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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,865
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,335
    Chizz said:
    And I thought we were having it bad in the midlands 😮.

    The only thing hiding there is the greenery. 

    Here's my back garden and beyond. Been a while since we've seen any of the wet stuff. Not sure if we're officially in a drought here (Northants)
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,251
    swordfish said:
    Chizz said:
    And I thought we were having it bad in the midlands 😮.

    The only thing hiding there is the greenery. 

    Here's my back garden and beyond. Been a while since we've seen any of the wet stuff. Not sure if we're officially in a drought here (Northants)
    According to the Environment Agency map you are in a drought area  
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,335
    swordfish said:
    Chizz said:
    And I thought we were having it bad in the midlands 😮.

    The only thing hiding there is the greenery. 

    Here's my back garden and beyond. Been a while since we've seen any of the wet stuff. Not sure if we're officially in a drought here (Northants)
    According to the Environment Agency map you are in a drought area  
    Thanks. Not surprising. Lived here for twenty three years and never seen it tinder dry like this. Worrying. 
  • All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,335
    All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
    Even the weeds are having a hard time of it this year!
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,251
    All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
    It usually does come back, but I've never known the grass to be so crispy & crunchy to walk on. It's going to take a lot of rain to get things back to 'normal'. The ground is so hard that much of it will just run off, it needs sustained rain for a long time.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,251
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70gk2dl5jyo

    A map of the drought areas shown in the linked article.
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,978
    All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
    It usually does come back, but I've never known the grass to be so crispy & crunchy to walk on. It's going to take a lot of rain to get things back to 'normal'. The ground is so hard that much of it will just run off, it needs sustained rain for a long time.
    The gardening video I watched last night reckoned grass survives 4 to 6 weeks without water.  If you pull out a little stem and it is white where the stem meets the roots then it is alive. If it is brown and crispy .....
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,913
    Heavy snow in Losotho ! .. it is their winter, but even so

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  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,251
    Hex said:
    All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
    It usually does come back, but I've never known the grass to be so crispy & crunchy to walk on. It's going to take a lot of rain to get things back to 'normal'. The ground is so hard that much of it will just run off, it needs sustained rain for a long time.
    The gardening video I watched last night reckoned grass survives 4 to 6 weeks without water.  If you pull out a little stem and it is white where the stem meets the roots then it is alive. If it is brown and crispy .....
    Oh dear, doesn't sound too good for the grass. Hopefully the weeds will make it greener when we get some rain!
     
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,978
    edited August 10
    @ME14addick 's post describing one type of thunderstorm was good but there are other types.  Again, usually with a spanish plume, storms can be generated by the unstable air, often over northern France and imported across the channel.  These don't clear the air.  The most spectacular are when this type meet a different air mass.  You can also get thunderstorms where an unstable air mass moves over the top of stable air causing a dramatic lightning display but little thunder or rain.  A new one on me was 'thunderstorms' caused by wild fires.

    Thunderstorms can also be split into single cell (a few flashes, a gap, a few more flashes, a gap .... repeat, repeat) and super cells which are continuous and in extreme circumstances can spawn tornadoes.

    If you've got this far you may be interested in this short video which answers the question; Does lightning go down, up or sideways ?

    https://youtu.be/TlLheyt0WxI?is=2FZUruoQxn8idwnV
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,865
    Hex said:
    All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
    It usually does come back, but I've never known the grass to be so crispy & crunchy to walk on. It's going to take a lot of rain to get things back to 'normal'. The ground is so hard that much of it will just run off, it needs sustained rain for a long time.
    The gardening video I watched last night reckoned grass survives 4 to 6 weeks without water.  If you pull out a little stem and it is white where the stem meets the roots then it is alive. If it is brown and crispy .....
    If the roots look healthy when you pull them out like that, make sure you put them back in, in exactly the same holes you took them out of. 
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,978
    Hex said:
    All the gardening programs say don't worry about the grass it always comes back. 

