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agreedgolfaddick said:I thought our support was very vitriolic from where I was sat yesterday. Leaburn seemed to be copping most of it but towards the end every player was being called a c*** or a wanker.
Not sure that's the type of support you are looking for.1 -
I am / was commenting in jest.JustFloydRoad said:valleynick66 said:Don’t worry. NJ will now rest the majority of our first team for Chelsea to concentrate on the league 😉🤔So from new year we have THURS, SUN, SAT (Chelsea game)**, SAT (so a week's rest), TUES, SAT* (Millwall), SAT*Doesn't really need to rest anyone.For Comparison Chelsea have:SUN, WED, SAT (us)**, WED (LC semi)** ,SAT, WED (Champions League)**,SAT (Trip to Croydon), WED (Champions League)**, SAT*- at 12:30**- at 20:00But I do now fear (just a little) he may rest some after all given the downturn in form.I sincerely hope not , but the attitude we have taken to cup games of late makes me think my joke was maybe not so daft.For clarity he should not and I don’t think he needs to.0 -
The crowd obviously has some effect on the team, but not as much as some are suggesting.
If a noisy crowd getting behind the team every game was that important then Newcastle would win the league every year7 -
valleynick66 said:
I am / was commenting in jest.JustFloydRoad said:valleynick66 said:Don’t worry. NJ will now rest the majority of our first team for Chelsea to concentrate on the league 😉🤔So from new year we have THURS, SUN, SAT (Chelsea game)**, SAT (so a week's rest), TUES, SAT* (Millwall), SAT*Doesn't really need to rest anyone.For Comparison Chelsea have:SUN, WED, SAT (us)**, WED (LC semi)** ,SAT, WED (Champions League)**,SAT (Trip to Croydon), WED (Champions League)**, SAT*- at 12:30**- at 20:00But I do now fear (just a little) he may rest some after all given the downturn in form.I sincerely hope not , but the attitude we have taken to cup games of late makes me think my joke was maybe not so daft.For clarity he should not and I don’t think he needs to.Point I am trying to make is that Chelsea at home (on a Saturday) isn't Stevenage at Home (on a Tuesday night). Other fans like to point out Jones wants to look good in front of the cameras, so that is my POV on the matter.My fear is that we begin to focus on Chelsea rather than play decent sides against Pompey, Coventry and Blackburn. We can't afford another loosing run.0 -
I’d be absolutely astounded if we don’t rest players like Jones, Bell, Carey and Coventry. I doubt NJ cares about this game based on where we are at the moment.JustFloydRoad said:valleynick66 said:Don’t worry. NJ will now rest the majority of our first team for Chelsea to concentrate on the league 😉🤔So from new year we have THURS, SUN, SAT (Chelsea game)**, SAT (so a week's rest), TUES, SAT* (Millwall), SAT*Doesn't really need to rest anyone.For Comparison Chelsea have:SUN, WED, SAT (us)**, WED (LC semi)** ,SAT, WED (Champions League)**,SAT (Trip to Croydon), WED (Champions League)**, SAT*- at 12:30**- at 20:002 -
MrOneLung said:The crowd has zero influenceTbf the Charlton Women have remained unbeaten in 2025 by barley filling up 1/4 of the stadium.No matter your views on Women football that is an good achievement for the club.0
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Oh god I hope so.timken said:west ham hate their owners ,hate their team (except jared bowen )and hate their stadium.we will stay up.they will go fown
Ever since they left their true home I’ve wondered what sort of crowds they’d get in The Championship at the taxpayers’ stadium0 -
Dunno, I think if you put me in the octagon with Jon Jones and the crowd all cheered me on, he would still kick my head in.
I think the players themselves need to do the job they are paid to do, fans shouldn't impact the result that much.
As much as we should be backing the team (everyone being on their feet, if they can, and chanting would be a start) it's also up to the players to provide the entertainment to excite the fans enough to want to chant. When you register just a single shot on target in 90 minutes vs a team in 23rd place, it's hard to get excited.2 -
Does that help us avoid a possible relegation then?JustFloydRoad said:MrOneLung said:The crowd has zero influenceTbf the Charlton Women have remained unbeaten in 2025 by barley filling up 1/4 of the stadium.No matter your views on Women football that is an good achievement for the club.
