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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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But nobody to stop away fans pushing at it.aliwibble said:
Because the gate opens outwards, so it's easier to hold it closed from this side?Off_it said:
5 different types of steward jackets. Impressive.TootingRedArmy said:
The Magnificent Seven protecting Gate 21 after the match today, with the sheriff behind.
But why are they all on the Charlton side of the fence?1 -
Two Stewards standing to attention before KO yesterday, where are the Stewards on the otherside of Gate 21 & who is keeping an eye on this section of the Away End & unlocked Gate?0 -
Lead to believe that CAST do have a rep that sits on the Safety Advisory Group, so did one actually take place prior to the Millwall game?KBslittlesis said:
There 100% should have been a meeting and as such 100% would have been discussed.cafc999 said:Surely the Millwall game would have been discussed during any Safety Advisory Group meeting, if there was one that is.
The Trust should definitely find out who from Greenwich council was there and write to them about the concerns.
As others have rightly said, the safety certificate can be withheld if the council aren’t happy.
Did anyone have any joy getting in touch with the local MP?
Maybe CAST could shed some light?4 -
Any with walkie talkies?TootingRedArmy said:
The Magnificent Seven protecting Gate 21 after the match today, with the sheriff behind.1 -
Try telling that to the old, the infirm, the disabled who were caused severe hardship & yes you've only posted to get "your backlash", well doneDubaiCAFC said:Honestly, was it that bad? I get it, people was put out of there normal match day routine? It wasn't as if there was a huge riot, fans fighting all over the stadium.. There was a few scuffles, that you would expect in a local derby..
Really question sometimes, do people have nothing better to do, that moan and complain?
Here comes the backlash for this comment.5 -
The big geezer 2nd from the right in the red vest has defo got an earpiece in. So he’ll be in contact with the control room.CaptainRobbo said:
Any with walkie talkies?TootingRedArmy said:
The Magnificent Seven protecting Gate 21 after the match today, with the sheriff behind.4 -
cafc999 said:
Lead to believe that CAST do have a rep that sits on the Safety Advisory Group, so did one actually take place prior to the Millwall game?KBslittlesis said:
There 100% should have been a meeting and as such 100% would have been discussed.cafc999 said:Surely the Millwall game would have been discussed during any Safety Advisory Group meeting, if there was one that is.
The Trust should definitely find out who from Greenwich council was there and write to them about the concerns.
As others have rightly said, the safety certificate can be withheld if the council aren’t happy.
Did anyone have any joy getting in touch with the local MP?
Maybe CAST could shed some light?
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So is CAST on that list or not? I would assume yes.shirty5 said:cafc999 said:
Lead to believe that CAST do have a rep that sits on the Safety Advisory Group, so did one actually take place prior to the Millwall game?KBslittlesis said:
There 100% should have been a meeting and as such 100% would have been discussed.cafc999 said:Surely the Millwall game would have been discussed during any Safety Advisory Group meeting, if there was one that is.
The Trust should definitely find out who from Greenwich council was there and write to them about the concerns.
As others have rightly said, the safety certificate can be withheld if the council aren’t happy.
Did anyone have any joy getting in touch with the local MP?
Maybe CAST could shed some light?
The pressing issue would be - was there a meeting prior to the game or not?
Hopefully CAST can shed some light7 -
Blimey that's more than we got for a Full Members Cup game at Selhurst*shirty5 said:cafc999 said:
Lead to believe that CAST do have a rep that sits on the Safety Advisory Group, so did one actually take place prior to the Millwall game?KBslittlesis said:
There 100% should have been a meeting and as such 100% would have been discussed.cafc999 said:Surely the Millwall game would have been discussed during any Safety Advisory Group meeting, if there was one that is.
The Trust should definitely find out who from Greenwich council was there and write to them about the concerns.
As others have rightly said, the safety certificate can be withheld if the council aren’t happy.
Did anyone have any joy getting in touch with the local MP?
Maybe CAST could shed some light?
*Thanks Dirty Den5 -
cafc999 said:
So is CAST on that list or not? I would assume yes.shirty5 said:cafc999 said:
Lead to believe that CAST do have a rep that sits on the Safety Advisory Group, so did one actually take place prior to the Millwall game?KBslittlesis said:
There 100% should have been a meeting and as such 100% would have been discussed.cafc999 said:Surely the Millwall game would have been discussed during any Safety Advisory Group meeting, if there was one that is.
