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To be fair, she might be smiling, it's just impossible to tell anymore. I saw her hugging Beckham at the end of the game and she had the same expression, I think her face just doesn't really move now._MrDick said:
Ripped from X .. The moment when you realise how much Victoria Beckham loves football7 -
It may not have been a boyhood dream to manage England but when Tuchel was Chelsea manager and experienced first hand the England trauma, he said then to his agent that it was his dream to manage us and how could they make that happen? His agent laughed but here we are!Exiled_Addick said:The post match interview of Tuchel had shades of @LouisMend telling Nathan Jones “you’ve had a decent week”.
Tuchel knows, like @ValleyGary does, that if the final piece of the jigsaw can click into place and England can play with some technical verve and attacking fluency to go with the dogged battling we’ve seen so far, then the finals are in reach and wining the while damn thing is a possibility. But shit gets real now and half measures probably won’t get us any further.
He’s not England manager because it’s a boyhood dream - he’s German, so his only motivation in this job is winning. Nothing wrong with being proud of the effort, because the effort being there is vital, but I think it’s great that he understands that it’s not enough, on its own, and is pushing the players to do more.It’s another reason he was hired to take England beyond the Southgate years. I think a Southgate probably would have also got this side to the semis, but would he have had the drive to take them the next level? His record would suggest not. Tuchel is doing things differently and that’s exactly what he was hired to do.That’s from Tuchel himself in a Sky profile feature around the time of his appointment.4 -
Said this to my mates last night - was hoping Argentina got through rather than Switzerland. Feel like we need a game like this in order to rise to the occasion.DamoNorthStand said:Wednesday is going to be epic. I’ve been speaking to my 18 year old son about it because it’s actually a new thing for him.
Hes said he’s known bigger occasions. Euros finals.
Nah.
This is it. A goliath of a game.It’s them lot. The Argies. In a World Cup semi final. All the years of cheating. Of dodgy decisions. Fat boy and his hand of god. Simeone and his dirty games. Chanting about the Falklands in the dressing room.
None of this Three Lions bollocks. World in Motion going full blast in my living room now.It doesn’t get any bigger than this.This is why the World Cup is the greatest sporting occasion. Whatever happens Wednesday will be a night you remember for the rest of your life
Huge game now, feels like an instant World Cup classic. Switzerland would not have been.9 -
Tuchel made a mess of his initial selections and early changes. Not helped by his squad selection.ForeverAddickted said:conker said:Rashford seems to have dropped down the pecking order.Probably doesn't help that Tuchel wanted to try and have Bellingham drop back with Rice going off, so it was Eze / Rodgers as the obvious choice at the time.James then comes on, and rather than re-sub off Eze, he goes wide to where you'd expect to have seen Rashford - Wonder if Rice doesn't come off, then Rashford for Gordon is a potential sub that we see at some stage, but because of how the subs did work out... It wouldn't have made sense
If TWO player are hooked at HT, neither due to an injury during the half, then something has gone wrong. Rice was way below his usual level due to his illness, he should never have started. Madueke was presumably meant to be replaced by Saka at some point, but it would never have been planned to happen at HT. That happened because of how poor he was.
Then bringing Eze on for Rice, shifted our biggest attacking threat (one on a yellow card too) deeper, and further from the goal. And as Eze was ineffective, to shift him away Gordon was subbed off, to move Eze out to the left, resulting in us having Eze on the left wing for 50 minutes, and Rashford unused.
Baffling why Mainoo remains unused. And indeed why Wharton didn't make the squad.
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I take it we won't be getting our free Christmas tree for Trafalgar Square anymore then......9
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I work with a Brazilian can confirmDamoNorthStand said:England shirts will be flying off the shelves in Brazil that’s for sure. They are all England fans this week
that they nation of Brazil will be 100% supporting England on Wednesday.5 -
Only when Eddie Youds is playing._MrDick said:Ripped from X .. The moment when you realise how much Victoria Beckham loves football0 -
Right I have started the thread you are all crying out for (for opposing reasons, of course😂)2
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I haven’t read through the thread so I may or may not be repeating what has been said.First half we were there for the taking, defending seams to be optional or it might have been a preoccupation with the big man of theirs. Our equaliser was beautiful football, why can’t we have more of that?Second half I thought we we better but both teams largely cancelled each other out. Winning goal a little fortunate but goals mostly come from mistakes and Bellingham had to be there to score, I’ll certainly take a bit of luck. I think on another day, certainly I. This country the penalty could have been given, surely a player can choose where to plant his leg. I don’t know what the Norwegians were moaning about for their disallowed goal. You are certainly not allowed to push an England player.I’m warning to Tuchel I particularly liked that he knows things aren’t going well and he is not afraid to change things early, even if his changes don’t make matters better at least it gives the opposition something to think about.His post match interview with itv was gold.2
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I had good seat for the match. Couldn’t see the bottom 1/3 of the goal but what do you expect for $900.Note the storm clouds9 -
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I wouldn't let Lineker anywhere near our current team.DamoNorthStand said:I’d be getting Beckham, Terry Butcher, Lineker, Peter Reid…… anyone who has experienced the Argies dark arts. Into a room with our lot to help prepare them into what to expect. Our team would never have experienced anything like it outside of dealing with Simeone on the sidelines1 -
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I saw some "vox pops" from the US online earlier, asking Norway fans who they would like to win the World Cup if it weren't them. Whilst I'm not naive enough to think that it would be a universal view, the typical responses were along the lines of:-Afternoon Delight said:I take it we won't be getting our free Christmas tree for Trafalgar Square anymore then......
