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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,748
    edited June 6
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,459
    edited June 6
    @ronnie moore is possibly the longest running piece of performance art on this site, I personally think its shit and it winds me up so i ignore it but got to admire the commitment and there are some nuggets if creativity amongst the tedious repostings where some genuinely new top level nonsense is put out.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,107
    edited June 6
    raytreacy said:
    I don't comment on Ronnie Moore's posts but if I agree I will like them. If I disagree I ignore them.
    This is an open forum so, as long as it's not offensive, people can write what they like. Agree, disagree, think it's a load of crap, that's personal taste, but I do think, to some people, they feel it's ok to take the piss out of him.
    I'm sure if admin felt he overstepped they would ban him.
    That's my view feel free to agree or disagree or think it's a load of crap.
    He's been banned before if I'm not mistaken.
    So have you on other forums.
    Only the one, but that does not count.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,107
    Why is it multiple people can't spell Chapple, Ramsay Vetokele etc?
    None of them as good as Paul Kanchelskis.
    Andrei Konchesky.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,107
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 11,095
    Jones will be ruthless but he doesn't seem to know a good player from a bad.

    His recruitment, even outside ex-Luton players has been poor.  His most expensive signing, a striker with 7 goals is marmite. He has spent millions on players who have been dropped, injured, or out on loan. 
    Think it’s unfair to call his recruitment poor considering the absolute dross we’ve signed in the past. 

    From his current signings 

    Success
    Mannion 
    Fevs 
    Clarke
    Bree
    Mitchell 
    Bell
    Small
    Edwards
    Coady 
    Docherty 
    Berry 
    Carey
    Gilbert 
    Godden
    Dykes 

    Flopped 
    Kaminski 
    A.Campbell 
    Apter 
    Ahadme 
    Tanto 

    Filled their role 
    Bouzonis 
    Brooks
    McIntyre 
    Chambers 
    Hylton 

    Jury out - Fans will have different opinions
    Sichenje (not seen enough) 
    Burke (injuries, but cost nothing and good when fit)
    JRC (potentially better in a developed setup)
    Knibbs (injuries/Carey form)  
    Kelman (fee related) 

    Such a low risk not a big deal
    (minimal wages/short contract - more like a trial)
    Potts
    Dixon 
    Rousillon
    Hernandez 
    Lualua
    Wickham 

    From his 36 signings personally I can only give you 5 where I’ve seriously gone what have we done for me that’s a pretty good return rate and even then 1 of those in A.Campbell we were able to offload ASAP

    11 clean sheets in the Championship, and you call Kaminski a flop! Honestly, I think some people really don’t have a clue about football! 
    And how many CS would we have kept if we didn’t have Ramsay Jones and Bell as a back 3?

    Yes games like QPR, Sheffield United, Ipswich (A), West Brom, Coventry he’s done fantastically but also opposed to that Ipswich (H), Pompey x2, Stoke he’s had some absolute howlers.

    Kaminski hasn’t been awful like and Isted, Mcgillvray level, he’s been an average championship keeper but when you take into account he’s the highest paid player by quite some way, the expectations and career he’s had coming into the club I think hes underperformed, maybe flop is a harsh word but I was expecting a top keeper  
    I don’t get the hate for Kaminski on here! 

    I was expecting a keeper that would help keep us up and that’s whet we got. He had two shockers out of 40, Portsmouth at home and Stoke away. He also had a couple of excellent games, I would say he is a typical keeper for a team one step ahead of the relegation places. In comparison, Mannion had two shockers and one blinder in 6.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,993
    Surely there will be some movement next week 
    I think we’re still way too early to be expecting much to happen. Players are still away or just returning from holidays and so are managers and coaches. Players are under contract until 30th June I think so even those released or out of contract will be getting paid until then. Why sign someone and pay them 10k per week before you need to even if negotiating is taking place. Not saying we might not see something happen but I think the bulk of the transfers will take place in July earliest.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce9p91r771go

