Nathan Jones speculation - Cawley says indications are no chance Jones going to Cardiff (p20)

DOUCHER · June 1

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect.

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is.

@Henry Irving is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc

Well, being a floating fan with no real affinity, you're probably not best qualified to understand when a fanbase turns on the manager but we certainly never hound out club legends like your lot did to Neil Harris. Given the utter shite we were playing, i'm surprised NJ had as much support left as he did at that point. I was for keeping him but only because we couldn't keep sacking managers - the team were dreadful and i get he's upset and nobody should be abused / cross the line. He can suck it up or give some back, i'm not fussed, i get it. He was doing a shit job then and hadn't earnt the right like a club legend might expect, for patience. Here endeth your lesson.

Woodwork · June 1

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

Whoosh

It isn’t a whoosh, Mr Idiot.

It is a piss-take reply to a piss-take post!

stonemuse · June 1

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

Whoosh

It isn’t a whoosh, Mr Idiot.

It is a piss-take reply to a piss-take post!

😂😂😂

try reading … you may have missed the winking emoji … I had been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but recent posts have revealed you are a WUM … never mind, I’m sure you can boast to your mates how much you wind us up

Mr. Idiot 😂 how can I ever get over such a cutting comment

DOUCHER · June 1

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

agreed - it's an unfair comparison - orient more comparable both geographically and in terms of footballing achievement

The Red Robin · June 1

Woodwork said:

The Red Robin said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect.

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is.

@Henry Irving is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc

Millwall are content with mid-table Championship football as the majority of their fan base have never experienced higher. There’s nothing entitled about Charlton fans wanting to be a tad higher than mid-table in League One. Charlton in The Championship is bear minimum.

It is when the club has played most of the last 15 years in League One, under poor managers and awful owners. Jones probably thought he was doing a good job turning the club around, but then had a load of angry middle-aged men shouting at him before it was even Christmas.

He isn’t a Charlton fan, remember. He doesn’t remember getting on the Valley Express and watching Charlton in the PL. As far as he is concerned, he joined a neglected League One football club.

Where were in the league when fans turned on him?

Woodwork · June 1

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

agreed - it's an unfair comparison - orient more comparable both geographically and in terms of footballing achievement

I never said it was an unfair comparison. Just that Plymouth are a big club according to ChatGPT.

To be fair, I do think catchment area is important. Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham City, Derby County, Norwich City, Ipswich Town, Stoke City and West Bromwich Albion all benefit from being regional clubs.

Leyton Orient are unlucky, as they have to share a catchment area with three globally recognised & successful football clubs in West Ham, Arsenal and Spurs. The SE London clubs do not have that problem. As all three could claim to ‘represent’ SE London. However, Palace have now moved massively ahead in that sense, sadly.

ProperCharlton · June 1

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

DOUCHER · June 1

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

Whoosh

It isn’t a whoosh, Mr Idiot.

It is a piss-take reply to a piss-take post!

😂😂😂

try reading … you may have missed the winking emoji … I had been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but recent posts have revealed you are a WUM … never mind, I’m sure you can boast to your mates how much you wind us up

Mr. Idiot 😂 how can I ever get over such a cutting comment

his cover is going - i'll give him about another day or two on here unless he's millwall fan - not 100% sure he isn't

Woodwork · June 1

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

😂

ProperCharlton · June 1

Woodwork said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

😂

Milllllllllllll

Woodwork · June 1

The Red Robin said:

Woodwork said:

The Red Robin said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect.

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is.

@Henry Irving is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc

Millwall are content with mid-table Championship football as the majority of their fan base have never experienced higher. There’s nothing entitled about Charlton fans wanting to be a tad higher than mid-table in League One. Charlton in The Championship is bear minimum.

It is when the club has played most of the last 15 years in League One, under poor managers and awful owners. Jones probably thought he was doing a good job turning the club around, but then had a load of angry middle-aged men shouting at him before it was even Christmas.

He isn’t a Charlton fan, remember. He doesn’t remember getting on the Valley Express and watching Charlton in the PL. As far as he is concerned, he joined a neglected League One football club.

Where were in the league when fans turned on him?

Above the relegation zone & still in touch with the play-offs (as he proved). No need to shout at him. Imo

The Red Robin · June 1

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

We don’t all abandon the team we supported as a kid though. Look at Woodwork. He’s still Millwall through and through.

Woodwork · June 1

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

Whoosh

It isn’t a whoosh, Mr Idiot.

It is a piss-take reply to a piss-take post!

😂😂😂

try reading … you may have missed the winking emoji … I had been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but recent posts have revealed you are a WUM … never mind, I’m sure you can boast to your mates how much you wind us up

Mr. Idiot 😂 how can I ever get over such a cutting comment

Mr Idiot is a CL in-joke.

I am not on a wind up!!! Im just not tribalistic like most on here.

