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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 23,939
    edited September 27
    Apparently if Archer’s throw hadn’t been fast and accurate enough to remove the stump from the ground, it would’ve been not out?
    This seems crazy to me. The batter was so far out of his crease, it seems wrong that you could hit the stumps hard enough to move them significantly, but not enough to remove one from the ground, yet a man a good two feet short would be not out because the wicket keeper accidentally nudged the bails before the ball came in.

    I guess it’s to encourage keepers to be careful not to dislodge the bails, but in this instance it would’ve been somewhat ludicrous.
    The rule is about breaking the wicket though and with no bails you can’t break the wicket by moving a stump. If Archer had fizzed it to Cox he would have to have been holding the ball while he knocks the stump out the ground. 

    Just hitting the stump would be the same as hitting a stump and not knocking a bail off, deeply unlucky but that’s the rule 
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 8,829
    fenaddick said:
    Apparently if Archer’s throw hadn’t been fast and accurate enough to remove the stump from the ground, it would’ve been not out?
    This seems crazy to me. The batter was so far out of his crease, it seems wrong that you could hit the stumps hard enough to move them significantly, but not enough to remove one from the ground, yet a man a good two feet short would be not out because the wicket keeper accidentally nudged the bails before the ball came in.

    I guess it’s to encourage keepers to be careful not to dislodge the bails, but in this instance it would’ve been somewhat ludicrous.
    The rule is about breaking the wicket though and with no bails you can’t break the wicket by moving a stump. If Archer had fizzed it to Cox he would have to have been holding the ball while he knocks the stump out the ground. 

    Just hitting the stump would be the same as hitting a stump and not knocking a bail off, deeply unlucky but that’s the rule 
    Yeah, I know, but I think the spirit of the game got lost here.
    When you look at today’s incident, the law says what it says, and you’re right it would’ve been unlucky, but not in the same way as when a ball hits the stump but doesn’t dislodge the bail - That’s unlucky, today it would’ve also been unjust. In the spirit of the game, you can’t tell me that runner should be called in.
    Back in the day, you’d hope the batter would walk, because it’s the right thing to do. Today the Sri Lankans were still arguing about it after the decision of out had been confirmed. This isn’t a dig at Sri Lanka by the way, I suspect most teams might have done the same, but it disappoints me because that’s the way the game has gone.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 5,115
    Cricket has laws not rules..
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 5,115
    Steven81 said:
    Gotta have cox as test keeper now his keeping to spinners is another level to smith.
    Jordan Cox, Sam Billings and Ollie Robinson came through the Kent system and were all coached by Ray Willis there. Had Ollie Robinson played when he was flown out to NZ then that would have been three England keepers Ray would have coached. 
    In the finest traditions of Kent cricket going back to Hopper Levett,Les Ames,Godfrey Evans, Alan knott,Paul Downton and Steve Marsh and the bloke from Australia who became English 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    lolwray said:
    Steven81 said:
    Gotta have cox as test keeper now his keeping to spinners is another level to smith.
    Jordan Cox, Sam Billings and Ollie Robinson came through the Kent system and were all coached by Ray Willis there. Had Ollie Robinson played when he was flown out to NZ then that would have been three England keepers Ray would have coached. 
    In the finest traditions of Kent cricket going back to Hopper Levett,Les Ames,Godfrey Evans, Alan knott,Paul Downton and Steve Marsh and the bloke from Australia who became English 
    Who ended up playing for his country of birth, Papua New Guinea. 
  • Despite the rip-off prices when compared to previous years, I wasn't successful in the Edgbaston Ashes ballot, suggesting Warks got away with it.
  • Despite the rip-off prices when compared to previous years, I wasn't successful in the Edgbaston Ashes ballot, suggesting Warks got away with it.
    Same, four of us got offered variations on ODI/women's ODI tickets.