    I agree that it's still very early, but a few transfers have happened and been announced already, even if wages aren't paid by the new club until the 1st July. Andy Robertson being the most notable.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,143
    MarcusH26 said:
    NabySarr said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Think this is going to be a slow starting window with the World Cup and players that might have been available early in previous years being held back to cover preseason tours etc that the WC players will miss. 
    Only thing that probably could happen soon is Godden signing a new contract, or even better some other contract extensions 
    Yeah I can see that being our lot until maybe the first couple of weeks of July. 
    We only made 1 signing in the whole of June last year it’s definitely going to take a while before things start happening 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,171
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,107
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
    I agree with the difference in property prices.
    I would like to think that we are not in the market for non established players so consequently property prices are not so much a concern.

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  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,343
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
    I agree with the difference in property prices.
    I would like to think that we are not in the market for non established players so consequently property prices are not so much a concern.
    Speaking as an exile I would argue that purely from a lifestyle point of view there are many clubs more attractive than any London club. Obviously I fully expect to be shouted at by the majority on here for saying that but it’s true lol
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,505
    AndyG said:
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
    I agree with the difference in property prices.
    I would like to think that we are not in the market for non established players so consequently property prices are not so much a concern.
    Speaking as an exile I would argue that purely from a lifestyle point of view there are many clubs more attractive than any London club. Obviously I fully expect to be shouted at by the majority on here for saying that but it’s true lol
    I think it all depends what you mean by ’lifestyle’. If I was a 25 year old footballer on £6k a week I would definitely want to live in London. There’s no doubt though that for English people who aren’t from London there is some sort of fear factor, mainly based on the media focus on the fact that we live under sharia law and a pensioner is murdered every 7 seconds. 
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,343
    Uboat said:
    AndyG said:
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
    I agree with the difference in property prices.
    I would like to think that we are not in the market for non established players so consequently property prices are not so much a concern.
    Speaking as an exile I would argue that purely from a lifestyle point of view there are many clubs more attractive than any London club. Obviously I fully expect to be shouted at by the majority on here for saying that but it’s true lol
    I think it all depends what you mean by ’lifestyle’. If I was a 25 year old footballer on £6k a week I would definitely want to live in London. There’s no doubt though that for English people who aren’t from London there is some sort of fear factor, mainly based on the media focus on the fact that we live under sharia law and a pensioner is murdered every 7 seconds. 
    Not sure it’s fear mate. I’m a proud Londoner but the visits back for games are enough for me. The traffic and general chaos would do my head if I lived there now 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,310
    London will also have a much bigger Spanish, French, Kenyan, Japanese etc etc population and culture than any other UK city.

    Apter and Carey moved from up north because we could offer higher division football and presumably bigger wages. Tanto moved back home to SE London/Kent, Coady left his family up north so he could get games, Dykes too probably.

    Players aren't moving to an inner city estate unless they are Edwards who was/is living on the Ferrier estate but I hear that's gone up market recently.

    Knibbs is on record saying he loves living in London (near the O2 I believe).

    Doc was living in Bickley, like me, which is a suburban paradise.

    Each player will have their own preferences based on family, age, background, income etc but London is still a draw,. If it wasn't houses wouldn't be so expensive here.
  • up_the_valley
    up_the_valley Posts: 4,583
    London not the pull to players then it use to be in fact I think it puts players or at least their wife’s now with the state of our capital city as it is … 
    I’m assuming English isn’t your first language?
    Millwall fan, what can you expect?
    Who been going to the valley since 1968 and still owns Ronnie Moore little toe ….
    Since Millwall played us at the Valley in 1968 you mean.

    Any real fan would say "supporting Charlton since 1968"
    That was my first Charlton game, and we won 1-0...
    And you were supporting Millwall🤣
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 26,608
    London not the pull to players then it use to be in fact I think it puts players or at least their wife’s now with the state of our capital city as it is … 
    I’m assuming English isn’t your first language?
    Millwall fan, what can you expect?
    Who been going to the valley since 1968 and still owns Ronnie Moore little toe ….
    Since Millwall played us at the Valley in 1968 you mean.