The Trust should definitely find out who from Greenwich council was there and write to them about the concerns.
As others have rightly said, the safety certificate can be withheld if the council aren’t happy.
Did anyone have any joy getting in touch with the local MP?
Maybe CAST could shed some light?
The pressing issue would be - was there a meeting prior to the game or not?
Hopefully CAST can shed some light
Ok there we have it @cafc999Weegie Addick said:A CAST board member attends and inputs to the Safety Advisory Group. This is not a club committee.
So was there a Safety advisory group meeting before the Millwall game and did a Supporters Trust board member attend?
I guess that’s what you are asking? Thanks
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Was there a SAG prior to the MIllwall game?shirty5 said:cafc999 said:
So is CAST on that list or not? I would assume yes.shirty5 said:cafc999 said:
Lead to believe that CAST do have a rep that sits on the Safety Advisory Group, so did one actually take place prior to the Millwall game?KBslittlesis said:
There 100% should have been a meeting and as such 100% would have been discussed.cafc999 said:Surely the Millwall game would have been discussed during any Safety Advisory Group meeting, if there was one that is.
The Trust should definitely find out who from Greenwich council was there and write to them about the concerns.
As others have rightly said, the safety certificate can be withheld if the council aren’t happy.
Did anyone have any joy getting in touch with the local MP?
Maybe CAST could shed some light?
The pressing issue would be - was there a meeting prior to the game or not?
Hopefully CAST can shed some light
Ok there we have it @cafc999Weegie Addick said:A CAST board member attends and inputs to the Safety Advisory Group. This is not a club committee.
So was there a Safety advisory group meeting before the Millwall game and did a Supporters Trust board member attend?
I guess that’s what you are asking? Thanks
This thread has plenty of people who have commented in a negative way on this fixture - Cannot think why? So I would have assumed the club would have held a meeting prior to this. Maybe they did but nobody can give a clear answer.2 -
Saw this in our local paper....Hastings takes on the Far Right – Hastings Independent Press 4th paragraph.0
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The lack of police within home areas during the game was wrong, and I don't even think they needed more police, just better distribution of the resources provided.
Vast numbers of police just standing outside the control box doing nothing, when a small number should have been elsewhere in the stadium to deal with any issues caused by Millwall fans in home areas. There were Millwall fans in the Curbs stand, and a box full of them, but NO police anywhere near if things had kicked off. One policeman in the stand would have made a big difference.3 -
killerandflash said:The lack of police within home areas during the game was wrong, and I don't even think they needed more police, just better distribution of the resources provided.
Vast numbers of police just standing outside the control box doing nothing, when a small number should have been elsewhere in the stadium to deal with any issues caused by Millwall fans in home areas. There were Millwall fans in the Curbs stand, and a box full of them, but NO police anywhere near if things had kicked off. One policeman in the stand would have made a big difference.
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The SAG wouldn’t necessarily meet before each match. There is a meeting between the club and the police before each game and there should be a meeting of senior staff, or was in the past.2
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Interesting 4th paragraph, how on earth did some bright journalist dream up that Millwall and Charlton firms joined forces to attack people at the Tommy Robinson march. Its not a world i'm part of but this seems fantasical.......HastingsRed said:Saw this in our local paper....Hastings takes on the Far Right – Hastings Independent Press 4th paragraph.
Having seen Millwall "fans" push through Gate 21 & attack Charlton fans, I couldn't believe some of them were 40-60's old.....Really, bit sad?
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What a load of bo**ocks, lazy journalism as usual.TootingRedArmy said:
Interesting 4th paragraph, how on earth did some bright journalist dream up that Millwall and Charlton firms joined forces to attack people at the Tommy Robinson march. Its not a world i'm part of but this seems fantasical.......HastingsRed said:Saw this in our local paper....Hastings takes on the Far Right – Hastings Independent Press 4th paragraph.
Having seen Millwall "fans" push through Gate 21 & attack Charlton fans, I couldn't believe some of them were 40-60's old.....Really, bit sad?0 -
Or maybe he's just listening to some tunes?KBslittlesis said:
The big geezer 2nd from the right in the red vest has defo got an earpiece in. So he’ll be in contact with the control room.CaptainRobbo said:
Any with walkie talkies?TootingRedArmy said:
The Magnificent Seven protecting Gate 21 after the match today, with the sheriff behind.3 -
Yes thought that myself all a bit odd.CaptainRobbo said:
What a load of bo**ocks, lazy journalism as usual.TootingRedArmy said:
Interesting 4th paragraph, how on earth did some bright journalist dream up that Millwall and Charlton firms joined forces to attack people at the Tommy Robinson march. Its not a world i'm part of but this seems fantasical.......HastingsRed said:Saw this in our local paper....Hastings takes on the Far Right – Hastings Independent Press 4th paragraph.
