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MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Bristol City : Saturday 10th October 2026 : KO 12:30

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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 24,968
    fenaddick said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    While you’re right it’s been 4231 there’s been at least one game where Grants average position was more advanced than Leaburn 
    That's probably because Leaburn wasn't getting service so drops deeper, and is also the man to drop deep to be the target on goal kicks. He also comes back for set pieces. 

    When lined up off the ball Grant would be a good 5-10 yards deeper than Leaburn
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,922
    Good to see Koumetio & Edwards back but has Koumetio played any under 21 games ? Also with Josh being out for a year would rather have seen him eased into things off the bench for a few games. Still Jones sees them everyday so hopefully things turn out fine
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 6,597
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 24,968
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
  • TheHerminator
    TheHerminator Posts: 1,566
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    Here he is. Belittling people again.

    good to be back ain’t it 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 24,968
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    Here he is. Belittling people again.

    good to be back ain’t it 
    Belittling haha ok mate sure
  • Great to see Billy K back - still no Chalobah?
    He'll be back in October. Not sure which year.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 12,087
    Good to see Edwards back but feel a bit for Mesik, hasn't really put a foot wrong.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 6,597
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    Here he is. Belittling people again.

    good to be back ain’t it 
    Belittling haha ok mate sure
    There’s very little difference between the systems , especially in defence , which we spend most of our time doing . 
  • CAFC_boi
    CAFC_boi Posts: 465
    Interesting line up - either going to be amazing or awful, let’s find out … 

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 15,280
    I actually didn't miss this, can we extend the international break for another week?
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 24,968
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    Here he is. Belittling people again.

    good to be back ain’t it 
    Belittling haha ok mate sure
    There’s very little difference between the systems , especially in defence , which we spend most of our time doing . 
    Ok sure, I'm talking about nuances between formations and as I have explained already, when you boil it down almost all formations are basically the same.

    But your point that we've been playing 442 beforehand for a number of weeks, isn't correct.

    If you ask NJ or any of the players what formation we line up in, they'll all tell you it's a 4231, if you ask pundits, journalists, scouts and football coaches what formation Charlton use, they'll tell you the same. 

    Sorry if that comes across as demeaning or belittling, but it's not, it's simply pointing to the facts
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 29,543
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    There were always lots of different types of "4-4-2" back in the day. Believe it or not, not every team set up in exactly the same way.

    Then along came more sophisticated computer games and everyone now thinks they're a tactical revolutionary genius, and nobody had any idea in "the old days".
  • CAFC_boi said:
    Interesting line up - either going to be amazing or awful, let’s find out … 
    True. But let's be honest, the 4 2 3 1 hasn't really worked in recent weeks and was a disaster last week.

    Lets try something different.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 14,320
    Talal said:
    Good to see Edwards back but feel a bit for Mesik, hasn't really put a foot wrong.
    Mesik must be buggered after playing for Croatia and Slovenia's U16, U18, U21 and senior sides in the last three weeks.

    The poor boy needs a rest.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 14,320
    Afternoon everyone



    Football's back ... oh joy of joys.

    I'd got quite used to the last few weeks  ...
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 45,294
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    Back to Basics!

    (Thanks, Curbs) 😁 



  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 14,320
    Oggy Red said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    Back to Basics!

    (Thanks, Curbs) 😁 



    Plenty of shots!

    (Preferably on target)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 73,411
    Love the faith that Jones has in Micah to throw him into the eleven so soon, must have impressed over the break
    Cant see this simply being a bit of gamesmanship over the Contract discussions either.
    Mbick signs the new contract at half time, and is immediately subbed off before the ink is dry to bring another defender on.
  • I read it as Micah playing as a 10, and I don't mind it. Really attacking, and that defence looks solid AF. 
    Can't wait to see how Josh fares over 60 minutes or so, it's great to have him back.
    COYR!

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  • I actually didn't miss this, can we extend the international break for another week?
    Agreed. If we don’t play we can’t lose. Much better for my mood!
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 6,597
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    Here he is. Belittling people again.

    good to be back ain’t it 
    Belittling haha ok mate sure
    There’s very little difference between the systems , especially in defence , which we spend most of our time doing . 
    Ok sure, I'm talking about nuances between formations and as I have explained already, when you boil it down almost all formations are basically the same.

    But your point that we've been playing 442 beforehand for a number of weeks, isn't correct.

    If you ask NJ or any of the players what formation we line up in, they'll all tell you it's a 4231, if you ask pundits, journalists, scouts and football coaches what formation Charlton use, they'll tell you the same. 

    Sorry if that comes across as demeaning or belittling, but it's not, it's simply pointing to the facts
    I didn’t say it was demeaning or belittling .  You made your point, I stand by mine . 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 28,596
    Goals are us… 3-0 up and coming 👌
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 24,968
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Steven81 said:
    The old 442 formula don't actually mind it tbh.
    We’ve been playing that for weeks 
    No we haven't, it's always been a 4231 with whoever is in the 10 playing significantly deeper than the striker, even when that player was Grant
    It’s basically the same thing.  Even back in the day, the centre forwards didn’t stand next to each other .  
    So a 442 would be a much flatter midfield 4 with the wide midfielders attacking and defending in equal measures. A 4231 has 2 deeper midfielders and someone operating ahead of them in the centre of the park, with 2 more advanced wingers pushing up and supporting the lone striker.

    It's not "basically" the same thing, otherwise all formations are "basically" the same thing as they all feature a goalkeeper, 10 outfield players and some of them are defenders and some are attackers 
    Here he is. Belittling people again.

    good to be back ain’t it 
    Belittling haha ok mate sure
    There’s very little difference between the systems , especially in defence , which we spend most of our time doing . 
    Ok sure, I'm talking about nuances between formations and as I have explained already, when you boil it down almost all formations are basically the same.

    But your point that we've been playing 442 beforehand for a number of weeks, isn't correct.

    If you ask NJ or any of the players what formation we line up in, they'll all tell you it's a 4231, if you ask pundits, journalists, scouts and football coaches what formation Charlton use, they'll tell you the same. 

    Sorry if that comes across as demeaning or belittling, but it's not, it's simply pointing to the facts
    I didn’t say it was demeaning or belittling .  You made your point, I stand by mine . 
    I know you didn't mate, someone else did, all good here 👍🏻
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 45,294
    Talal said:
    Good to see Edwards back but feel a bit for Mesik, hasn't really put a foot wrong.
    Starters and finishers!

    Possibly Mesik for the last 30 minutes?

    Even NJ is surely wary of thrashing Edwards too much, to soon?


  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 14,320
    Goals are us… 3-0 up and coming 👌
    Is that your prediction for today or our aggregate score over the next couple of weeks?
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 28,596
    Goals are us… 3-0 up and coming 👌
    Is that your prediction for today or our aggregate score over the next couple of weeks?
    Oh ye of little faith…😉
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 14,320
    Goals are us… 3-0 up and coming 👌
    Is that your prediction for today or our aggregate score over the next couple of weeks?
    Oh ye of little faith…😉
    Guilty as charged, your honour.

    The defence calls no witnesses.
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 6,178
    Following from high in Andean Argentina! COYA!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 73,411
    Did Bell play for Jamaica, as he's also unlucky not to play? Suddenly we have lots of left sided options.

    I imagine Edwards will be rested on Tuesday  
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