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Nathan Jones speculation - Cawley says indications are no chance Jones going to Cardiff (p20)
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Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.7 -
ShudderBraziliance said:
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Powell and Jones were external appointments though.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.0 -
Obviously. The point being made was clearly that we only do well when a manager has a previous connection to Charlton.Belv said:
14 years ago.The Red Robin said:
…coached under Sir Chris Powell at Charlton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.It was an external appointment.0 -
Caution - I feel obliged to mention Pardew.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.6 -
A minor blip. 😅 …as was Les Reed.Airman Brown said:
Caution - I feel obliged to mention Pardew.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.0 -
Okay splitting hairs now I see over internal/external. Lets say Charlton connection or significant Charlton past instead. Same thing.Belv said:
Powell and Jones were external appointments though.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.2 -
It wasn’t that clear because the exact words were “external appointments”.The Red Robin said:
Obviously. The point being made was clearly that we only do well when a manager has a previous connection to Charlton.Belv said:
14 years ago.The Red Robin said:
…coached under Sir Chris Powell at Charlton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.It was an external appointment.0 -
It really is quite bonkers to think we were in the championship with managers like him, Peeters, Luzon, Riga. What an abused club we have been.DA9 said:
ShudderBraziliance said:6 -
I’d imagine that would be the worst thing he could do. He’s already on good money personally and I have no doubt already agreed the financial plan going forward. Using interest from another club as leverage to change those agreed plans sounds like eventual suicide to me. If I were the owners I would be way less than impressed.Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jones comes out of this with a nice pay rise and some money added to our transfer pot this summer.
"I'll stay if you give me an extra 2m to spend on the squad" type of thing.5 -
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LittleAddick said:Also 52? Managers easily go on into their mid 70s, hardly last chance saloon
Was gonna say the same0 -
It’s not the same thing at all, but sure, you meant people with Charlton connections which is fair.MartinCAFC said:
Okay splitting hairs now I see over internal/external. Lets say Charlton connection or significant Charlton past instead. Same thing.Belv said:
Powell and Jones were external appointments though.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.1 -
12 pages?It's a nonsense rumour - Jonesy isn't going anywhere.15
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Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.10
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I’m ITK: It’s June 1st not April 1st, and daughter hasn’t wet her bed during those two months.
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Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.7 -
Don't personally think he'll go but, even after everything that's been achieved since, I still think he's wound up by the criticism he was getting 6 months ago. Hopefully that won't be the thing that tips the balance1
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Were Charlton fans were not allowed nice things 😂. I think there’s so much more in this than a rumour I’ve thought for weeks why Cardiff have taken weeks/months to appoint a manager when you have a lot of decent options at that level you could have gone for. Personally in my head I think it’s another Alfie May situation it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when despite most fans thinking it’s not happening. What the club can’t do is tell ourselves he’s 100% here next season then he goes and we waste more valuable time we need to have a plan in place if Cardiff do cough up the compensationsoapboxsam said:Crispywood said:Has to be Wellens Challinor or Selles as a replacement
You are really running 🏃🏻♂️with this rumour Crispywood! Fair play to you even if you are going to lap yourself.
This time last Sunday we had just gone 1 nil up with Macca's free kick and now a band wagon is developing that the green, green grass of home is calling for Nathan to go west, back to his roots.
At Least if this occurs and I still don't expect it to happen but this is football that can defy logic, then at least none of our better players will be attracted to join him back down in League 1 other than Chuks and Watson who are looking for a football contract.
Blimey, you lots have got me at it now 🤦🏻♂️0 -
It's pathetic really. It's almost as if some people are wishing him gone. It's not bloody happening !!!Croydon said:
I can't believe anyone is giving this article any weight. It doesn't have any information in it 😂Braziliance said:
You think there would be a soon to be a 10 page thread irrespective of the journo talk? Come on.cafctom said:Big part of me thinks that as a fanbase we’re sometimes very prone to seeking out worrisome outcomes, even when there is no immediate evidence of it.