    Any real fan would say "supporting Charlton since 1968"
    That was my first Charlton game, and we won 1-0...
    And you were supporting Millwall🤣
    Sssshhh...😉
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,171
    AndyG said:
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
    I agree with the difference in property prices.
    I would like to think that we are not in the market for non established players so consequently property prices are not so much a concern.
    Speaking as an exile I would argue that purely from a lifestyle point of view there are many clubs more attractive than any London club. Obviously I fully expect to be shouted at by the majority on here for saying that but it’s true lol
    I’m also in exile and while I agree with your point I think much would depend on the age a personal circumstances of the player. Single or married with children could make a lot of difference to that decision. 
  • London not the pull to players then it use to be in fact I think it puts players or at least their wife’s now with the state of our capital city as it is … 
    I’m assuming English isn’t your first language?
    Millwall fan, what can you expect?
    Who been going to the valley since 1968 and still owns Ronnie Moore little toe ….
    Since Millwall played us at the Valley in 1968 you mean.

    Any real fan would say "supporting Charlton since 1968"
    That was my first Charlton game, and we won 1-0...
    First real game I remember was 2-0 win over Derby with Matt Tees and Ray Tracey scoring the goals … January 1969 
    I was there for that one .. biggest memory is Dave McKay pulling Harry Gregory's hair as Gregory was always right in McKay's face as he tried to take long throw ins .. instant red card nowadays of course .. also a Hinton shot crashing into the bar, the ball rebounding thirty feet into the air and then falling right into Charlie Wright's arms, one of the greatest games I ever saw at the Valley.. if I remember we finished third that season, no play offs in those days .. Derby of course managed by Brian Clough, Charlton by Eddie Firmani .. 2 VERY VERY good teams
    Remember that game  I was 9 years old. Dave Mckay was outside the stand an hour before kick off.  My Dad shook his hand and he said hello to me and asked if I was a good footballer. Happy days and yes a great match.
  • robinofottershaw
    robinofottershaw Posts: 2,025
    edited June 6
    London not the pull to players then it use to be in fact I think it puts players or at least their wife’s now with the state of our capital city as it is … 
    I’m assuming English isn’t your first language?
    Millwall fan, what can you expect?
    Who been going to the valley since 1968 and still owns Ronnie Moore little toe ….
    Since Millwall played us at the Valley in 1968 you mean.

    Any real fan would say "supporting Charlton since 1968"
    That was my first Charlton game, and we won 1-0...
    First real game I remember was 2-0 win over Derby with Matt Tees and Ray Tracey scoring the goals … January 1969 
    I was there for that one .. biggest memory is Dave McKay pulling Harry Gregory's hair as Gregory was always right in McKay's face as he tried to take long throw ins .. instant red card nowadays of course .. also a Hinton shot crashing into the bar, the ball rebounding thirty feet into the air and then falling right into Charlie Wright's arms, one of the greatest games I ever saw at the Valley.. if I remember we finished third that season, no play offs in those days .. Derby of course managed by Brian Clough, Charlton by Eddie Firmani .. 2 VERY VERY good teams
    Remember that game  I was 9 years old. Dave Mckay was outside the stand an hour before kick off.  My Dad shook his hand and he said hello to me and asked if I was a good footballer. Happy days and yes a great match.
    A big crowd that day and the TV cameras were there.

    https://youtu.be/vcT0ZRwaYcA?si=EP1gK_eGqs4T0CHC
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,943
    AndyG said:
    Uboat said:
    AndyG said:
    Who, when, how and where we sign will depend on the MONEY available, i m o , as simple as that .. also, as I have been saying for years, London is an expensive place to live and the wages we pay will need to reflect that ..

    lastly, as we all know, a lot of our contracted players need to be moved on. They have little prospect of playing as they are just not good enough ..

