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  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,821
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Norrie lost to Tirante in straight sets in last 64 at Italian Open.

    Not a great time for British tennis at present.
    Agreed. But has managed to get back into the top 20
    Will soon be the only British male in the top 100 - Draper likely to exit the top 100 after the French Open.

    Lot of uncertainty surrounding Raducanu and her fitness.
    Wow, I didn't realise Draper had fallen so far

    I wonder if Randucanu has a serious/long term medical condition - whilst she clearly has some mental 'challenges' (frailties), there seems to be some medical ones too, notably with the recent longer term reason for not playing. I wouldn't discount something like Glandular Fever. But is it more serious - makes me think or our our Serge Baltacha's daughter Elena
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,875
    PrincessFiona said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Norrie lost to Tirante in straight sets in last 64 at Italian Open.

    Not a great time for British tennis at present.
    Agreed. But has managed to get back into the top 20
    Will soon be the only British male in the top 100 - Draper likely to exit the top 100 after the French Open.

    Lot of uncertainty surrounding Raducanu and her fitness.
    Wow, I didn't realise Draper had fallen so far

    I wonder if Randucanu has a serious/long term medical condition - whilst she clearly has some mental 'challenges' (frailties), there seems to be some medical ones too, notably with the recent longer term reason for not playing. I wouldn't discount something like Glandular Fever. But is it more serious - makes me think or our our Serge Baltacha's daughter Elena
    Christ, don't say that.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,821
    Covered End said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Norrie lost to Tirante in straight sets in last 64 at Italian Open.

    Not a great time for British tennis at present.
    Agreed. But has managed to get back into the top 20
    Will soon be the only British male in the top 100 - Draper likely to exit the top 100 after the French Open.

    Lot of uncertainty surrounding Raducanu and her fitness.
    Wow, I didn't realise Draper had fallen so far

    I wonder if Randucanu has a serious/long term medical condition - whilst she clearly has some mental 'challenges' (frailties), there seems to be some medical ones too, notably with the recent longer term reason for not playing. I wouldn't discount something like Glandular Fever. But is it more serious - makes me think or our our Serge Baltacha's daughter Elena
    Christ, don't say that.
    Hopefully nothing as serious, but it seems more than a virus as reoccuring, as that would sure'y just be a few weeks. I used to have quite low blood pressure, it's still on the low side for my age, but nothing to worry about. It may just be the mental 'challenges' side of her game but she does keep having her blood pressure taken - hence wondering if there is an underlying issue. Hopefully something that be corrected easily. She should have access to top medical care

  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Raducanu loses to Parry in the opening round at Strasbourg. Norrie plays today at Geneva.

    Jan Choinski is now the British No 3 after winning the Challenger Event at Zagreb last week. Draper remains at No 2 but unclear when he will return to the tour.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Norrie loses his opening match at Geneva.

    Two Brits in the final qualifying round for the French Open - Toby Samuel and Felix Gill.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Six Brits in action at the French Open. Boulter, Jones and Raducanu in the Women's. Samuel, Fearnley and Norrie in the Men's.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 3,117
    Cant get excited about this event,probably no British interest after wednesday/thursday,and with no Alcaraz result is really a forgone conclusion unless Novak can drag one more miracle out of his tired old body.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,073
    What are people's thoughts on this continuing protest by the top 20 players about their money? 

    I find it difficult to support these privilege millionaires but do their demands mean more money being given to grass route and lower ranked players and clubs to help make the sport more accessible or is it just greed by those at the top? 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,675
    I don’t think it is about the top players. It is about more money for the lower prize tiers. 

    They are asking for more of the revenue to be put in prize potsThink it is 22% they are looking for rather than the recently increased 15% 
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,073
    So ultimately it's a good thing though they get something out of it as well presumably 

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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Choinski is now the British No 2. Draper has dropped outside the top 100 in the live rankings.


  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Raducanu loses in the opening round to Sierra in straight sets. Jones beats Haddad Maia in three sets.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 8,050
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Raducanu loses in the opening round to Sierra in straight sets. 
    She should probably sack her coach for this. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,821
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Raducanu loses in the opening round to Sierra in straight sets. Jones beats Haddad Maia in three sets.
    Not unexpected with Raduacanu. Hope fully will do better on grass no she's played 2 matches after her lay off. Time will tell
  • follett
    follett Posts: 1,250
    Saw Jones was a set down and behind in the second yesterday so assumed she’d lost. Pleasantly surprised to see otherwise today 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Boulter wins her opening round in three sets.

    Toby Samuel lost in straight sets to De Minaur.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,052
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Boulter wins her opening round in three sets.

    Toby Samuel lost in straight sets to De Minaur.
    That'll be a happy apartment/hotel room
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    Norrie retires from opening match against Vallejo - lost opening set 7-6 and was 2-0 down in second. Had been struggling with rib injury.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 32,010
    Cash and Glasspool won their first match and are through to the last 32. 
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 8,287
    In other news Bexleyheath Tennis Club Over 60's beat Hartley Country Club 5-3 in North Kent Division A this morning, playing in 35° heat.

    "We are top of the league,  say we are top of the league!"

    Yes, the sun has got to me. A very proud captain. 

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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    edited May 26
    Fearnley lost to Cerundolo in straight sets. No British men got past the first round.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 3,117
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,821
    thickandthin63 said:
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
    Way too harsh
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    edited May 27
    PrincessFiona said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
    Way too harsh
    British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.

    Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.


  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,406
    edited May 27
    PrincessFiona said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
    Way too harsh
    I thought it was a fair comment. 

    In the UK we can produce top sportsmen and women at most sports
    Football 
    Cricket 
    Rugby 
    Athletics 
    Etc .
    But when it comes to Tennis we seem miles behind. 
    Andy Murray was a one off and Radicanu seems a lost cause,  I doubt we will see a British player win a grand slam event again for years. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    blackpool72 said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
    Way too harsh
    I thought it was a fair comment. 

    In the UK we can produce top sportsmen and women at most sports
    Football 
    Cricket 
    Rugby 
    Athletics 
    Etc .
    But when it comes to Tennis we seem miles behind. 
    Andy Murray was a one off and Radicanu seems a lost cause,  I doubt we will see a British player win a grand slam again for years. 
    Murray had incredible determination and will to win and was up against some of the greats in tennis history. Does appear to be a one off.


  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,052
    The answer is a structural one. The pathway from casual player to serious player is unclear. LTA coaching badges have a bad reputation (or did when I was doing them) and access to casual tennis has declined. The unspoken thing is also that money = access much more than football, for example. Most clubs in the country are small, community based ventures and the best players aren't then going to be put onto elite pathways. If you can afford to go to a club that can pay coaches well, has multiple courts or indoor courts then you have a better chance of success.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,821
    edited May 27
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
    Way too harsh
    British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.

    Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.


    Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harsh

    How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability

    Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20

    Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year

    No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    PrincessFiona said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    thickandthin63 said:
    I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
    Way too harsh
    British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.

    Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.


    Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harsh

    How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability

    Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20

    Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year

    No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
    Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem? 

    British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.


  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,965
    fenaddick said:
    The answer is a structural one. The pathway from casual player to serious player is unclear. LTA coaching badges have a bad reputation (or did when I was doing them) and access to casual tennis has declined. The unspoken thing is also that money = access much more than football, for example. Most clubs in the country are small, community based ventures and the best players aren't then going to be put onto elite pathways. If you can afford to go to a club that can pay coaches well, has multiple courts or indoor courts then you have a better chance of success.
    Which European countries have the right structure?

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