During the playoffs Cardiff had already been relegated and in need of a manager, but there was little talk of this ‘speculation’.
Now that the Playoffs are done and we have no matches to focus on, it feels like we’re just gravitating to a story to fill the time.
It's a talking point because two different sets of fanbases have claimed our manager has held talks. With a local journo who is their reliable source (Cardiff) more or less confirming the manager they are after is Jones.
Now to add to it, Darren Witcoop has come out with the same story who seems fairly credible. Which tiew in with the original source, suddenly it's not just agent talk or made up nonsense anymore.
https://x.com/DarrenOWitcoop/status/1929106626859921498?t=g93xNXnfURAP4rP5UJ0k2Q&s=19
What it looking certain, is that Cardiff are definitely interested and have the intent to go for Jones.
Whether they can make it happen is something else.
God i hate this time of the year when it comes to Charlton . Have a break7 -
Jones is getting a tan, not talking to him. I see where the confusion started.16
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I'm still wound up by the football he was serving up 6 months ago. Just sayin'.Gribbo said:Don't personally think he'll go but, even after everything that's been achieved since, I still think he's wound up by the criticism he was getting 6 months ago. Hopefully that won't be the thing that tips the balance
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Cardiff want a manager. It’s being reported that Jones is high on their wanted list. Jones has previously expressed a desire to manage there. It’s his boyhood club. He has previous of jumping ship. He’s as mad as a box of frogs. I don’t think anyone can say it “it’s not bloody happening” with any degree of confidence.Bedsaddick said:
It's pathetic really. It's almost as if some people are wishing him gone. It's not bloody happening !!!Croydon said:
I can't believe anyone is giving this article any weight. It doesn't have any information in it 😂Braziliance said:
You think there would be a soon to be a 10 page thread irrespective of the journo talk? Come on.cafctom said:Big part of me thinks that as a fanbase we’re sometimes very prone to seeking out worrisome outcomes, even when there is no immediate evidence of it.
During the playoffs Cardiff had already been relegated and in need of a manager, but there was little talk of this ‘speculation’.
Now that the Playoffs are done and we have no matches to focus on, it feels like we’re just gravitating to a story to fill the time.
It's a talking point because two different sets of fanbases have claimed our manager has held talks. With a local journo who is their reliable source (Cardiff) more or less confirming the manager they are after is Jones.
Now to add to it, Darren Witcoop has come out with the same story who seems fairly credible. Which tiew in with the original source, suddenly it's not just agent talk or made up nonsense anymore.
https://x.com/DarrenOWitcoop/status/1929106626859921498?t=g93xNXnfURAP4rP5UJ0k2Q&s=19
What it looking certain, is that Cardiff are definitely interested and have the intent to go for Jones.
Whether they can make it happen is something else.
God i hate this time of the year when it comes to Charlton . Have a break12 -
Cardiff are also in a mess, Vincent Tan is an absentee owner, and the club is apparently afraid to announce its retained list to fans.
This is taken from a Lincoln fan’s write-up of how L1 will shape up next season.
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Tbf the story didn’t have any legs until the BBC ran it. It’s Sunday afternoon. The club can’t be expected to respond to the nonsense aggregators or individual X accounts.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.Managers also play these games. Curbs would never deny such stories when they appeared.17 -
No, they don't and they shouldn'tShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.
Jones will come back from holiday and carry on.
No plans have to be altered, Chapple will be working away, deals will be set up.
And the club would be mad to make any statement because 1. Those that believe the clickbait nonsense will say "no smoke without fire" and 2. they will then have to respond to every other bit of nonsense on social media.