    this will be a BIG factor in who we can sign as they will be costing hundreds of thousands in wages, national insurance contributions, and personal insurance until their contracts are concluded .. this all makes for a very complicated and perhaps hard to resolve tranfer cycle
    I'd suggest the surrounding areas of Dartford are affordable enough to not be a problem finding property.
    The prices of housing in any of the nice parts of the South East let alone London bear no relation whatsoever to what you can find in the north of England. A younger non established player perhaps with a young family without a few years of very good wages might seriously wonder whether or not it worth moving south. 
    I agree with the difference in property prices.
    I would like to think that we are not in the market for non established players so consequently property prices are not so much a concern.
    Speaking as an exile I would argue that purely from a lifestyle point of view there are many clubs more attractive than any London club. Obviously I fully expect to be shouted at by the majority on here for saying that but it’s true lol
    I think it all depends what you mean by ’lifestyle’. If I was a 25 year old footballer on £6k a week I would definitely want to live in London. There’s no doubt though that for English people who aren’t from London there is some sort of fear factor, mainly based on the media focus on the fact that we live under sharia law and a pensioner is murdered every 7 seconds. 
    Not sure it’s fear mate. I’m a proud Londoner but the visits back for games are enough for me. The traffic and general chaos would do my head if I lived there now 

    Are you under the age of 30?  My guess is no.
    (I'm with you on bad traffic and general chaos, I'd also have been a long time retired if I was a footballer.

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  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,364
    London not the pull to players then it use to be in fact I think it puts players or at least their wife’s now with the state of our capital city as it is … 
    I’m assuming English isn’t your first language?
    Millwall fan, what can you expect?
    Who been going to the valley since 1968 and still owns Ronnie Moore little toe ….
    Since Millwall played us at the Valley in 1968 you mean.

    Any real fan would say "supporting Charlton since 1968"
    That was my first Charlton game, and we won 1-0...
    First real game I remember was 2-0 win over Derby with Matt Tees and Ray Tracey scoring the goals … January 1969 
    I was there for that one .. biggest memory is Dave McKay pulling Harry Gregory's hair as Gregory was always right in McKay's face as he tried to take long throw ins .. instant red card nowadays of course .. also a Hinton shot crashing into the bar, the ball rebounding thirty feet into the air and then falling right into Charlie Wright's arms, one of the greatest games I ever saw at the Valley.. if I remember we finished third that season, no play offs in those days .. Derby of course managed by Brian Clough, Charlton by Eddie Firmani .. 2 VERY VERY good teams
    Remember that game  I was 9 years old. Dave Mckay was outside the stand an hour before kick off.  My Dad shook his hand and he said hello to me and asked if I was a good footballer. Happy days and yes a great match.
    A big crowd that day and the TV cameras were there.

    https://youtu.be/vcT0ZRwaYcA?si=EP1gK_eGqs4T0CHC
    I was there, such a great day and a blinder from Treacy.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,459
    London will also have a much bigger Spanish, French, Kenyan, Japanese etc etc population and culture than any other UK city.

    Apter and Carey moved from up north because we could offer higher division football and presumably bigger wages. Tanto moved back home to SE London/Kent, Coady left his family up north so he could get games, Dykes too probably.

    Players aren't moving to an inner city estate unless they are Edwards who was/is living on the Ferrier estate but I hear the drugs sold there have gone up market recently.

    Knibbs is on record saying he loves living in London (near the O2 I believe).

    Doc was living in Bickley, like me, which is a suburban paradise.

    Each player will have their own preferences based on family, age, background, income etc but London is still a draw,. If it wasn't houses wouldn't be so expensive here.
    Amended for an error.
  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 793
    I will say don’t think NJ obsession with TC actually helped TC …. 
    Oh, the irony of Colin Sams talking ...

    I think it is poor form to refer to a poster by any name other than the one he/she chooses. I used to post on another board where someone was expelled for doing so.
  • raytreacy
    raytreacy Posts: 277
    London not the pull to players then it use to be in fact I think it puts players or at least their wife’s now with the state of our capital city as it is … 
    I’m assuming English isn’t your first language?
    Millwall fan, what can you expect?
    Who been going to the valley since 1968 and still owns Ronnie Moore little toe ….
    Since Millwall played us at the Valley in 1968 you mean.

