+++ Charlton complete Thomas Kaminski signing +++

Todds_right_hook

The Red Robin said:

MarcusH26 said:

Would be surprised if we saw TK again if he's had a falling out with NJ. Think he'll be out the door in the summer 

Coincidence that Nathan Jones has his wrist strapped? Did Kaminski get an Andy Todd?

I can confirm that kaminski fell over 

MuttleyCAFC

killerandflash said:

Garrymanilow said:

killerandflash said:

Lloyd Jones is the only person in the squad who is undroppable. Nobody else in the squad has a divine right to start (Bell would be the closest), if somebody else comes in and does well, especially not Kaminski.

He's been perfectly ok, but hardly player of the season territory. Mannion has come in, and been overall at least as good, and possibly slightly better. Yes Mannion made a howler on Friday, but Kaminski has made mistakes and not been dropped, and it would have been ridiculous to bench Mannion for one mistake.

You say that but the one time we couldn't start Jones we put Coady in and kept a clean sheet away at the team who were in 2nd in the table. Ultimately no-one is undroppable and a big part of being successful is having good togetherness and communication; the backline against Boro was Gough, Coady and Gillesphey. If Jones were to throw a big tantrum we'd be better off playing 3 committed and happy CBs than having him in there. But he won't because he's a big grown up 

But the next game Jones came straight back in though, despite the clean sheet. Everyone knew that this was a one off, that Jones is the undisputed No 1 in his position, which he's earned through his performances. Kaminski hasn't earned that right.

When I say Jones is undroppable, I don't mean because of reputation or contract small print, it's that Jones has been head and shoulders our best player this season. Even when he has a very occasional bad game, he's still one of the better players out there.

Of course if he had a series of poor performances, he's rightfully be dropped, and I'm sure he'd accept it fine.

I think statistically when it comes to defending Jones is up there with the best defenders in the league. I recall that stat they do recently where it shows what number they are in the league so far and Jones had many firsts in that.

Crispywood

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

sam3110

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

So you want players to play through injuries and potentially put themselves on the shelf for a far longer period? 

Stupid

Crispywood

sam3110 said:

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

So you want players to play through injuries and potentially put themselves on the shelf for a far longer period? 

Stupid

Of course not If you’re injured you’re injured but when it’s nothing serious and minor inflammation, I’d at least like my players to actually want to sacrifice and put themselves on the line for the team. Majority of the population has had inflammation doesn’t mean they suddenly stop working. 

thenewbie

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

I don't know, an injury that might interfere with using your arms fully sounds like it might just be a good reason to not play a goalkeeper.

Crispywood

thenewbie said:

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

I don't know, an injury that might interfere with using your arms fully sounds like it might just be a good reason to not play a goalkeeper.

Jones played with a fractured fibula which is kind of needed for clearances Jumping running as a cb, Bree played through a groin injury that stopped his ability to cross a ball as a wingback. To me it seems more like Kaminski isn’t happy at Mannion taking his position and he’s using the slightest of issues to give him a reason not to sit on the bench

The Red Robin

And Godden played through an injury and has been out most of the season as a result. I’d rather our players didn’t play through injuries. 

Crispywood

The Red Robin said:

And Godden played through an injury and has been out most of the season as a result. I’d rather our players didn’t play through injuries. 

And if it wasn’t for that we wouldn’t be in the championship. I know different circumstances with Kaminski but it’s not like we’re talking about a serious injury that came up on the scan that could affect his career we’re talking about shoulder impingement which isn’t serious as Jones described it 

thenewbie

Crispywood said:

thenewbie said:

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

I don't know, an injury that might interfere with using your arms fully sounds like it might just be a good reason to not play a goalkeeper.

Jones played with a fractured fibula which is kind of needed for clearances Jumping running as a cb, Bree played through a groin injury that stopped his ability to cross a ball as a wingback. To me it seems more like Kaminski isn’t happy at Mannion taking his position and he’s using the slightest of issues to give him a reason not to sit on the bench

You're assuming that it was Kaminski's decision whereas it's more likely that Jones has decided not to play a keeper who is fundamentally hindered in crucial parts of his job. Jones is the captain and organizer of the defence, Bree was the only RB at the club at the time. Playing them was worth the risk, playing Kaminski when Mannion was fit and ready was not.

fenaddick

Crispywood said:

thenewbie said:

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

I don't know, an injury that might interfere with using your arms fully sounds like it might just be a good reason to not play a goalkeeper.

Jones played with a fractured fibula which is kind of needed for clearances Jumping running as a cb, Bree played through a groin injury that stopped his ability to cross a ball as a wingback. To me it seems more like Kaminski isn’t happy at Mannion taking his position and he’s using the slightest of issues to give him a reason not to sit on the bench

Both of those options had negative effects on their performances. If Kaminski had played, not been able to move his arm properly because of his shoulder and conceded a goal he shouldn’t have this place would be massively criticising him for playing

andipandi

Heard rumours that Kaminski spat his dummy out, at not being first choice, a game or two ago. 

valleynick66

thenewbie said:

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

I don't know, an injury that might interfere with using your arms fully sounds like it might just be a good reason to not play a goalkeeper.

Ahh I see it now. He’s been plying with an injury for much of the season then it seems 😆😉

Alwaysneil

thenewbie said:

Crispywood said:

So was unavaible because of minor inflammation in his shoulder, meanwhile likes of Jones, Ramsay, Coventry, Bree, have all played through bigger injuries this season. I like Kaminski as a keeper but I’ve got no time for players at this club who don’t commit as soon as the smallest inconvenience pops up. 

I don't know, an injury that might interfere with using your arms fully sounds like it might just be a good reason to not play a goalkeeper.

Especially a goalkeeper who struggles with using his hands at the best of times

NorthStandUltra

Reading between the lines but it sounds like Kaminski has had a strop about not being picked, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if we got rid in the summer - not sure how long a contract he’s on & whether we’d get any takers though.

Other than the error versus Bristol City, Mannion hasn’t put a foot wrong and rightly deserves to be first choice at the moment. 

Scoham

NorthStandUltra said:

Reading between the lines but it sounds like Kaminski has had a strop about not being picked, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if we got rid in the summer - not sure how long a contract he’s on & whether we’d get any takers though.

Other than the error versus Bristol City, Mannion hasn’t put a foot wrong and rightly deserves to be first choice at the moment. 

He has another 2 years.

MarcusH26

Saw this posted over on X which makes for interesting reading 

aso914

MarcusH26 said:

Saw this posted over on X which makes for interesting reading 

I came here to post this as well. I’ve defended him this season but it’s not a good sign that he’s underperformed with shot stopping compared to other keepers this season when that’s meant to be his main strength. 

se9addick

NorthStandUltra said:

Reading between the lines but it sounds like Kaminski has had a strop about not being picked, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if we got rid in the summer - not sure how long a contract he’s on & whether we’d get any takers though.

Other than the error versus Bristol City, Mannion hasn’t put a foot wrong and rightly deserves to be first choice at the moment. 

Will be virtually impossible to just get rid of him given the wages he’s rumoured to be on - would be surprised if he’s offered that sort of money elsewhere. We may need to come to an agreement. 

superclive98

If only people had eyes to be able to see things for themselves.

Chunes

I posted before that he's something like 18th in the league for goals prevented. He's been below average this season. But people have different standards for what constitutes a performance, which is why we tolerated the likes of Hector and Innis for so long.