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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Southampton - Saturday 22nd November 2025 - 12:30pm Kick-Of
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Glad you finally got a picture of your son. Forgive me but I've no desire to watch that video though 😉.ken from bexley said:
I guess every cloud has a silver lining!.... I tracked down the video on line, as one of my sons was the Mascot on that very day, and never saw or got a photo of him, He is shown here after Richard Rufus, running out. His favourite player was Scott Parker, who spoke to him, and our sons both went to Long Lane where he said he played for. I took a screen shot, so will run it through photoshop and get a print made. Re yesterday, well lets hope that Jones can motivate the players, and get a point or two in the next few games, we do not want to go on a bad run.Stig said:This is the league table two days before that Leeds game. We were towards the top, but romanticism aside probably weren't in serious contention for a European place. Leeds were towards the bottom and could have dropped into that 18th spot but squeaky bums aside, probably weren't the team in most serious danger of going down. Only twelve points between us, but I guess in a small league that counts for more.
Will not be easy, but with Godden hopefully returning, lets hope we can back to winning ways?
Video here ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89eFn2qzbzk
Smith, Kewell, and Viduka tore us apart.....
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The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.8 -
It was and seven down on the hour mark.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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My son was a mascot on Saturday and what was a brilliant morning all fell apart within 20 mins of the KO. He turned to me and said "Dad what's happening?!" Lol.
NJ built this team on a base of a good defence what happened yesterday in the first half is so uncharacteristic of us I was actually completely shocked with what I was watching. Panic stations? No. Get back to basics most definitely. We need a gritty as hell, don't lose game on Tuesday
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the initial question was concerning home games.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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Perhaps this highlights the difference in the monetary value between our squad and theirs? We may well be more resilient in the face of injuries and suspensions once given sufficient time to develop a better and more rounded squad of players. That’s not going to happen overnight - perhaps another season at the very least.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.It didn’t help that the amount of space we were giving them and the number of unmarked opposition players handed victory on a plate for them.When we have been on form we have been fabulous against former Prem sides. We held our own way better against Leicester City - we didn’t win that either, but it wasn’t an out and out capitulation on our part either.2 -
The Ipswich game was pretty similar apart from their failure to take their chances. I expected us to get a battering at some stage but not to be as comprehensively outplayed as we were on Saturday.
It was so one sided in the first 25 minutes it was embarrassing - I do hope we don't see a repeat in the next few fixtures. It was a real horror show..4 -
Oct 1983 - we were unbeaten in the first seven games. Jimmy Case hat-trick.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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We went to Newcastle the following Saturday and lost 2-1 in the pouring rain to two late Kevin Keegan headers (that one is on Youtube). I reckon there were no more than about 40 of us there that afternoon!0 -
One team was up for it and the other one probably thought they were but actually weren't.
The failure to get to grips with Armstrong dropping deep and spinning with the ball killed us. Once he did that, he was joined by a multitude of runners...all of whom looked twice as fast as anything we had.
Against a team like that, you either smash into them or drop right off to deny space behind. We did neither and got slaughtered.
Our lack of a goal scoring forward is a real problem. If Carey doesn't show up (which he can't every game) we currently have nothing other than set-pieces.6 -
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And it was raining....and there was no cover in that corner.iaitch said:
It was and seven down on the hour mark.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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He came on on saturday,when we where getting battered.he was no worse than anybody else on that pitch,especially the midfield which was non existant.You could have put Messi on at that point and he would have struggled to make an impact.With the way the game is these days,unless you play in under 21s,there is no football outside pf the 1st team for players to keep match fit,so they are training all week but not playing ,it cant be easy to suddenly get on the pitch and straight away get up to speed,especially in a situation like saturday.Sword65pf said:
If he hasn’t done anything good in the 1st game, why does he deserve to keep his place for2-3, its squad competition and he hasn’t competed well enough.thickandthin63 said:
Fine but how many minutes has he had,surely the time to judge is when he plays 2-3 games on the spin.Sword65pf said:
That was me, and my opinion isn’t just based on yesterday, he has been poor every time he has got minutes.thickandthin63 said:Noticed JRC got a bit of stick on here,ffs,the guy has hardly had a kick all season,comes on when we are getting hammered,and someone says he can see why he hasnt played.1 -
Good judge, I mean you’ve had hundreds of games to choose to miss and this was the most we’ve ever got battered in the first half …. They could have had 10 !Covered End said:I blame myself.
