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England v Argentina | World Cup Semi Final | 15 July 2026
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Time for this0
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I was with you until you said this. Sorry.MuttleyCAFC said:Had to sleep on that. I have never felt so let down an betrayed by a manager in my life. I was happy with the defensive display against Mexico as we were down to 10 men and playing with the odds against us. And indeed they lacked the offensive quality that Argentina possess. I didn't expect what I saw yesterday. After going up with lesss than 20 minutes of normal time to go, of course Argentina were going to change tactics and take risks. You have to accept it and see the opportunity in it. They are an average side overall but a top side if you let them attack you with impunity as England (Tuchel) did.
As a manager, you have to have the balls to react in a positive way. We were getting warnings as well and Tuchel decided to take off Gordon for Konsa and Rice for Burn.I don't blame the players, this sends entirely the wrong message to them. The ball kept coming back of course and the risk Argentina took in chasing the game became no risk at all. When you are playing a side like them, you are basically saying you are free to play to your strengths and we won't stop you.
What should Tuchel have done? Well Rashford should have been brought on and asked to play from the centre circle. That then occupies defenders and gives us an outlet. That is the bare minimum, Really he should have also kept Gordon on and if he had nothing left, probably Madueke. That would have pushed them back a bit and if it didn't we would have threatened them constantly on the break. You have to react to the situation, the manager who has gone behind has to as they are going out, the manager who has gone ahead has to as the manager that has gone behind has. After that, I would cancel Tuchel's contract and give it to a positive manager. You don't need a top club manager but you need a brave one. Rooney might be worth a go for instance but whoever you choose you make it clear that gutless cowards need not apply. If we had lost doing that we would have accepted it.
Maybe the job forces negativity as it is too big. We were told Tuchel would not be like Southgate but yesterday I think Southgate may have reacted differently if he learned anything from 2018 and 2021. It may be annoying but if you go a goal up, opponents are going to react. To sit deep and play to their strengths is criminal. England can just F off until the next tournament as far as I am concerned. And Tuchel can just F off full stop!14 -
Agreed, rooney is not the answer except to the questions 'which ex england striker got caught out shagging a granny' and 'which ex england footballer gas spent longest in the UK crown court watching his missus on the stand' and im not even sure the last one's correct.2
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Disagree. That’s the closest we’ve been in forever and his decision to sit back has cost us. I genuinely believe that the majority of fans will be against him now and a lot will see it as unforgivable. It’s not as if the view that he made the wrong decision(s) is 50/50 among the footballing fraternity. Pretty much every respected former manager, player etc has highlighted how crazy it was to sit back and just 12% possession from when we scored was criminal. He needs to go.TD_Addick said:Tuchel got us to a semi final of a world cup and we was 5 min from a final, I don't think sacking him is the answer. The players have to take some blame for crumbling.13 -
And also the guy at the coffee stall in Westcombe Park agrees he should be sacked, so i din't know what England suits are waiting for.3
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Game changers for both teams.DennisBooth said:Argentinas subs won them the game. Our Subs lost us the game.2 -
Wayne Rooney’s Englandlordromford said:
I was with you until you said this. Sorry.MuttleyCAFC said:Had to sleep on that. I have never felt so let down an betrayed by a manager in my life. I was happy with the defensive display against Mexico as we were down to 10 men and playing with the odds against us. And indeed they lacked the offensive quality that Argentina possess. I didn't expect what I saw yesterday. After going up with lesss than 20 minutes of normal time to go, of course Argentina were going to change tactics and take risks. You have to accept it and see the opportunity in it. They are an average side overall but a top side if you let them attack you with impunity as England (Tuchel) did.
As a manager, you have to have the balls to react in a positive way. We were getting warnings as well and Tuchel decided to take off Gordon for Konsa and Rice for Burn.I don't blame the players, this sends entirely the wrong message to them. The ball kept coming back of course and the risk Argentina took in chasing the game became no risk at all. When you are playing a side like them, you are basically saying you are free to play to your strengths and we won't stop you.
What should Tuchel have done? Well Rashford should have been brought on and asked to play from the centre circle. That then occupies defenders and gives us an outlet. That is the bare minimum, Really he should have also kept Gordon on and if he had nothing left, probably Madueke. That would have pushed them back a bit and if it didn't we would have threatened them constantly on the break. You have to react to the situation, the manager who has gone behind has to as they are going out, the manager who has gone ahead has to as the manager that has gone behind has. After that, I would cancel Tuchel's contract and give it to a positive manager. You don't need a top club manager but you need a brave one. Rooney might be worth a go for instance but whoever you choose you make it clear that gutless cowards need not apply. If we had lost doing that we would have accepted it.
Maybe the job forces negativity as it is too big. We were told Tuchel would not be like Southgate but yesterday I think Southgate may have reacted differently if he learned anything from 2018 and 2021. It may be annoying but if you go a goal up, opponents are going to react. To sit deep and play to their strengths is criminal. England can just F off until the next tournament as far as I am concerned. And Tuchel can just F off full stop!0 -
Totally classless.sam3110 said:
I thought politicial statements were banned in tournaments and football?ValleyGary said:
This is what we lost too 🤢
Get the stupid little c***s thrown out on a technicality0 -
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They got fined years ago for the same thing, so they'll definitely get some punishment.North Lower Neil said:
We all know they'll get the square root of f**k all punishment though.Weegie Addick said:Hmmm. Wonder what sanction will be? Yet our fans can’t even bring in remembrance flags because it’s political?
It will be pretty meaningless though. They're in a world cup final, they're not going to give a shit at another fine.6 -
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It’s a third place play off.wolfgang said:Tuchel has achieved something that Southall never did in 10 years. Got England to a Final. The Bronze Final.