    Although we were all torn whether to go for it if we were successful - signed up before the prices came up.  At least this made the decision for us.
  • PeterGage
    PeterGage Posts: 1,849
    @Addick Addict  - advice please.

    In one of the earlier ODIs against Sri Lanka, the following occurred. Atkinson facing, the ball his part of his body and flew between 3rd slip and gully, towards the vacant 3rd man. Atkinson took off for the run (and may be more). Sri L appealed for leg before and the umpire agreed, stopping Atkinson in his tracks. The review showed the ball missing the stumps and Atkinson remained as the batsman. However, the whole situation meant the Atkinson was not credited with any runs, which he would have lawfully gained, had there had been no appeal. This seems fundamentally wrong to me. Please clarify for me. Thanks
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    PeterGage said:
    @Addick Addict  - advice please.

    In one of the earlier ODIs against Sri Lanka, the following occurred. Atkinson facing, the ball his part of his body and flew between 3rd slip and gully, towards the vacant 3rd man. Atkinson took off for the run (and may be more). Sri L appealed for leg before and the umpire agreed, stopping Atkinson in his tracks. The review showed the ball missing the stumps and Atkinson remained as the batsman. However, the whole situation meant the Atkinson was not credited with any runs, which he would have lawfully gained, had there had been no appeal. This seems fundamentally wrong to me. Please clarify for me. Thanks
    I've actually raised this issue before on here because four legitimate leg byes were "scored" but an on-field LBW decision disallowed those and that meant the difference between winning and losing a game. To me, the umpire should not be making that decision until such time as a run or runs have been completed. If the umpire then gives the batter out LBW then those runs should be disallowed. 

    The argument, I suppose, is that as there is no review system below the professional game, a decision should not take that long to be given and there is the chance that a "run out" might occur even though a player is out LBW. In that scenario, though, an LBW decision should over-ride the run out and all runs be disallowed.

    To vindicate my view that umpires should wait to make an LBW decision, there is, of course, one scenario where the Laws dictate that umpires do not immediately call "dead ball" and that is the case of "no shot played". The umpire does not call "dead ball" until the run is completed - any run out would count but the runs would not because the batter wasn't playing a shot. One would also have to accept, though, that a batter could be run out even though they were taking evasive action because the ball would still be dead.  

    This has all only come about because of VAR. There are plenty of occasions, every year in fact, where Laws are changed because the game has done so too. Surely this one such case where it should and then all forms of the game would be on a level playing field. 


  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 11,238
    ODI squad for the Pakistan and Sri Lanka tri series 

    Harry Brook (Yorkshire – captain)
    Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
    Sonny Baker (Hampshire)
    Tom Banton (Somerset)
    James Coles (Sussex)
    Jordan Cox (Essex)
    Mason Crane (Glamorgan)
    Henry Crocombe (Sussex)
    Sam Curran (Surrey)
    Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
    Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
    Will Jacks (Surrey)
    Jamie Overton (Surrey)
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
    Joe Root (Yorkshire)
    Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)

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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    Reehan Ahmed being left out for is fairly significant. Unlike the five spinners that have been selected, he doesn't, yet, have the control with the ball and/or isn't a consistent enough batter to warrant inclusion. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 11,238
    Reehan Ahmed being left out for is fairly significant. Unlike the five spinners that have been selected, he doesn't, yet, have the control with the ball and/or isn't a consistent enough batter to warrant inclusion. 
    Does make me wonder who will go to Bangladesh spinner wise if Rehan is starting to fall out of favour. The podcasts all love Calvin Harrison as the man to go there. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    MarcusH26 said:
    Reehan Ahmed being left out for is fairly significant. Unlike the five spinners that have been selected, he doesn't, yet, have the control with the ball and/or isn't a consistent enough batter to warrant inclusion. 
    Does make me wonder who will go to Bangladesh spinner wise if Rehan is starting to fall out of favour. The podcasts all love Calvin Harrison as the man to go there. 
    The times that I've seen him, Calvin Harrison has bowled well and he can bat too. Not sure whether his numerous DJ commitments will prevent him from touring! 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 53,426
    Reehan Ahmed being left out for is fairly significant. Unlike the five spinners that have been selected, he doesn't, yet, have the control with the ball and/or isn't a consistent enough batter to warrant inclusion. 
    He looked a fair bit overweight to me in his last game.
    He had a standard c & b opportunity low down, but was too fat and slow to catch the ball (imo).
  • PeterGage
    PeterGage Posts: 1,849
    PeterGage said:
    @Addick Addict  - advice please.