"If it's not us, then England - Norway has been brought up on English football".
"Definitely England - we follow English football - I'm a huge West Ham fan".
I think we'll still get the tree!10 -
On reflection I’m sure Tuchel won’t play someone who’s been ill for a few days before the match again. Rice was a pale shadow of himself.2
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Hopefully another 4 days rest and air conditioned stadium and we can have him back again……iainment said:On reflection I’m sure Tuchel won’t play someone who’s been ill for a few days before the match again. Rice was a pale shadow of himself.
thinking taking him off at half time saved him for Weds.
Otherwise Mainoo please3 -
Out of all of them I thought Tuchel had a terrible game. Playing rice when he clearly wasn’t fit, then replacing him with Eze when Roger’s would have been a better fit. Changing the marking of Odegaard when in first half Anderson had kept him quiet.4
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WTF?LittleAddick said:
Moved his hand out the way. I'd say that's the third goal we've conceded that he should have stopped this tournament.Gribbo said:I don't think you can blame Pickford for that?1 -
I know Madueke is getting all the criticism but what's happened to Eze? He looks like a pale shadow of the player who was ripping us to shreds in the Championship 5 or 6 years ago.1
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You may have answered your own question there.SantaClaus said:I know Madueke is getting all the criticism but what's happened to Eze? He looks like a pale shadow of the player who was ripping us to shreds in the Championship 5 or 6 years ago.
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CaptainRobbo said:Does anyone know when the Refs for the semis get chosen?
And how many are left in the pot to pick from?
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If you want to win the whole thing and claim to be world champions you can’t fear anyone. Winning by default / generosity of circumstances is not what we want.LouisMend said:
Said this to my mates last night - was hoping Argentina got through rather than Switzerland. Feel like we need a game like this in order to rise to the occasion.DamoNorthStand said:Wednesday is going to be epic. I’ve been speaking to my 18 year old son about it because it’s actually a new thing for him.
Hes said he’s known bigger occasions. Euros finals.
Nah.
This is it. A goliath of a game.It’s them lot. The Argies. In a World Cup semi final. All the years of cheating. Of dodgy decisions. Fat boy and his hand of god. Simeone and his dirty games. Chanting about the Falklands in the dressing room.
None of this Three Lions bollocks. World in Motion going full blast in my living room now.It doesn’t get any bigger than this.This is why the World Cup is the greatest sporting occasion. Whatever happens Wednesday will be a night you remember for the rest of your life
Huge game now, feels like an instant World Cup classic. Switzerland would not have been.I don’t believe the players do worry about who we face. One game at a time and all that.1 -
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Not surprised to read them at all.SporadicAddick said:
I saw some "vox pops" from the US online earlier, asking Norway fans who they would like to win the World Cup if it weren't them. Whilst I'm not naive enough to think that it would be a universal view, the typical responses were along the lines of:-Afternoon Delight said:I take it we won't be getting our free Christmas tree for Trafalgar Square anymore then......
"If it's not us, then England - Norway has been brought up on English football".
"Definitely England - we follow English football - I'm a huge West Ham fan".
I think we'll still get the tree!This is the country that has been showing FAPL games live on Saturday afternoons for years and usually with guests of British ex-pros for their studio discussions. And the most amazing thing is that with those British guys, they all just lapse into English and don't even bother to subtitle it. Everybody's perfectly cool with it because they (the audience) all speak English perfectly.0 -
Fair point. That said it's still shocking to see a player who's game was based around high energy and fearless ball carrying seeming to have had those traits coached out of his game.bobmunro said:
You may nave answered your own question there.SantaClaus said:I know Madueke is getting all the criticism but what's happened to Eze? He looks like a pale shadow of the player who was ripping us to shreds in the Championship 5 or 6 years ago.0 -
STOP THE PRESS! WEVE FOUND SOMETHING SPORADIC AND I AGREE ON!!!!SporadicAddick said:
Infantino is the head of FIFA. He has the best seat in the house. The son of the King of Norway was there, so he got to sit next to the head of FIFA. If the son of our King had been there, guess where he would have sat?MrWalker said:
You are welcome to your opinion.SporadicAddick said:
@MrWalker I'm not stuck to this forum to rapidly respond to your conspiracy nonsense, so apologies if I didn't answer quickly enough.MrWalker said:
Anything??MrWalker said:
Can you explain why he has done this? And the Trump call?SporadicAddick said:
Laughable.Weegie Addick said:There’s maybe a clue in Infantino sitting next to the Norwegian prince. Like he also sat among all the Mexican dignitaries.