    I'm not so sure though.  After 6/7 weeks of this there might be a run on grass seed in September.
    It usually does come back, but I've never known the grass to be so crispy & crunchy to walk on. It's going to take a lot of rain to get things back to 'normal'. The ground is so hard that much of it will just run off, it needs sustained rain for a long time.
    The gardening video I watched last night reckoned grass survives 4 to 6 weeks without water.  If you pull out a little stem and it is white where the stem meets the roots then it is alive. If it is brown and crispy .....
    Oh dear, doesn't sound too good for the grass. Hopefully the weeds will make it greener when we get some rain!
     
    The current estimate for the southern half of England is 1-3% moisture content down to 1 metre.  It's going to take a lot of rain and no hot sunshine to rectify that situation.  Expectations are that for the next few days, the combination of high temperatures, very low humidity and gusty winds as well as plenty of 'fuel' will make the wildfire risk extreme.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,694
    Wonder if the threshold for calling a bout of hot weather a Heatwave will go up as the average temperature rises. 
     
    Some of the satellite photos of the country are pretty scary. 

    Have also noticed that the birds are missing from my garden between 10am to 4pm  when the temperature reaches 35 degrees wondering if that is a known issue or just what birds do.
    I'm pretty sure it already does. If I remember correctly it's regional within the UK and + X degrees above the average temperature in that region from the last decade. So it's constantly increasing the threshold yet we are surpassing it faster and further and more frequently.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,251
    Wonder if the threshold for calling a bout of hot weather a Heatwave will go up as the average temperature rises. 
     
    Some of the satellite photos of the country are pretty scary. 

    Have also noticed that the birds are missing from my garden between 10am to 4pm  when the temperature reaches 35 degrees wondering if that is a known issue or just what birds do.
    I'm pretty sure it already does. If I remember correctly it's regional within the UK and + X degrees above the average temperature in that region from the last decade. So it's constantly increasing the threshold yet we are surpassing it faster and further and more frequently.
    They are. 

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2026/uk-heatwaves-how-the-records-tell-a-changing-story
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,299
    I really hope we fast track building more resorvoirs to store water during the winter months. It's going to be needed in the future
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,629
    I really hope we fast track building more resorvoirs to store water during the winter months. It's going to be needed in the future
    Thames Water will pay shareholders dividends before they invest in much needed infrastructure 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,251
    I really hope we fast track building more resorvoirs to store water during the winter months. It's going to be needed in the future
    Thames Water will pay shareholders dividends before they invest in much needed infrastructure 
    They've just paid their Chief Exec a £1million signing on bonus. 
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,978
    Wonder if the threshold for calling a bout of hot weather a Heatwave will go up as the average temperature rises. 
     
    Some of the satellite photos of the country are pretty scary. 

    Have also noticed that the birds are missing from my garden between 10am to 4pm  when the temperature reaches 35 degrees wondering if that is a known issue or just what birds do.
    I'm pretty sure it already does. If I remember correctly it's regional within the UK and + X degrees above the average temperature in that region from the last decade. So it's constantly increasing the threshold yet we are surpassing it faster and further and more frequently.
    They are. 

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2026/uk-heatwaves-how-the-records-tell-a-changing-story
    Weather averages are calculated over the previous 3 decades, starting on a 1, so currently 1991-2020.  These will be updated with 2001-2030 when we enter 2031.

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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,694
    I really hope we fast track building more resorvoirs to store water during the winter months. It's going to be needed in the future
    Also the key to renewable energy storage at scale. 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 30,056
    Wonder if the threshold for calling a bout of hot weather a Heatwave will go up as the average temperature rises. 
     
    Some of the satellite photos of the country are pretty scary. 