    Any real fan would say "supporting Charlton since 1968"
    That was my first Charlton game, and we won 1-0...
    First real game I remember was 2-0 win over Derby with Matt Tees and Ray Tracey scoring the goals … January 1969 
    I was there for that one .. biggest memory is Dave McKay pulling Harry Gregory's hair as Gregory was always right in McKay's face as he tried to take long throw ins .. instant red card nowadays of course .. also a Hinton shot crashing into the bar, the ball rebounding thirty feet into the air and then falling right into Charlie Wright's arms, one of the greatest games I ever saw at the Valley.. if I remember we finished third that season, no play offs in those days .. Derby of course managed by Brian Clough, Charlton by Eddie Firmani .. 2 VERY VERY good teams
    Remember that game  I was 9 years old. Dave Mckay was outside the stand an hour before kick off.  My Dad shook his hand and he said hello to me and asked if I was a good footballer. Happy days and yes a great match.
    A big crowd that day and the TV cameras were there.

    https://youtu.be/vcT0ZRwaYcA?si=EP1gK_eGqs4T0CHC
    I was there, such a great day and a blinder from Treacy.
    I was there too. That team was my favourite team in my 66 years of supporting Charlton.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,847
    Jones will be ruthless but he doesn't seem to know a good player from a bad.

    His recruitment, even outside ex-Luton players has been poor.  His most expensive signing, a striker with 7 goals is marmite. He has spent millions on players who have been dropped, injured, or out on loan. 
    Think it’s unfair to call his recruitment poor considering the absolute dross we’ve signed in the past. 

    From his current signings 

    Success
    Mannion 
    Fevs 
    Clarke
    Bree
    Mitchell 
    Bell
    Small
    Edwards
    Coady 
    Docherty 
    Berry 
    Carey
    Gilbert 
    Godden
    Dykes 

    Flopped 
    Kaminski 
    A.Campbell 
    Apter 
    Ahadme 
    Tanto 

    Filled their role 
    Bouzonis 
    Brooks
    McIntyre 
    Chambers 
    Hylton 

    Jury out - Fans will have different opinions
    Sichenje (not seen enough) 
    Burke (injuries, but cost nothing and good when fit)
    JRC (potentially better in a developed setup)
    Knibbs (injuries/Carey form)  
    Kelman (fee related) 

    Such a low risk not a big deal
    (minimal wages/short contract - more like a trial)
    Potts
    Dixon 
    Rousillon
    Hernandez 
    Lualua
    Wickham 

    From his 36 signings personally I can only give you 5 where I’ve seriously gone what have we done for me that’s a pretty good return rate and even then 1 of those in A.Campbell we were able to offload ASAP

    11 clean sheets in the Championship, and you call Kaminski a flop! Honestly, I think some people really don’t have a clue about football! 
    And how many CS would we have kept if we didn’t have Ramsay Jones and Bell as a back 3?

    Yes games like QPR, Sheffield United, Ipswich (A), West Brom, Coventry he’s done fantastically but also opposed to that Ipswich (H), Pompey x2, Stoke he’s had some absolute howlers.

    Kaminski hasn’t been awful like and Isted, Mcgillvray level, he’s been an average championship keeper but when you take into account he’s the highest paid player by quite some way, the expectations and career he’s had coming into the club I think hes underperformed, maybe flop is a harsh word but I was expecting a top keeper  
    I don’t get the hate for Kaminski on here! 

    I was expecting a keeper that would help keep us up and that’s whet we got. He had two shockers out of 40, Portsmouth at home and Stoke away. He also had a couple of excellent games, I would say he is a typical keeper for a team one step ahead of the relegation places. In comparison, Mannion had two shockers and one blinder in 6.
    I have no hate for Kaminski but he was no more than bang average overall. Think people just expected/hoped for a bit better.
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 1,090
    Ronnie Moore boasts on other forums about how he posts on here for wind-ups.

    Someone I know that knew him from work says that he always used to say that he was a Millwall fan.