I suspect you can't.
But no, nothing. I don't believe the outcome of matches in this world cup are being influenced as a result of corruption.
But can you explain the Trump call and Infantilo sittng with Norways Crown Prince?
The allocation of officials in the 1/4 finals.
All innocent you think?
The seating plan of the VIP area had no influence on refereeing decisions during the game.
In terms of the Quarter final officials, FIFA Refereeing Chief Pierluigi Collina strongly defended the integrity of the selection process, firmly dismissing any allegations of institutional bias or structural influence. Didier Deschamps stated that they were playing Morocco, not the referee.
I'd be surprised if Collina was also a part of this big conspiracy.
The Trump phone call - yes that's bollocks, and I'm inclined to agree that the decision was politically influenced and enabled availability - but nothing in that process influenced on-field decision making.
The point being made was that the decisions in this game were against England and were evidence of corruption. But the main thrust of the conspiracy theory against FIFA is that decisions are there to keep the big nations in. England are a bigger nation and a bigger money earner for FIFA than Norway - so why would the officials be corrupt against England.
Conspiracy theorists can't have it both ways, or can you?4 -
Don’t push it sunshine 😉cantersaddick said:
STOP THE PRESS! WEVE FOUND SOMETHING SPORADIC AND I AGREE ON!!!!SporadicAddick said:
Infantino is the head of FIFA. He has the best seat in the house. The son of the King of Norway was there, so he got to sit next to the head of FIFA. If the son of our King had been there, guess where he would have sat?MrWalker said:
You are welcome to your opinion.SporadicAddick said:
@MrWalker I'm not stuck to this forum to rapidly respond to your conspiracy nonsense, so apologies if I didn't answer quickly enough.MrWalker said:
Anything??MrWalker said:
Can you explain why he has done this? And the Trump call?SporadicAddick said:
Laughable.Weegie Addick said:There’s maybe a clue in Infantino sitting next to the Norwegian prince. Like he also sat among all the Mexican dignitaries.
I suspect you can't.
But no, nothing. I don't believe the outcome of matches in this world cup are being influenced as a result of corruption.
But can you explain the Trump call and Infantilo sittng with Norways Crown Prince?
The allocation of officials in the 1/4 finals.
All innocent you think?
The seating plan of the VIP area had no influence on refereeing decisions during the game.
In terms of the Quarter final officials, FIFA Refereeing Chief Pierluigi Collina strongly defended the integrity of the selection process, firmly dismissing any allegations of institutional bias or structural influence. Didier Deschamps stated that they were playing Morocco, not the referee.
I'd be surprised if Collina was also a part of this big conspiracy.
The Trump phone call - yes that's bollocks, and I'm inclined to agree that the decision was politically influenced and enabled availability - but nothing in that process influenced on-field decision making.
The point being made was that the decisions in this game were against England and were evidence of corruption. But the main thrust of the conspiracy theory against FIFA is that decisions are there to keep the big nations in. England are a bigger nation and a bigger money earner for FIFA than Norway - so why would the officials be corrupt against England.
Conspiracy theorists can't have it both ways, or can you?6 -
But I think there are 2 things being conflated here. Corruption in the off the pitch running of the organisation such as allocation of tournaments to host nations, administrators taking bribes and even stretching as far as Trumps call re the red card. That all undoubtedly is rife within FIFA.DamoNorthStand said:Anyone who thinks FIFA is a straight and honest federation has either been asleep for the last few decades, or has share in a company who manufactures brown envelopes.
However the idea that on the pitch decisions are influenced by corruption is I think a bit of a stretch. There is certainly no evidence of that.4 -
Maybe not (yet) at this World Cup but there was at 2002.cantersaddick said:
But I think there are 2 things being conflated here. Corruption in the off the pitch running of the organisation such as allocation of tournaments to host nations, administrators taking bribes and even stretching as far as Trumps call re the red card. That all undoubtedly is rife within FIFA.DamoNorthStand said:Anyone who thinks FIFA is a straight and honest federation has either been asleep for the last few decades, or has share in a company who manufactures brown envelopes.
However the idea that on the pitch decisions are influenced by corruption is I think a bit of a stretch. There is certainly no evidence of that.0 -
You wouldn't have thought we've just reached the semi-finals of the world cup judging by some of these overly-critical comments. Lighten up and enjoy it!
So far, we've had one good performance followed by one mediocre performance so we're due a stormer against Argentina (followed by a stinker in the final
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Whilst the game could have gone either way, Norway deservedly beat Brazil so not sure we could expect to play them off the park. Especially as they have top players. I thought the ITV questioner was a bit of a disgrace yesterday. Chasing a story at the expense of unity. I don't think it will have that effect though.11