    In one of the earlier ODIs against Sri Lanka, the following occurred. Atkinson facing, the ball his part of his body and flew between 3rd slip and gully, towards the vacant 3rd man. Atkinson took off for the run (and may be more). Sri L appealed for leg before and the umpire agreed, stopping Atkinson in his tracks. The review showed the ball missing the stumps and Atkinson remained as the batsman. However, the whole situation meant the Atkinson was not credited with any runs, which he would have lawfully gained, had there had been no appeal. This seems fundamentally wrong to me. Please clarify for me. Thanks
    I've actually raised this issue before on here because four legitimate leg byes were "scored" but an on-field LBW decision disallowed those and that meant the difference between winning and losing a game. To me, the umpire should not be making that decision until such time as a run or runs have been completed. If the umpire then gives the batter out LBW then those runs should be disallowed. 

    The argument, I suppose, is that as there is no review system below the professional game, a decision should not take that long to be given and there is the chance that a "run out" might occur even though a player is out LBW. In that scenario, though, an LBW decision should over-ride the run out and all runs be disallowed.

    To vindicate my view that umpires should wait to make an LBW decision, there is, of course, one scenario where the Laws dictate that umpires do not immediately call "dead ball" and that is the case of "no shot played". The umpire does not call "dead ball" until the run is completed - any run out would count but the runs would not because the batter wasn't playing a shot. One would also have to accept, though, that a batter could be run out even though they were taking evasive action because the ball would still be dead.  

    This has all only come about because of VAR. There are plenty of occasions, every year in fact, where Laws are changed because the game has done so too. Surely this one such case where it should and then all forms of the game would be on a level playing field. 


    Thanks for your response
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,940
    Avoiding India and Australia is a good result
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    Whatever the criticism regarding the selection of Nic Maddison for the Australian Test squad (and you only have to read what some former players think of that to realise it is far from popular), from a humanity perspective and a lesson to others to get themselves checked out, it really is a great story that he has gone from being diagnosed with testicular cancer 18 months ago to playing cricket again yet alone for Australia. 

    "Once I found out I had to have chemo, that was pretty hard to deal with. It had spread to parts of my abdominal lymph nodes and lung. That was a bit where it was pretty daunting."

    Maddinson's wife Bianca was also pregnant with their second child when he began chemotherapy and had to quit her job as a dentist to look after their toddler son while Maddinson underwent treatment.

    "By the second or third week, I lost all my hair. I was feeling pretty average. I was taking types of steroids to manage side effects, but they would keep me up at night. I'd be at the hospital from about 11am to 4pm. Then a sleep. Then I'd force myself to have dinner. I'd sleep until about 1am, but sometimes I'd then be awake until 6am. I found that difficult. I was super drained and felt like I had to sleep 24/7.

    "I felt guilty. I couldn't do anything around the house."

    It would really be fantastic if he was able to prove the doubters wrong but, even if he doesn't, somehow I think he'll be alright about that. Life and death really are more serious than football sport.

  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    According to Cricinfo, Bashir is going to be given another central contract. Played two Tests in the last 12 months for his last one and he didn't bowl in one of those. For Derbyshire, in Division 2 this season, he took 24 wickets at 47.70 and averaged 4.55 with the bat. What has he done to earn this new contract?


