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Charlton women news - PROMOTED TO THE WSL ON PENALTIES! (p194)
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I did wonder whether it actually was a real list of the team. Her antics were so funny and the ref really didn't know what to do when she carried on after the yellow card.DA9 said:
Would've been funny if it was just shithousery of the highest order, simply to sych out the opposition, and in actual fact it was just a list of the team, tea / coffee, milk no sugars etc!!0 -
As a post on the Leicester Women Reddit group said, great saves, but the only one that was not telegraphed where it was going and pea rolled along the floor was scored.
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I live in West Cork & I have one 😊Callumcafc said:By the way, £65 is amazing value for a full season of elite sport. 14 teams in the league means 13 home games, only a fiver per match.
I would be taking advantage of that if I lived near enough to get down there every week.0 -
The percentage of missed penalties in the women's game, especially in shootouts, has gone up massively in recent years. All the articles about it focus on improved goalkeepers and increased pressure, all of which I think are a big part of it, but I haven't seen any analysis on the power of the penalties. The available data isn't great but the average speed of the penalties at the Euro 25 shootout between England and Sweden was apparently 43mph, and that was skewed by Lucy Bronze banging one at 63mph, which was one of the only convincing penalties that got hit that night. The average speed of a penalty in men's football is between 70-80mph and in the women's game it's reported as 55-65mph. Chloe Kelly hit the fastest recorded one at 69mph, which is still slightly less than the lower recorded averages in men's shootouts. Ibrahimovic has been recorded hitting penalties at 93mph.All that to say that it means there's a lot more pressure on the women to hit their penalties either exactly in the corner or send the keeper the wrong way. Amalie Thestrup's penalty was superb. I don't know how fast it traveled but it looked by far the best struck and its placement was perfect so even though the keeper went the right way she couldn't get to it. Leicester's one successful penalty was sent into the roof of the net with some power which a 5ft8 keeper is never getting to. Heather Payne put a bit more mustard on hers which is why Whitehouse could only turn it onto the post but it still wasn't enough. Mason hit hers with a bit of venom but the placement wasn't great; it didn't need to be because the Leicester keeper was telegraphing her dive every time and Mason kept her head up and watched where she went. This takes nothing away from Whitehouse, all of her saves were excellent and required that she be a top class goalkeeper, but there was only one penalty that Leicester hit where you thought a keeper wouldn't have had a chance. In men's shootouts there are usually plenty of penalties where a top class keeper guesses the right way but just gets done by the power of the strike. We're now working with a generation of goalkeepers who are great with their reflexes and shot stopping going up against a generation of outfield players who are adapting to increased scrutiny and increased physical demands stepping up to take penalties after 120 minutes of toil and seeing that this is an area where the keepers now have such a huge advantage over the takers.Like with many things in the women's game it's an area where I think just copying the men's game directly isn't going to work. The keepers are doing the same thing as the men; the preparation, the notes on the water bottles, the psychological tricks like meeting the taker halfway to the spot and handing them the ball, delaying the penalty being taken etc and that will work for them but more thought needs to be put into compensating for the fact that elite keepers are going to keep your penalty out if you can't put it in the top corner or send them the wrong way. Smashing a penalty to the extent of your power and aiming for a postage stamp spot is a great way to send your spotkick wide so I think there will end up being a lot more focus on teaching players those Ivan Toney type penalties where the player doesn't hit the ball until the keeper moves. Until those sort of changes start coming in though I think we're going to continue to see low scoring shootouts at the top end of the game in pressure matches5
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Yes, the only one that was not a pea roller scored.sam3110 said:
What? The only penalty they scored was put right into the top corner....MrOneLung said:As a post on the Leicester Women Reddit group said, great saves, but the only one that was not telegraphed where it was going and pea rolled along the floor was scored.The Leicester sub on Reddit has been quite scathing of their performance and complementary to our team.0 -
It's end of the day tomorrow isn't it? I want to do it through the Ticket Office so need to call. Before I buy.Weegie Addick said:You have till Tuesday to purchase ST at current prices:
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/two-days-phase-one-womens-season-ticket-rises0 -
Yes, you've got until 11.59pm tomorrow.Kap10 said:
It's end of the day tomorrow isn't it? I want to do it through the Ticket Office so need to call. Before I buy.Weegie Addick said:You have till Tuesday to purchase ST at current prices:
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/two-days-phase-one-womens-season-ticket-rises1 -
That completely disregards the fantastic work Whitehouse put in, she could have still dived the wrong way or not got down to the ball.MrOneLung said:
Yes, the only one that was not a pea roller scored.sam3110 said:
What? The only penalty they scored was put right into the top corner....MrOneLung said:As a post on the Leicester Women Reddit group said, great saves, but the only one that was not telegraphed where it was going and pea rolled along the floor was scored.The Leicester sub on Reddit has been quite scathing of their performance and complementary to our team.1 -
Just to add to the nerd fest, the odds are further reduced by the fact that in order to save 4 out of 5 penalties, it’s necessary for the opposing team to have scored no more than 2 of their own penalties out of their first 4, otherwise there would be no need for the 5th penalty to be taken.Callumcafc said:
Yup, the total odds of 4/5 change depending on where you peg the odds of an individual pen being saved.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Copy and paste from AI:Callumcafc said:
It’s a bit higher than that.fenaddick said:No idea how true it is but I saw someone say the chance of saving 4/5 pens is 0.02%
Assuming 20% of penalties are saved, then the chance of 4 or more pens being saved out of 5 in a shootout is just a binomial calculation.
5p^4 - 4p^5 (with p = 0.2) = 0.67% not 0.02%.Still very impressive as it is.
The mathematical odds of a goalkeeper saving exactly 4 out of 5 football penalties in a standard shootout are approximately 0.0039 (0.39% or a 1-in-256 chance). This probability is calculated using the binomial distribution formula based on the historical professional penalty save rate of roughly 14.3%. [1, 2]I chose to go with 20% as a nice round number (and women’s football seeming to have fewer scored penalties in general) which came back with 0.67% and AI chose 14.3% which gave you 0.39%.
Assuming the AI numbers earlier quoted are correct, this is 6(0.746^2)(0.254^2) + 4(0.746)(0.254^3) + 0.256^4 which equals 0.26978, which is about a quarter, so you can divide those earlier probabilities by about 4.
(I could also narrow it down further by considering possibilities such as a) that the only penalty the team scores is the last one, which would require the opponents to score no more than one of their first 4, or b) that the team in question goes second, meaning the opponents need to score no more than 2 of their 5, but these don’t affect the numbers very much, and more importantly, I can’t be arsed. 🤓)0 -
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My thoughts on the penalty shoot out on Saturday was that it looked like Sophie knew she didn't have to go early and could wait for first contact of the penalty.1
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Which one? Is she angling to sign for us?MrOneLung said:
Yes, the only one that was not a pea roller scored.sam3110 said:
What? The only penalty they scored was put right into the top corner....MrOneLung said:As a post on the Leicester Women Reddit group said, great saves, but the only one that was not telegraphed where it was going and pea rolled along the floor was scored.The Leicester sub on Reddit has been quite scathing of their performance and complementary to our team.2 -
Very good @Weegie Addick 👏🏼Weegie Addick said:
Which one? Is she angling to sign for us?MrOneLung said:
Yes, the only one that was not a pea roller scored.sam3110 said:
What? The only penalty they scored was put right into the top corner....MrOneLung said:As a post on the Leicester Women Reddit group said, great saves, but the only one that was not telegraphed where it was going and pea rolled along the floor was scored.The Leicester sub on Reddit has been quite scathing of their performance and complementary to our team.0