It’s the first home game I’ve missed voluntarily since 1972.0 -
I was at that game. I asked a steward to open the gate so I could end the misery. Up stepped a policeman who told me, "They weren't letting any more of you lot out, you've caused enough trouble today. Go back and watch the game." What a sadistic police force we had back then.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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charltonkeston said:
I was at that game. I asked a steward to open the gate so I could end the misery. Up stepped a policeman who told me, "They weren't letting any more of you lot out, you've caused enough trouble today. Go back and watch the game." What a sadistic police force we had back then.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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Perhaps he remembered saying goodbye to his horse0 -
Problem is the rest of the division was watching so will know how to play against us now, so NJ doesn't really have a choice about changing.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.0 -
There was a bit of agg in the street afterwards. Saw some Brighton innocents get a clump.charltonkeston said:
I was at that game. I asked a steward to open the gate so I could end the misery. Up stepped a policeman who told me, "They weren't letting any more of you lot out, you've caused enough trouble today. Go back and watch the game." What a sadistic police force we had back then.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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Rotherham and Peterborough packed us in last season didn’t exactly stop us from getting promoted.EugenesAxe said:
Problem is the rest of the division was watching so will know how to play against us now, so NJ doesn't really have a choice about changing.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.Don’t get how fans can be so reactionary after 1 game where we have 4 of our best back 5 out, coming up against an attack of Fellows Azaz Armstrong and Scienza that cost in the region of 45-50M.10 -
Southampton moved the ball incredibly well to play through our press. Not many teams at this level will be able to replicate that, probably only Coventry and maybe Ipswich. Needs a combination of very good players and a good coachCrispywood said:
Rotherham and Peterborough packed us in last season didn’t exactly stop us from getting promoted.EugenesAxe said:
Problem is the rest of the division was watching so will know how to play against us now, so NJ doesn't really have a choice about changing.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.Don’t get how fans can be so reactionary after 1 game where we have 4 of our best back 5 out, coming up against an attack of Fellows Azaz Armstrong and Scienza that cost in the region of 45-50M.1 -
Except that isn’t how we normally play, we normally have a much more solid defensive structure that means both flanks aren’t completely openEugenesAxe said:
Problem is the rest of the division was watching so will know how to play against us now, so NJ doesn't really have a choice about changing.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.3 -
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Obviously hope you're right.NabySarr said:
Southampton moved the ball incredibly well to play through our press. Not many teams at this level will be able to replicate that, probably only Coventry and maybe Ipswich. Needs a combination of very good players and a good coachCrispywood said:
Rotherham and Peterborough packed us in last season didn’t exactly stop us from getting promoted.EugenesAxe said:
Problem is the rest of the division was watching so will know how to play against us now, so NJ doesn't really have a choice about changing.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.Don’t get how fans can be so reactionary after 1 game where we have 4 of our best back 5 out, coming up against an attack of Fellows Azaz Armstrong and Scienza that cost in the region of 45-50M.0 -
And for the players most comfortable with playing the press to be injuredNabySarr said:
Southampton moved the ball incredibly well to play through our press. Not many teams at this level will be able to replicate that, probably only Coventry and maybe Ipswich. Needs a combination of very good players and a good coachCrispywood said:
Rotherham and Peterborough packed us in last season didn’t exactly stop us from getting promoted.EugenesAxe said:
Problem is the rest of the division was watching so will know how to play against us now, so NJ doesn't really have a choice about changing.Major said:Seemed pretty clear that Nathan Jones was out managed by the Southampton guy. He said they knew how Charlton were going play and trained for 2 or 3 days to counter it.
Obviously worked and as much as I am grateful for where we are, I think being a 'One Trick Pony' could potentially bite Nathan in the arse in this division.
I really hope he learned something and starts playing a formation that the players he has at his disposal are comfortable with.