  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,988
    Maybe he's an exceptional fielder

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  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,642
    According to Cricinfo, Bashir is going to be given another central contract. Played two Tests in the last 12 months for his last one and he didn't bowl in one of those. For Derbyshire, in Division 2 this season, he took 24 wickets at 47.70 and averaged 4.55 with the bat. What has he done to earn this new contract?


    hope not
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 23,939
    According to Cricinfo, Bashir is going to be given another central contract. Played two Tests in the last 12 months for his last one and he didn't bowl in one of those. For Derbyshire, in Division 2 this season, he took 24 wickets at 47.70 and averaged 4.55 with the bat. What has he done to earn this new contract?


    Would possibly make sense at a push if we were playing tests in the subcontinent in the next year but we aren't. I presume they want to give a test contract to a spinner and no one has forced their hand to change who it goes to. I do agree it's a bit mad though and I think I probably root for Bashir more than the average person
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 73,497
    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/4395907/ecb-announces-updated-england-mens-central-contract-list-for-202526

    Stokes and Brydon Carse were both given 2 year central contracts last year. I assume Stokes has exited his now?

    Zak and Pope will lose theirs, it will be interesting what deals Gay, Cox and Lawrence will get.

    Will Rehan keep his, seeing that he seems out of favour? 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 23,939
    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/4395907/ecb-announces-updated-england-mens-central-contract-list-for-202526

    Stokes and Brydon Carse were both given 2 year central contracts last year. I assume Stokes has exited his now?

    Zak and Pope will lose theirs, it will be interesting what deals Gay, Cox and Lawrence will get.

    Will Rehan keep his, seeing that he seems out of favour? 
    Rehan reportedly will keep his. Wood has also retired which frees up money. There will probably be more centrally contracted players than there were 12 months ago
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    edited October 7
    fenaddick said:
    According to Cricinfo, Bashir is going to be given another central contract. Played two Tests in the last 12 months for his last one and he didn't bowl in one of those. For Derbyshire, in Division 2 this season, he took 24 wickets at 47.70 and averaged 4.55 with the bat. What has he done to earn this new contract?


    Would possibly make sense at a push if we were playing tests in the subcontinent in the next year but we aren't. I presume they want to give a test contract to a spinner and no one has forced their hand to change who it goes to. I do agree it's a bit mad though and I think I probably root for Bashir more than the average person
    England do have two Tests in Bangladesh in February. That really isn't justification, though, to give Bashir a 12-month central contract. This would have been an opportunity to pit him against a couple of other spinners, who also wouldn't be contracted, on a level playing field.
  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,219
    Just picked up 2 ODI tickets for Pakistan at Southampton next year through the ballot, nothing for Australia available to me only the Pakistan ODI, £65 each so not too bad, not heard anything back from the oval or lords ballots so assume I've missed out on those.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 11,313
    fenaddick said:
    According to Cricinfo, Bashir is going to be given another central contract. Played two Tests in the last 12 months for his last one and he didn't bowl in one of those. For Derbyshire, in Division 2 this season, he took 24 wickets at 47.70 and averaged 4.55 with the bat. What has he done to earn this new contract?


    Would possibly make sense at a push if we were playing tests in the subcontinent in the next year but we aren't. I presume they want to give a test contract to a spinner and no one has forced their hand to change who it goes to. I do agree it's a bit mad though and I think I probably root for Bashir more than the average person
    The problem with your last sentence is that bashir is very average at county level, let alone test level
  • RedPanda
    RedPanda Posts: 5,122
    Just picked up 2 ODI tickets for Pakistan at Southampton next year through the ballot, nothing for Australia available to me only the Pakistan ODI, £65 each so not too bad, not heard anything back from the oval or lords ballots so assume I've missed out on those.
    Lords and The Oval haven't been drawn yet. 

