revenue as a result.

    The EFL will bottle it and all we can hope is justice is done by Hull winning.
    It's not a rule change as technically there was no specific rule when Leeds were caught. They introduced a new rule after that.

    "EFL Rule 127 (specifically prohibiting observing opponents' training within 72 hours of a match) was introduced in June 2019 following the "Spygate" scandal. The rule was created after Marcelo Bielsa's Leeds United were fined £200,000 in early 2019 for watching Derby County train."

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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,651
    Wouldn’t mind Stockport coming up, I need the tick. Bradford are my local club though so hope they can do it. 
  • DyerConsequences
    DyerConsequences Posts: 3,052
    From a football perspective with Stevenage out, Bradford getting promoted is now the best case scenario.

    Team coming off the back of 2 straight promotions into the Championship with still a lot of players that were in their League 2 squad. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,384
    SDAddick said:
    Who was it that kept Edun out of the side for us? Sess and someone else? He's looked good at Peterbrough and now Stockport whenever I've seen him since he left us, but felt like he barely got a chance when playing for us. Scores the odd goal from LB as well.
    To be fair he was mostly kept out of the side when he was by his own poor performances. He was signed to be first choice in 23/24 and this is Charlton so there wasn't any real backup for him. He came to us injured and took a bit of time to get up to speed as well as Holden not being sure if he wanted to play him as a left back or a central midfielder with CBT as wingback. He was then pretty rubbish under Appleton, though our best run of form under him came while Edun was out injured and Thomas or Watson played at LB. We actually only won 2 games where Edun started. He then was kept out of the side after that by Thierry Small, which I think we can all agree was the right choice. He made 26 league appearances that season, 21 starts. He was subbed off at half time twice under two different managers. The next season it was Edwards and Small ahead of him. He wasn't really quick enough to play LWB in the way Jones wanted, wasn't aggressive enough and I think he was scarred by the start he had with us. I think he's a decent L1 player, especially at a club where maybe the expectations aren't quite as high.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,763
    stoneroses19 said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    I cant see how they cant be punished for this and thrown out the play offs..... but how do you remedy it? Do you just put boro through to the final, do you promote Wrexham into the play offs?

    Point being i dont see how this can be sorted out fairly.....
    What’s it got to do with Wrexham? Southampton spied on Middlesbrough during the play offs. 
    It depends on how far back the wrong doing goes?

    Did it happen during the season, if so, it could (I'm not saying it should) complicate things further. Should they even be in the play offs? Probably too complicated to look at any alternative scenario as both legs of both semis have been played
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,295
    Southampton broke a written rule in order to get an advantage. In my view Boro and Hull should contest the final, and Southampton should be docked 12 points next season.
    The idea of a financial penalty does not suit.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 8,256
    I'm amazed people are getting in a lather about this.

    With the proximity of the final and tickets on sale now, it's obvious it will just be a substantial fine. Not saying that's right, but that is what will happen. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 18,656
    The Mirror are reporting the hearing will be tomorrow 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,448
    Let’s just hope we haven’t been ‘spying’ on any teams. 

    Seems a ridiculous rule to me.  
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,763
    valleynick66 said:
    Let’s just hope we haven’t been ‘spying’ on any teams. 

    Seems a ridiculous rule to me.  
    How bad would we be if we hadn't?!  
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,192
    PrincessFiona said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Let’s just hope we haven’t been ‘spying’ on any teams. 

    Seems a ridiculous rule to me.  
    How bad would we be if we hadn't?!  
    Must have employed a double agent for the game at the rusty toolbox.

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