    Just got to realise that the opposite to whatever he says is accurate.
  • Diebythesword
    Diebythesword Posts: 809
    Talal said:
    Jones will be ruthless but he doesn't seem to know a good player from a bad.

    His recruitment, even outside ex-Luton players has been poor.  His most expensive signing, a striker with 7 goals is marmite. He has spent millions on players who have been dropped, injured, or out on loan. 
    Think it’s unfair to call his recruitment poor considering the absolute dross we’ve signed in the past. 

    From his current signings 

    Success
    Mannion 
    Fevs 
    Clarke
    Bree
    Mitchell 
    Bell
    Small
    Edwards
    Coady 
    Docherty 
    Berry 
    Carey
    Gilbert 
    Godden
    Dykes 

    Flopped 
    Kaminski 
    A.Campbell 
    Apter 
    Ahadme 
    Tanto 

    Filled their role 
    Bouzonis 
    Brooks
    McIntyre 
    Chambers 
    Hylton 

    Jury out - Fans will have different opinions
    Sichenje (not seen enough) 
    Burke (injuries, but cost nothing and good when fit)
    JRC (potentially better in a developed setup)
    Knibbs (injuries/Carey form)  
    Kelman (fee related) 

    Such a low risk not a big deal
    (minimal wages/short contract - more like a trial)
    Potts
    Dixon 
    Rousillon
    Hernandez 
    Lualua
    Wickham 

    From his 36 signings personally I can only give you 5 where I’ve seriously gone what have we done for me that’s a pretty good return rate and even then 1 of those in A.Campbell we were able to offload ASAP

    11 clean sheets in the Championship, and you call Kaminski a flop! Honestly, I think some people really don’t have a clue about football! 
    And how many CS would we have kept if we didn’t have Ramsay Jones and Bell as a back 3?

    Yes games like QPR, Sheffield United, Ipswich (A), West Brom, Coventry he’s done fantastically but also opposed to that Ipswich (H), Pompey x2, Stoke he’s had some absolute howlers.

    Kaminski hasn’t been awful like and Isted, Mcgillvray level, he’s been an average championship keeper but when you take into account he’s the highest paid player by quite some way, the expectations and career he’s had coming into the club I think hes underperformed, maybe flop is a harsh word but I was expecting a top keeper  
    I don’t get the hate for Kaminski on here! 

    I was expecting a keeper that would help keep us up and that’s whet we got. He had two shockers out of 40, Portsmouth at home and Stoke away. He also had a couple of excellent games, I would say he is a typical keeper for a team one step ahead of the relegation places. In comparison, Mannion had two shockers and one blinder in 6.
    I have no hate for Kaminski but he was no more than bang average overall. Think people just expected/hoped for a bit better.
    Yeah he saved us points and cost us them in equal measure. You could make the argument if he cut out the silly mistakes he would be a good keeper, in the same way if Rankin Costello got fitter and stronger he’d be better, ditto Kelman. 
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,459
    Or if any player were a better player they would be...um a better player
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 16,398
    I will say don’t think NJ obsession with TC actually helped TC …. 
    Oh, the irony of Colin Sams talking about someone else having an "obsession" with TC.
    This Ronnie guy has often got some shit opinions but publicising his full name is a pretty weird and immature thing to do - what was the benefit there?
    I have no idea who “Colin Sams” is so it means nothing to me (ah, Vienna). 
  • PeaksAndValleys
    PeaksAndValleys Posts: 215
    NabySarr said:
    Southbank said:
    shine166 said:
    Redhenry said:
    Don't know if it's been mentioned, but selling Kanu is pure profit for PSR rules.
    If we are spending more than last year I would be selling Kanu, if we can get close to a mill. 
    The standard in League 2 is miles away from Champ, we need at least 4/5 upgrades on last seasons starting eleven...
    Literally this, we wasted millions last year and almost everyone will have to be loaned out until contracts expire. We dont have too many saleable assest and something has to give. 