And what are they doing with all that barley after the game?2 -
I can’t see him giving the Chelsea game priority.JustFloydRoad said:valleynick66 said:
I am / was commenting in jest.JustFloydRoad said:valleynick66 said:Don’t worry. NJ will now rest the majority of our first team for Chelsea to concentrate on the league 😉🤔So from new year we have THURS, SUN, SAT (Chelsea game)**, SAT (so a week's rest), TUES, SAT* (Millwall), SAT*Doesn't really need to rest anyone.For Comparison Chelsea have:SUN, WED, SAT (us)**, WED (LC semi)** ,SAT, WED (Champions League)**,SAT (Trip to Croydon), WED (Champions League)**, SAT*- at 12:30**- at 20:00But I do now fear (just a little) he may rest some after all given the downturn in form.I sincerely hope not , but the attitude we have taken to cup games of late makes me think my joke was maybe not so daft.For clarity he should not and I don’t think he needs to.Point I am trying to make is that Chelsea at home (on a Saturday) isn't Stevenage at Home (on a Tuesday night). Other fans like to point out Jones wants to look good in front of the cameras, so that is my POV on the matter.My fear is that we begin to focus on Chelsea rather than play decent sides against Pompey, Coventry and Blackburn. We can't afford another loosing run.0 -
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blackpool72 said:The crowd obviously has some effect on the team, but not as much as some are suggesting.
If a noisy crowd getting behind the team every game was that important then Newcastle would win the league every yearAgreed that the effect is marginal, though dog's abuse at the players will likely have a negative effect. But quiet versus noisy doesn't make a noticeable difference.Not sure about your Newcastle example though (I know it's tongue in cheek) - yes they are very noisy when getting behind the team but it might make a difference between finishing in a European slot rather than just outside - the crowd can't and won't win the league!2 -
If we fail to stay up it won’t be because the crowd didn’t cheer loud enough.8
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Pompey Leeds Wednesday Man City Sunderland would never have entered the third tier if support made a difference .
all the singing and fans in the world didn’t help Leeds in 1987 at St Andrews5 -
We have 13 home games left
Our current Home PPG is 1.7
If that carries on then we will pick up 22 points from our remaining home games. Just those 22 points takes us to 49 points and probably safety
Even if we underperform that it’s not going to take much from our away games to make up the difference. We are still in a very strong position2 -
Hang on I thought we were meant to boo them to make them play better?!4
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Not saying we can make a bad team good just that we can provide an extra point or two by staying positive.oohaahmortimer said:Pompey Leeds Wednesday Man City Sunderland would never have entered the third tier if support made a difference .
all the singing and fans in the world didn’t help Leeds in 1987 at St Andrews2 -
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We've never really had the best vocal support. But definitely when the team digs in and the crowd respond in kind (Brum for instance) then I do think it has an effect. Also when we are pushing in the second half towards the Covered End at The Valley - you can feel it raise the atmosphere.
Unfortunately the digging out of players who are obviously confidence players is akin to bullying and will not help their performances or our results - thinking of TC, and players like Morgan Fox and Simon Francis. (The latter ended up captain for a Prem team so indeed *was* a confidence player, and obviously not shit). It's been going on since Kim Grant was roundly booed for missing a sitter when we were something like 5-1 up against Notts County at home!
No problem with stick being dished out to lazy bastards like JFH, M Bent and what seems like a million other CAFC players over the last twenty years, but I think our squad this season deserve our support - especially some of the positions they've been asked to play, and misguided starting line-ups/substitutions. They generally seem to give a shit (although the less said about Norwich the better - one of the worst games I've seen in ages, including the thrashings) - and if they look like they're trying (but things aren't working) then that's good enough for me.
Really hope we have a loud, positive atmosphere tomorrow night - and if the right personnel are picked - maybe we could nick it.
PS - Saw an instagram post and looks like we will be in the fucking black kit again - ffs if any game we should be in Red it's this one!5 -
I agree.oohaahmortimer said:Pompey Leeds Wednesday Man City Sunderland would never have entered the third tier if support made a difference .
all the singing and fans in the world didn’t help Leeds in 1987 at St Andrews
But after the game it put the fear of God in me 🙏3 -
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No one is being bullied by the fans.boggzy said:We've never really had the best vocal support. But definitely when the team digs in and the crowd respond in kind (Brum for instance) then I do think it has an effect. Also when we are pushing in the second half towards the Covered End at The Valley - you can feel it raise the atmosphere.
Unfortunately the digging out of players who are obviously confidence players is akin to bullying and will not help their performances or our results - thinking of TC, and players like Morgan Fox and Simon Francis. (The latter ended up captain for a Prem team so indeed *was* a confidence player, and obviously not shit). It's been going on since Kim Grant was roundly booed for missing a sitter when we were something like 5-1 up against Notts County at home!
No problem with stick being dished out to lazy bastards like JFH, M Bent and what seems like a million other CAFC players over the last twenty years, but I think our squad this season deserve our support - especially some of the positions they've been asked to play, and misguided starting line-ups/substitutions. They generally seem to give a shit (although the less said about Norwich the better - one of the worst games I've seen in ages, including the thrashings) - and if they look like they're trying (but things aren't working) then that's good enough for me.
Really hope we have a loud, positive atmosphere tomorrow night - and if the right personnel are picked - maybe we could nick it.