Having seen Millwall "fans" push through Gate 21 & attack Charlton fans, I couldn't believe some of them were 40-60's old.....Really, bit sad?0 -
CaptainRobbo said:
Any with walkie talkies?TootingRedArmy said:
The Magnificent Seven protecting Gate 21 after the match today, with the sheriff behind.
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If the police can’t handle 3000 Millwall fans, we should reduce ticket sales to how many they can.
Sales should also be restricted to their Club members.3 -
That’s what they’ll do for us . I can’t imagine we’ll get the bottom tier at The Den .Redrobo said:If the police can’t handle 3000 Millwall fans, we should reduce ticket sales to how many they can.
Sales should also be restricted to their Club members.0 -
They don't do two tier policing by all accounts so I expect you're right.Bedsaddick said:
That’s what they’ll do for us . I can’t imagine we’ll get the bottom tier at The Den .Redrobo said:If the police can’t handle 3000 Millwall fans, we should reduce ticket sales to how many they can.
Sales should also be restricted to their Club members.4 -
Seeing as it normally takes about 8 police to arrest a pensioner for saying hurty words, that means 24,000 OB to handle the scum next season.If the police can’t handle 3000 Millwall fans, we should reduce ticket sales to how many they can.
Sales should also be restricted to their Club members.2 -
Its very simple pay for some of 297 police who were on duty to actually be in the stadium and police the Millwall fans and don't rely on a few teenage stewards to try and deal with any Millwall fans who misbehave & use CCTV to spot any troublemakers etc. Next time we play Millwall at Valley they should have their allocation reduced to 2000 (that i believe is our away allocation at the Den) and any damage to the Valley bill Millwall FC & Millwall ticket price should be max price under EFL rules
most important, just keep them at the end till surrounding streets and train station are clear of Home fans. Milwall love to sing "No One Likes Us We Don't Care" .....Well thats good, as decades of hooliganism isn't rewarded there are consequences...and "We Don't Care" either if Millwall fans are inconvenienced, less of them come and they pay more! (Yes they may charge us same) but we get treated badly as Away fans at Den, time they got used to same treatment ! COYA's7 -
The guy on the barrier looks ready to storm the gate ! Look out guys …TootingRedArmy said:
Two Stewards standing to attention before KO yesterday, where are the Stewards on the otherside of Gate 21 & who is keeping an eye on this section of the Away End & unlocked Gate?1 -
Definite wrong'un if ever I saw one, must've left his flat cap and Pitbull at home "Get down Tyson".Valleysarr said:
The guy on the barrier looks ready to storm the gate ! Look out guys …TootingRedArmy said:
Two Stewards standing to attention before KO yesterday, where are the Stewards on the otherside of Gate 21 & who is keeping an eye on this section of the Away End & unlocked Gate?0 -
IMHO……I still think the gate should be more substantial, an example are the compound gates behind the away end at The Tool Box……strangely enough.CaptainRobbo said:
Any with walkie talkies?TootingRedArmy said:
The Magnificent Seven protecting Gate 21 after the match today, with the sheriff behind.
It would appear that the weakest point in the gate is the center bolt which projects downward into the ground, a concerted effort by a determined group could quite easily bend that out of shape.
The whole thing needs replacing with something significantly more substantial…..end of.👊
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Is the SAG a Council- run group? Because if so it is subject to FOI law, and I will be more than happy to request the minutes of any meeting that covered this game and any subsequent correspondence between public bodies involved. And on WhatDoTheyKnow.com so that everyone can see what the reply is. Of course any Met meeting with the club is subject to FOI law too, but based on previous experience the Met will take the piss with that.Airman Brown said:The SAG wouldn’t necessarily meet before each match. There is a meeting between the club and the police before each game and there should be a meeting of senior staff, or was in the past.1 -
If memory serves the SAG happens pre season and one of its purpose is to agree the safety certificate needed to play your seasons games. So the council should have the minutes too. Ours was always held at The Den and I took the minutes and decided the itinerary.
But things may have changed since my day.0