It is typical that the Cardiff ITK guy saying Jones ISN'T ON THE SHORTLIST story was almost ignored but any bad news is lapped up.23 -
I can'e see curbs going there eitherAirman Brown said:
Tbf the story didn’t have any legs until the BBC ran it. It’s Sunday afternoon. The club can’t be expected to respond to the nonsense aggregators or individual X accounts.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.Managers also play these games. Curbs would never deny such stories when they appeared.11 -
There are levels though. An invested & benevolent owner would concern themselves with ST and match day prices - if they wanted what was best for fans. However, granted, that is very rare. The club put a lot of effort into that in the 1990s & that wasn’t led by the admin team.Airman Brown said:
That’s exactly what they are going to have to do for as long as they own the club outside the Premier League. I doubt they took much direct interest in the ST prices as they are unlikely to have any feel for the market and as I’ve said previously the potential income growth in 25/26 is trivial. That will likely be Warrick and Rodwell.Woodwork said:
I believe they do. But I don’t think they are going to be benevolent owners willing to write off millions each season either. Their hardnosed attitude to the season ticket prices show that. This is another good litmus test.Airman Brown said:
Well, yeah, but the club just doubled its revenue. Roland was the only one who thought you could just use the extra to offset the operating loss and still stay up. It’s reasonable to suppose the current ownership has more interest in what happens next than he did.Woodwork said:
Not if he sees the writing on the wall.Danny Addick said:
Would be very strange indeed.RC_CAFC said:There’s no way Jones has spent the last 18 months, working his nuts off to restore his reputation and get himself back into the championship to go straight back into league one for anyone.Can we have the football back please 🙏Not saying this is what is happening, but making the point that nothing is impossible in football. The wage budget is currently at least less than half every other team in the Championship. Without significant investment, Charlton could come straight back down. Whereas, he could lead Cardiff City straight back up & have double or more his current budget when back in the Championship.He certainly doesn’t lack belief in his abilities. But is pretty fragile ego wise. He may think the season could be a struggle & Charlton fans will quickly be on his back again. Whereas at Cardiff City he could play the home boy hero turning the club around.Again, not saying that is the case at all. But it’s what the post on the Plymouth forum suggests (oh the irony 😂). And nothing would surprise me in football. Nothing.
i have no idea what the playing budget is likely to be next season, but I don’t see the budget in 24/25 as any kind of guide either.All I am saying is that they seem like businessmen, first and foremost. They’ve gone to a lot of effort to make it known that they are about sustainability & cloth cutting. That is to say, I do not think they will be like the Stoke City or Millwall owners, willing to essentially write off losses out of love, no matter how big or simply just to stay competitive. Fans are expected to pay the going rate. The academy is expected to provide some gems to sell. The scouts are expected to unearth some rough diamonds to polish & make a profit on and Jones is expected to a create a team greater than the sum of its parts.And to be fair, that is how it should be. But none of us know how constrained the wage & transfer budget will be, when the club aren’t currently generating significant income from player sales. Ie when it is all on the owners. How much of the tv money will be pumped into the squad? If the incoming player stats for last season’s promoted clubs is anything to go by… all of it! Yet, I cannot see the club bringing in 15+ players. But who knows. Jones may have outlined that he needs to overhaul the squad with x amount of new players & the board may say no, we were only looking at y amount. All speculation though. But that is why forums exist.You’re right to say last season’s budget is no guide to this season’s. But we do know that it needs to be at least doubled to catch up with the likes of Preston, a club that are sniffing around Small. Doubling it doesn’t guarantee success. But that isn’t the debate (for others who reference Jones’ success at Luton v failure at Stoke). I am just stating the bolded part as a reality of Championship football.0 -
I’m glad you’re seemingly 100% confident none of our preparations are any doubt.MHenry Irving said:
No, they don't and they shouldn'tShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.
Jones will come back from holiday and carry on.
No plans have to be altered, Chapple will be working away, deals will be set up.
And the club would be mad to make any statement because 1. Those that believe the clickbait nonsense will say "no smoke without fire" and 2. they will then have to respond to every other bit of nonsense on social media.
It is typical that the Cardiff ITK guy saying Jones ISN'T ON THE SHORTLIST story was almost ignored but any bad news is lapped up.1
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