Clearly they weren't on Saturday.Don’t get how fans can be so reactionary after 1 game where we have 4 of our best back 5 out, coming up against an attack of Fellows Azaz Armstrong and Scienza that cost in the region of 45-50M.1 -
He’s a pro footballer and knows what’s required to succeed whatever the situation, it’s nearly December fitness should be the least of his worries, if he had done enough at any point of the season we wouldn’t be having the discussion. He was supposed to be one of our signings to bring championship experience as a lot of people on here doubted many of our players would step up, well a lot have and he hadn’t brought what was expected so I don’t get the excuses being made for him when he hasn’t produced.thickandthin63 said:
He came on on saturday,when we where getting battered.he was no worse than anybody else on that pitch,especially the midfield which was non existant.You could have put Messi on at that point and he would have struggled to make an impact.With the way the game is these days,unless you play in under 21s,there is no football outside pf the 1st team for players to keep match fit,so they are training all week but not playing ,it cant be easy to suddenly get on the pitch and straight away get up to speed,especially in a situation like saturday.Sword65pf said:
If he hasn’t done anything good in the 1st game, why does he deserve to keep his place for2-3, its squad competition and he hasn’t competed well enough.thickandthin63 said:
Fine but how many minutes has he had,surely the time to judge is when he plays 2-3 games on the spin.Sword65pf said:
That was me, and my opinion isn’t just based on yesterday, he has been poor every time he has got minutes.thickandthin63 said:Noticed JRC got a bit of stick on here,ffs,the guy has hardly had a kick all season,comes on when we are getting hammered,and someone says he can see why he hasnt played.
im not saying he didn’t try,and he was flogging a dead horse on Saturday, and I don’t particularly dislike him, he’s Charlton and he has my backing, but I’m commenting on what I’ve seen from him as of yet.0 -
I’m still reeling from Saturday, I thought we were playing in the champions league against Barcelona!1
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I'm not sure why he didn't try Campbell in that right wing back role on Saturday?
I've always felt it's his natural side and he did pretty well as a kind of left full back against that Wrexham winger. His physicality is similar to Smalls.
That would've freed Apter to pick up Campbels usual role on the left/forward/10?? which I think he may well have been more comfortable with.1 -
1) Small is easily more physical than TC and actually has some defensive ability to play wingback.carly burn said:I'm not sure why he didn't try Campbell in that right wing back role on Saturday?
I've always felt it's his natural side and he did pretty well as a kind of left full back against that Wrexham winger. His physicality is similar to Smalls.
That would've freed Apter to pick up Campbels usual role on the left/forward/10?? which I think he may well have been more comfortable with.2) When TC has played off the right this year he was at fault for the goal at QPR and was 100x worse on the right than the left at Leciester.3) Apter hasn’t got the pace, strength, conditioning to move off the ball like TC nor the ability to hold the ball up and play with his back to goal and considering hes built his career on cutting in on his left and sticking the ball into the far corner he’s on the complete wrong side to do that2 -
I do understand the thinking keeping Hernandez on rather than Apter as he’s more physical and maybe has a bit of fight which we were really lacking. Unfortunately he’s also crap.Not sure where that leaves us for tomorrow. Apter has at least had a rest being taken off early, although not sure if he’s in NJ’s plans now? Bree and Apter as wingbacks (not sure which one plays on the left) wouldn’t be a crazy option if we’re keeping the same shape (and have three fit CBs).0
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Any masochist's out there, you can watch the whole game again on the OS now...
....🤦♂️
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Southampton showed us a masterclass on how to play "breakaways" last Saturday.
Perhaps we can forget the high press for a while and adopt this tactic when up against the top sides in the division?
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I lived in Scotland at the time and tuned in at HT to see the score. They had some board that showed all that divisions scores. At the time it was 4-0, then the 4 turned to a 5.iaitch said:
It was and seven down on the hour mark.Chippycafc said:
The Brighton game mid 80s away where we conceded 7. Sure that was 5-0 at HT.Big William said:
Everton 0-7 in 1931, 6-0 at half time. The Leicester 0-5 which was Eddie Firmanis Waterloo was 0-4 at HT.LargeAddick said:Question was posed on another thread but not really answered but to all stattos out there was that the first time EVER that we have conceded 5 first half goals at home?
And before anyone says it the 7-6 v Huddersfield was only 2-0 at half time.
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