    Have also noticed that the birds are missing from my garden between 10am to 4pm  when the temperature reaches 35 degrees wondering if that is a known issue or just what birds do.
    Just like us, and practically all animals, birds don't like it when they get too hot. There's a number of things they can do to keep as cool as they can, two of the most important are pretty obvious: stay out of direct sunlight and avoid flapping wings which creates mechanical heat. As a result many will simply hide themselves away. As warm-blooded creatures, a good chunk of their dietary energy is spent on keeping warm - at least, when it's cold. When it's this hot, they simply don't require as much energy to survive and so don't need to spend as much time foraging or hunting. So yes, I think the weather is having a big affect on their behaviour.

    That said, it's usually a crap time of year to see birds anyway as a result of their lifecycles. Adult birds literally run themselves ragged in the spring with their nest building and care of the little ones. They often need to take several weeks out of action to rejuvenate their feathers. In particuar, those that migrate are starting to plan for some pretty big journeys in the coming weeks, a major part of that is resting up. So, whilst I'm pretty sure the extreme weather is taking its toll, it's not the only reason for the lack of bird activity. 
  • I really hope we fast track building more resorvoirs to store water during the winter months. It's going to be needed in the future
    Thames has not built a reservoir since Farmoor B in 1977. A replacement scheme proposed around 2010 was rejected after the company failed to make its case successfully, and Weston (Thames CEO) believes the region would not be facing a hosepipe ban today had it been approved.

    The proposed Whitehorse reservoir near Abingdon remains in the planning process and is not expected to begin filling until 2038, with another three years needed before it reaches capacity.

    Population growth, government housebuilding targets and the rapid expansion of data centres will place even greater pressure on supplies. Weston questions whether data centres should rely on drinking water for cooling, suggesting treated effluent from sewage works could provide an alternative. He also says households will need to become more mindful of how they use water, with government playing a greater role in encouraging behavioural change.
  • Redskin
    Redskin Posts: 3,212
    Dansk_Red said:
    I read an interesting article which quoted the that the UK & Spanish Met Offices stating that part of the cause of the excess heat is down to cleaner air. 
    A very small part I understand, but the main driver is an increase in greenhouse gases. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has gone up by 50% since the Industrial Revolution 
    And what is the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,540
    The climate is definitely changing. I can't understand those that deny it. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 51,691
    The climate is definitely changing. I can't understand those that deny it. 
    There are those that deny it because they have an agenda to support the fossil fuel industries like Farage, Tice and Trump and there are those that are just plain stupid. 
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,629
    Another aspect of the atmosphere warming is the increase in moderate/severe turbulence when flying.  I am ok with turbulence but I know lots of people who are uncomfortable. 
    As aviation causes quite a lot of pollution it might be the atmosphere way of saying fly less
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,629
    The climate is definitely changing. I can't understand those that deny it. 
    People who deny the obvious change in the weather in our lifetime are clearly delusional. 
    Yes some may be associated with natural periods of warming and cooling, but that happens over geological time, not a human lifetime.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,865
    Redskin said:
    Dansk_Red said:
    I read an interesting article which quoted the that the UK & Spanish Met Offices stating that part of the cause of the excess heat is down to cleaner air. 
    A very small part I understand, but the main driver is an increase in greenhouse gases. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has gone up by 50% since the Industrial Revolution 
    And what is the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?
    This is an important question, because the amount of a gas in the atmosphere is directly proportionate to its hazardous effect.  

    So, before we look at the ppm (parts per million) of CO2, it's worth looking at other gases and the amount which would be hazardous to human health.  

    Hydrogen Sulphide would kill you due to respiratory arrest at 100ppm 
    Hydrogen Cyanide would kill you due to cellular asphyxiation at 50ppm 
    Chlorine Gas would kill you due to severe respiratory tract corrosion at 10ppm 
    Phosgene would kill you, due to delayed pulmonary oedema at 2ppm 

    CO2 is roughly 430ppm
  • Hex
    Hex Posts: 1,978
    edited August 11
    If anyone is interested in more information about the wildfire risk go to the link below and scroll down to the (long) post by WeatherArc.
    https://community.netweather.tv/topic/102666-model-and-forecast-commentary-summer-2026/page/303/