    I had minor pre-access via We Are England for the three other tests. Even then they were already showing as sold out and I didn't get anything. I guess host county members get to buy a lot, then a small number go to public ballot. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,858
    edited October 9
    Whatever the criticism regarding the selection of Nic Maddinson for the Australian Test squad (and you only have to read what some former players think of that to realise it is far from popular), from a humanity perspective and a lesson to others to get themselves checked out, it really is a great story that he has gone from being diagnosed with testicular cancer 18 months ago to playing cricket again yet alone for Australia. 

    "Once I found out I had to have chemo, that was pretty hard to deal with. It had spread to parts of my abdominal lymph nodes and lung. That was a bit where it was pretty daunting."

    Maddinson's wife Bianca was also pregnant with their second child when he began chemotherapy and had to quit her job as a dentist to look after their toddler son while Maddinson underwent treatment.

    "By the second or third week, I lost all my hair. I was feeling pretty average. I was taking types of steroids to manage side effects, but they would keep me up at night. I'd be at the hospital from about 11am to 4pm. Then a sleep. Then I'd force myself to have dinner. I'd sleep until about 1am, but sometimes I'd then be awake until 6am. I found that difficult. I was super drained and felt like I had to sleep 24/7.

    "I felt guilty. I couldn't do anything around the house."

    It would really be fantastic if he was able to prove the doubters wrong but, even if he doesn't, somehow I think he'll be alright about that. Life and death really are more serious than football sport.

    The knives were out for Maddinson once his selection had been made known and they will have been well and truly sharpened following his innings today. A naturally aggressive batter, he looked like someone who hadn't played any form of red ball for 18 months in making a 33-ball duck. That also included a negative LBW decision that wasn't reviewed by South Africa for a ball that was hitting the stumps.

    Australia are currently 100-4 and in a touch of bother with Maddinson, Head, Labuschagne and Smith all back in the hutch. They are also back to their, tried and tested, bowling attack of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon who now have an average age of 36. In fact, Australia do not have a player under the age of 30 (and only Renshaw is under 32) in their XI with an average age of almost 35. 


  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 24,345
    Whatever the criticism regarding the selection of Nic Maddinson for the Australian Test squad (and you only have to read what some former players think of that to realise it is far from popular), from a humanity perspective and a lesson to others to get themselves checked out, it really is a great story that he has gone from being diagnosed with testicular cancer 18 months ago to playing cricket again yet alone for Australia. 

    "Once I found out I had to have chemo, that was pretty hard to deal with. It had spread to parts of my abdominal lymph nodes and lung. That was a bit where it was pretty daunting."

    Maddinson's wife Bianca was also pregnant with their second child when he began chemotherapy and had to quit her job as a dentist to look after their toddler son while Maddinson underwent treatment.

    "By the second or third week, I lost all my hair. I was feeling pretty average. I was taking types of steroids to manage side effects, but they would keep me up at night. I'd be at the hospital from about 11am to 4pm. Then a sleep. Then I'd force myself to have dinner. I'd sleep until about 1am, but sometimes I'd then be awake until 6am. I found that difficult. I was super drained and felt like I had to sleep 24/7.

    "I felt guilty. I couldn't do anything around the house."

    It would really be fantastic if he was able to prove the doubters wrong but, even if he doesn't, somehow I think he'll be alright about that. Life and death really are more serious than football sport.

    The knives were out for Maddinson once his selection had been made known and they will have been well and truly sharpened following his innings today. A naturally aggressive batter, he looked like someone who hadn't played any form of red ball for 18 months in making a 33-ball duck. That also included a negative LBW decision that wasn't reviewed by South Africa for a ball that was hitting the stumps.

    Australia are currently 100-4 and in a touch of bother with Maddinson, Head, Labuschagne and Smith all back in the hutch. They are also back to their, tried and tested, bowling attack of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon who now have an average age of 36. In fact, Australia do not have a player under the age of 30 (and only Renshaw is under 32) in their XI with an average age of almost 35. 


    Their current issues makes last winter that much more galling - they aren't great, we were just even worse.