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20 years ago today - Iain Dowie New Charlton Athletic Manager

shirty5
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  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,431
    shirty5 said:
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    The beginning of our slow descent into mediocrity.  
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,825
    Oh God, what a reminder der to wake up to! The beginning of the slide. And whilst I appreciate everything the guy on the right did for us, he tucked up enormously 20 years ago and beyond
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,410
    edited May 30
    Dowie was the first of several terrible managerial appointments. 
    All the good work of the previous 15 or so years thrown away. 
  • Watameire
    Watameire Posts: 126
    Our worst manager ever 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 5,372
    And all so Murray could stick two fingers up to Jordan.
    And so the downward spiral started.
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,417
    Watameire said:
    Our worst manager ever 
    IMO he doesn't compare to the damage Pardew did. We never recovered from the financial damage he did, which was far more than Dowie. Also the temporary appointment of Reed did more damage. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,652
    BalladMan said:
    shirty5 said:
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    The beginning of our slow descent into mediocrity.  
    It wasn't slow. And mediocrity was only one of the stops on the way down. 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,139
    edited May 30
    How can we best mark this momentous occasion?
    I've just had a dump.
  • BetterCallSaul
    BetterCallSaul Posts: 387


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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,887
    BalladMan said:
    shirty5 said:
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    The beginning of our slow descent into mediocrity.  
    That’s really unfair. We were worse than mediocre for long periods of the following 20 years.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,121
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    Why would you post this? 

    Why? 

    WHY?!? 
    I had the same response when the news broke... WHY??!!

    oh yeah... cos of simon Jordan.. that's why.. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,686
    Watameire said:
    Our worst manager ever 
    Poor yes, the worst ever ? No, there was worse to come, much worse. He was just the start.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,852
    charltonbob said:
    Watameire said:
    Our worst manager ever 
    Poor yes, the worst ever ? No, there was worse to come, much worse. He was just the start.
    True, Parkinson rocked up later. My most disliked Charlton manager ever.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 4,676
    LargeAddick said:
    charltonbob said:
    Watameire said:
    Our worst manager ever 
    Poor yes, the worst ever ? No, there was worse to come, much worse. He was just the start.
    True, Parkinson rocked up later. My most disliked Charlton manager ever.
    And there's people who think he can take Wrexham to the PL.
    Off topic but tbh I'm trying to not think about the topic :#
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,121
    I'm no fan of Parkinson but I wouldn't rate him as the worst manager. Thought he was just average. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,293
    Let’s be honest : Karel Fraeye must be our worst manager ever. However, Dowie was the worst appointment.  Murray got us into a position of strength then let his eyes get clouded by the red mist, the stupid fool.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,132
    Watameire said:
    Our worst manager ever 
    Karen Fraeye wins by miles.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 7,388
    Fraeye will never be beaten in the list of appalling managers. At least you could argue that some of the other managers had a degree of credibility either before joining Charlton or after.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,852
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    I'm no fan of Parkinson but I wouldn't rate him as the worst manager. Thought he was just average. 
    Didn’t say he was the worst, just my most disliked.

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  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 2,158
    Ducking hell, nightmare bloke. So many poor decisions ,  but at least we are now starting to look up.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,680
    It was always going to be tough to replace Curbs, he was integral in sustaining our success, and in hindsight, made Murray and Varney’s lives fairly straightforward given his class and ability 

    unfortunately after he handed his resignation in, there was no succession plan and Murray thought this gamble would pay off.  It went catastrophically wrong for us, and exposed Dowie for a bit of a clown.

    For what it’s worth, I think curbs leaving caught a lot of people off guard, and I think whoever else we may have gone for outside of Dowie would’ve struggled, but Dowie was one of the greatest clowns to embrace the managerial game.  Literally lived off that one season where he almost kept Palace up 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,514
    The only very, very, very minor thing I can say in defence of Murray is that even now I do kind of struggle to see what the right appointment might have been. Obviously anything, including a broom with a face drawn on it, would have been better than Dowie, but I don't look and see an obvious shining candidate standing out even with the power of hindsight. Billy Davies felt sensible at the time but went on to be an insane person who failed everywhere else, Mick McCarthy was a name I heard mentioned but that was during a period where statistically the best thing a Championship team could do was hire McCarthy to get them promoted and then immediately sack him before he got anywhere near the Premier League. Martin O'Neill was technically around but Villa picked him up 3 months after we hired Dowie and I don't know if he was even available until August and we were never beating Villa to get him. I remember even at the time feeling like there weren't any obvious names that stood out as good candidates to replace Curbs, it wasn't ideal timing in that sense.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,121
    LargeAddick said:
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    I'm no fan of Parkinson but I wouldn't rate him as the worst manager. Thought he was just average. 
    Didn’t say he was the worst, just my most disliked.
    why is that out of interest? 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,398
    If Parker going was the start, this was foot down on the accelerator.
  • Stewart
    Stewart Posts: 2,489
    Look at the state

    of the pitch. 
  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,431
    Chizz said:
    BalladMan said:
    shirty5 said:
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    The beginning of our slow descent into mediocrity.  
    It wasn't slow. And mediocrity was only one of the stops on the way down. 
    It took a few years from this picture to league one. Depends how you define slow. 
  • Rock Spectacle
    Rock Spectacle Posts: 1,514
    The first transfer window under Dowie spoke volumes as to how things would transpired, then indulging Pardew compounded it. Fraeye was no doubt the most unsuitable for any role remotely connected to football but the aforementioned clowns were prime architects in our demise given their so called reputation. Would throw in Appleton and Mullery too. But Dowie for those signings and Murray whining about paying for them was when the malaise really kicked in.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,132
    edited June 1
    As I have mentioned on previous occasions, at a Bromley meeting weeks after Curbishley had gone, Murray alluded to George Graham and Gullit being interested in the position.
    I'm not saying we could have afforded the Dutchman but am sure Graham was affordable.
    Murray gave us Dowie, he was the root cause of our relegation and subsequent slide.
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,403
    edited May 31
    I always said Roy Hodgson at the time probably could have been lured back from working in Europe, he joined Fulham the next season I think so might even have been interested too.

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