    So if Jones is going to be ruthless to keep us in the division, he could possibly sell Kanu, Leaburn and TC to help with the PSR and maybe go for broke with championship quality and experience............ just saying.....?
    Ruthless means primarily ditching the dross, Ahadme, Olaofe, Apter, A Mitchell etc, not having them hanging around the first team squad like a bad smell. The youngsters can be loaned out unless there is a very big fee for them (very unlikely).
    I'm not so sure that "ruthless" means just getting rid of unwanted players.

    I suspect it means moving on players who've done well for us and some from our academy as well as those signings who've not cut the mustard. 
    Agreed, it's an easy decision to get rid of players that haven't really been able to contribute. "Ruthless" is putting aside emotion/loyalty around players who have helped get us this far, or been at the club a long time, but aren't considered good enough to help the club progress.

    I'm not saying all these players will be moved on, or that it's an extensive list, but some names who I would think NJ might be pondering being "ruthless" with are Mannion, Kaminski, Gillesphey, Doc, Coventry, Knibbs, Leaburn, Karoy, Kanu, Asiimwe, and Burke.
    I think & hope Doc will stay as a squad player but agree with most of the other names you mention.

    The challenge will be finding clubs that can match the current wages that the likes of Kaminski, Burke & Knibbs earn. Can’t see there being a big queue of clubs willing to do that.
    Yeah, me too, I think. This isn't a list of players I necessarily think should be moved on, and I certainly doubt that they all would be. Apart from anything else, I just don't think we could release and replace that many platers in one summer.

    Leaburn is another one I would not want to give up on yet and probably also Knibbs and Kanu. And I'm on the fence about Karoy. I can just envisage that NJ, at some point at least, will have or will be considering if they are the right players to help take us forward. Some of them he may have thought about and decided, yes, he does want them around for at least one more season. Some he might want out. Some he might be willing to let go for a reasonable fee that bolsters his transfer kitty.

    But I do think they're all players that it's not inconceivable that they could be moved on.
    Kaminski - Not justifying wages 
    Mannion - May want 1st team football 
    Apter - Failed L1 loan not a Jones player
    Asiimwe - Needs regular mins to develop 
    Ramsay - 1 year left on deal 
    A.Mitchell - Stocks high wants move 
    Z. Mitchell - Needs mins to develop 
    Jones - 1 year left on deal 
    Macca - Proven he’s not at this level 
    Coventry - In and out of team, pref Coady 
    Doc - no on the ball ability 
    Anderson - Needs regular mins to develop
    JRC- Jones hardly used him 
    Carey - Output could possibly get big bid
    Fullah - Needs regular men’s football 
    Kelman - Jones doesn’t rate him
    Tanto - Failed L1 loan 
    TC - 1 year left on deal 
    Kanu - 1 year left on deal, stocks high, L1 loan?
    Dixon - Not good enough 
    Ahadme - Not good enough 
    Leaburn - Lack of consistency.

    now obviously we won’t sell everyone eg reckon Doc stays but genuinely believe there’s an argument that a lot of players have reasoning they could be moved on. 

    Sichenje (new signing), Burke (no club gambles on wages), Bell (good, injury prone + age won’t attract offers), Edwards (rated/good + injuries may put offers off), Knibbs (injuries give him BOD and won’t get offer that matches what we paid) are the only players I can’t see a reason we’d either be open to letting go or could tempt other clubs to make offers for those players. 

    Only thing we can do is wait to see what NJ has in store 

    I agree with the above and will not go down the road of who could go, suffice to say normally you'll see almost 10 new players come in.

    I’m hoping we need less than that this summer. Some interesting stats on number of signings and teams that do well tend to do less signings than average 



    It’s natural for us all to want lots of new players because it’s exciting. I think last season in the EFL showed that it’s actually better to have less overhaul, and actually develop the players you have (which seems to be a forgotten element of football these days as everyone wants instant success and lots of new signings). We obviously need some areas strengthened but I hope we don’t go too crazy and we let Jones do what he’s paid to do and develop our players 
    Another way of reading those stats is good teams don't need open heart surgery