Leeds_Addick · June 1

Woodwork said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

😂

What a waste of time this has been for you, I don’t think you even managed to rattle anyone

cafc_se7 · June 1

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

It’s funny you say that, with the latest rumours flying around I make that video a thanks and goodbye speech. Nothing about next season and how we got to pick it up now, you think someone like Jones has the relentlessness to be saying those sorts of things. I’m not convinced we are home and dry here.

Woodwork · June 1

Leeds_Addick said:

Woodwork said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

😂

What a waste of time this has been for you, I don’t think you even managed to rattle anyone

I wasn’t trying?!

I was laughing that someone can be that naive!!

Woodwork · June 1

cafc_se7 said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

It’s funny you say that, with the latest rumours flying around I make that video a thanks and goodbye speech. Nothing about next season and how we got to pick it up now, you think someone like Jones has the relentlessness to be saying those sorts of things. I’m not convinced we are home and dry here.

You’re clearly a WUM / Millwall fan / Palace fan!!

Only happy clappy post allowed!!

AFKABartram · June 1

All this Millwall discussion, Wumming and poster focus is f***ing boring and run its course.

Please don’t aggravate and expand it by replying and adding to it please

cafc_se7 · June 1

Woodwork said:

cafc_se7 said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

It’s funny you say that, with the latest rumours flying around I make that video a thanks and goodbye speech. Nothing about next season and how we got to pick it up now, you think someone like Jones has the relentlessness to be saying those sorts of things. I’m not convinced we are home and dry here.

You’re clearly a WUM / Millwall fan / Palace fan!!

Only happy clappy post allowed!!

Am I? Never even seen your name on here before, who are you to say that?

Woodwork · June 1

cafc_se7 said:

Woodwork said:

cafc_se7 said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

It’s funny you say that, with the latest rumours flying around I make that video a thanks and goodbye speech. Nothing about next season and how we got to pick it up now, you think someone like Jones has the relentlessness to be saying those sorts of things. I’m not convinced we are home and dry here.

You’re clearly a WUM / Millwall fan / Palace fan!!

Only happy clappy post allowed!!

Am I? Never even seen your name on here before, who are you to say that?

🤦🏻‍♂️

Woodwork · June 1

AFKABartram said:

All this Millwall discussion, Wumming and poster focus is f***ing boring and run its course.

Please don’t aggravate and expand it by replying and adding to it please

Fair dos. 🫡

Woodwork · June 1

The Red Robin said:

ProperCharlton said:

I just watched the Wembley behind the scenes video and seeing Jones' reaction to the win again has convinced me there's no way he's leaving.

I think it meant too much for him to just walk away, even if it is with the team he supported as a kid.

We don’t all abandon the team we supported as a kid though. Look at Woodwork. He’s still Spurs through and through.

Corrected for you.

The Red Robin · June 1

AFKABartram said:

All this Millwall discussion, Wumming and poster focus is f***ing boring and run its course.

Please don’t aggravate and expand it by replying and adding to it please

Let’s remember how united we all were a week ago….

….that said, the Millwall chat and references are excessive.

MillwallFan · June 1

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

Whoosh

It isn’t a whoosh, Mr Idiot.

It is a piss-take reply to a piss-take post!

😂😂😂

try reading … you may have missed the winking emoji … I had been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but recent posts have revealed you are a WUM … never mind, I’m sure you can boast to your mates how much you wind us up

Mr. Idiot 😂 how can I ever get over such a cutting comment

You leave him alone Mr Poopy Pants 😡

Leuth · June 1

It truly is a big bad world, eh folks

Mendonca In Asdas · June 1

More Millwall fans on this thread than Charlton!

Covered End · June 1

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect.

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is.

@Henry Irving is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc

Oh do fuck off!

John_Fitzpatrick1 · June 1

LargeAddick said:

One minute we are not believing it because it was posted on a message board so must be bollocks. Same message board now says it’s Buckingham and we breathe a sigh of relief. I’ll believe whatever it is when it’s announced by Cardiff.

The post on the board saying it was Buckingham was yesterday. The guy has reverted that statement

Dave2l · June 1

lancashire lad said:

NJ is weird, but he is our weird

Whereas Appleton was just weird

MillwallFan · June 1

DOUCHER said:

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him.

Quite. As you well know with Harris

.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham.

Whoosh

It isn’t a whoosh, Mr Idiot.

It is a piss-take reply to a piss-take post!

😂😂😂

try reading … you may have missed the winking emoji … I had been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but recent posts have revealed you are a WUM … never mind, I’m sure you can boast to your mates how much you wind us up

Mr. Idiot 😂 how can I ever get over such a cutting comment

his cover is going - i'll give him about another day or two on here unless he's millwall fan - not 100% sure he isn't

Mate, what you see with me is what you get. I mostly take the piss and have a laugh. I don’t have the time or the inclination to set up another account and post endless stuff pretending to be a Charlton fan. If I wanted to get a point across I would just do it as me. I wouldn’t feel the need to pretend to be a Charlton fan so I could do it.

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