A final is the final match, which is on Sunday. You can’t have 2 finals in one competition. ’Bronze final’, wtf is that?
Besides, Southgate got us to 2 finals.
I’d love to see both managers one year just treat it as they should and play a second string team. Some decent players, like Olly Watkins and Mainoo, have been out there for 5 weeks, and deserve a match anyway. If Mainoo had replaced Rice, and Watkins or Rashford had come on for Gordon last night, we’d have probably won last night. I’m still so angry at Tuchel for completing ballsing it up.6 -
Contrary to press speculation we haven't been knocked out of the World Cup, we just can't win it. There's still the game against France and I'm going to treat that as our final.10
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Tuchel lost us that game.DennisBooth said:Argentinas subs won them the game. Our Subs lost us the game.
His explanation was bullshit as well. The players were naturally going defensive, so i put more defenders on to help them. Fuck off, you're paid millions to MANAGE them. You even had a hydration break to get them together and sort shit out and tell them what YOU wanted them to do. But no, you took off our only attacker with pace for a defender, which meant we had no outlet to go long to. Suicidal.
Digging in and defending worked against Mexico because we had to as were a man down and they are shit, you can't do the same against Messi.5 -
I meant Tuchel makes Southgate look like Ardiles, we were so passive and negative last night after we scored it was embarrassing.JohnBoyUK said:
At least Spurs created chances under Ossie FFS.cfgs said:Southgate didn't react to games ebbing away from us and was a bit defensive, these were my thoughts, but after last night he seemed like Ardiles in charge of Spurs.3 -
Maybe they can pay it out if the $300 million they have laundered through the American banks?Chunes said:FIFA will probably give them a £10,000 fine.1 -
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My wife should be ashamed? She’s brainwashed by her country?ValleyLocal said:
Stupid?jimmymelrose said:
I’ve been defending them but I agree with you, and my Argentinian wife thinks they're stupid too.Sword65pf said:
Happy to come and play and get paid in our country though, if that’s how they feel, fuck them off.DamoNorthStand said:
Pure total and utter scum.
When they won the tournament in 2022, Brighton had a great celebratory welcome back for Alexis MacAllister. He and other Argentinians have been treated with more than just respect. Now they should be made to feel ashamed of themselves, making nonsensical political statements against the people who pay their huge salaries and support them. I hope fans boo MacAlllister and Romero next season.
She should ashamed of them.
Let me guess, she's also been brainwashed by her government.
As stupid implies that they are wrong to wave the banner, but you know, they have a point.
Which they don't.
Pulling that stunt is a complete mockery of all the lives on both sides affected by a conflict started by a dictatorship simply to posture.
Even your wife thinks it's 'stupid'. Jesus. What a country.
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My point about Rooney was misunderstood. I used him as an example of the different way they need to think. The England job is not the same as a club job. What you need is a manager who has the balls to react to teams that take risks when we go ahead. It has cost us progression in the final stages in two world cups and one euros and it was the reason Tuchel replaced Southgate. Pep is not the answer. You only need to know a tiny bit about football to see droppping so deep was suicide. Why did Tuchel not at least try to do something to stop it?0
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Poor management and decision making once England took the lead. Argentina hit the post twice, the passive approach that worked against Mexico didn’t work this time.
Unpleasant though Argentina might be in many aspects, they deserved to win because they handled the football situation better than England.3 -
Tuchel bought his finishers on, and that finished us off.0
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The good news is HT is only 15 minutes.man_at_milletts said:Contrary to press speculation we haven't been knocked out of the World Cup, we just can't win it. There's still the game against France and I'm going to treat that as our final.0 -
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This has got a lol but it's spot on. I love Pickford. Best England GK in my lifetime without question, but this tournament he has not been as solid as usual and has been at fault for goals.LittleAddick said:
Pickford has had a poor tournament. Should have saved Croatia's first goal, Congo's goal, Norway's goal, and he's certainly not without blame for Fernandes' tonight, his positioning was all wrong and that's without the fact it came from a corner he shouldn't have given away. Too many instances for it to be bad luck for me.Sniffybadger said:Chunes said:
Pickford has been superb for England. I challenge anyone to name a more consistent goalkeeper for us since David Seaman.SoundAsa£ said:
Are you seriously blaming Pickford for those two goals…….you must be fucking mocking pal.😡Sniffybadger said:Also wtf happened to Pickford, those last two goals he was all over the place?! He’s lost his head completely. Harsh on Tuchel, I get the pelters on defence and I think his big mistake was putting Burn on. Yes he’s great in the last two but against technical teams he’s exposed, hugely, the old big English lad wasn’t the option in this game. We needed pace and counter threat but we had none so the Argies knew they could camp as we had no outputIs he consistent? He was, not sure he is now
As for the Seaman comment, again, at major moments he made crucial errors. Gave away a sloppy pen against Argentina in 98, and then got lobbed with Ronaldinho in 2002. We have a tendency to look back on GKs with rose tinted spectacles IMO.
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At least after that shit backs to the wall football we can get to the season and watch *checks notes* Nathan Jones’ Charlton Athletic1
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The players may well have started to back off before the subs but Tuchel reacted to that by bringing on 3 defenders.
He chose to contain and defend against the Argie pressure in our half, he could have decided to relieve and counter attack.
The inevitable happened.3 -
Tuchel was already unwanted by huge swathes of the fanbase because people dont want a foreign manager, let alone a German one.
I reckon after last night he's lost the support of everyone else, so it's in our best interests to get rid so that we can have a unified front next tournament. All starts with the nations league later this year.7 -
Not read thread but did any else equate to watching England post taking a lead to watching Charlton post taking a lead?
painful to watch. Got away with it v Mexico but said to the wife at 76 mins it won’t work as they have far more quality than Mexico. Argentina were 12/1 at that point.9
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