PS - Saw an instagram post and looks like we will be in the fucking black kit again - ffs if any game we should be in Red it's this one!Fans always have and always will pass judgement based on results and perceived performance.If it were any different football ground atmosphere would become dull and predictable.I really do think fans can expect very well paid footballers to withstand some criticism. Frankly it’s part of the deal of being so well paid at the literal expense of fans.Of course you can argue people respond better to praise but that’s not how football works.We criticise referees opposing players and our own players during the course of nearly every match.3 -
I am talking about dog's abuse towards certain players who are obviously confidence players (and possibly not good enough in the first place) while others on the pitch who don't fit this description and aren't putting a shift in themselves are left alone. It's a bullying pack mentality. Anyone no matter how thick knows which players will be affected - which is why they go for the 'confidence' players when they see they're struggling.valleynick66 said:
No one is being bullied by the fans.boggzy said:We've never really had the best vocal support. But definitely when the team digs in and the crowd respond in kind (Brum for instance) then I do think it has an effect. Also when we are pushing in the second half towards the Covered End at The Valley - you can feel it raise the atmosphere.
Unfortunately the digging out of players who are obviously confidence players is akin to bullying and will not help their performances or our results - thinking of TC, and players like Morgan Fox and Simon Francis. (The latter ended up captain for a Prem team so indeed *was* a confidence player, and obviously not shit). It's been going on since Kim Grant was roundly booed for missing a sitter when we were something like 5-1 up against Notts County at home!
No problem with stick being dished out to lazy bastards like JFH, M Bent and what seems like a million other CAFC players over the last twenty years, but I think our squad this season deserve our support - especially some of the positions they've been asked to play, and misguided starting line-ups/substitutions. They generally seem to give a shit (although the less said about Norwich the better - one of the worst games I've seen in ages, including the thrashings) - and if they look like they're trying (but things aren't working) then that's good enough for me.
Really hope we have a loud, positive atmosphere tomorrow night - and if the right personnel are picked - maybe we could nick it.
PS - Saw an instagram post and looks like we will be in the fucking black kit again - ffs if any game we should be in Red it's this one!Fans always have and always will pass judgement based on results and perceived performance.If it were any different football ground atmosphere would become dull and predictable.I really do think fans can expect very well paid footballers to withstand some criticism. Frankly it’s part of the deal of being so well paid at the literal expense of fans.Of course you can argue people respond better to praise but that’s not how football works.We criticise referees opposing players and our own players during the course of nearly every match.
I'm not talking about general football ground atmospheres (which since all-seater stadia were brought in is horribly sanitised/corporate nowadays) - Could not agree more re overpaid footballers being able to withstand criticism - and I'm not saying people shouldn't have the right to give dog's abuse to players if they aren't trying. I was talking about the likes of slightly more sensitive players that *do* try even when played out of position/in a crap line-up/on a bad run-up but are bullied - that's the difference (and I say again, anyone however brain-dead can work out which these players are, and that's the problem).
On another note - I believe the majority of footballers think the majority of fans are complete sad twats (no matter how much we like to think otherwise), and post (and probably pre)-match game interviews from the manager are just utter verbal diarrhoea (even in Chrissy Powell's promotion season, it was the same) - a lot of words saying nothing, like most politicians. But on that note, I do think NJ has managed our fanbase really well the last year or so (while still getting in the odd dig) - and I think that's helped with our (vocal) support - especially away from home.0 -
I do think you are right in what players think of fans and how remote they are from those that live in the ‘real’ world.I just wouldn’t use the term bullying in the wider observation you make partly because fans are as likely to heap undue praise when it’s not always due too.It’s just the uniqueness of football - rightly or wrongly.1
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Yeah that is true and a fair comment.valleynick66 said:I do think you are right in what players think of fans and how remote they are from those that live in the ‘real’ world.I just wouldn’t use the term bullying in the wider observation you make partly because fans are as likely to heap undue praise when it’s not always due too.It’s just the uniqueness of football - rightly or wrongly.0 -
Did you read the last line? I'll say it again.JustFloydRoad said:Covered End said:When the season's predictions were made nearly all of our fans thought we would be bottom half.
Most of us thought we would be in a scrap with 6 or 7 teams to stay up.
So we are positioned where most of us thought we would be.
Ok, we may improve and end up in a comfortable position, but it's not looking the most likely outcome.
The biggest key to survival will most likely be picking up points at home and to do that we need to stick together and get behind the team, not just in the good times, but also when things aren't going our way.
We know what we need to do, so let's continue to do it.
We lost 5-1 to Southampton and were chanting Nathan Jones Red Army what else do you want?!Things went a tad quiet at Norwich (after they scored), but apart from that tw** on X who created an account to trash on every Charlton Manager since JJ (go on X now it is now Nathan Jones out, but their handle is @bengardnerout), but we are still behind Nathan.This is not last season you know (though by this time last season we had beaten Northampton and Cambridge United, so this was the period of the turn around)
"We know what we need to do, so let's CONTINUE to do it.0 -
The covid year proved this to be 100% false.MrOneLung said:The crowd has zero influence
There was little difference that year between results home & away.0 -
Newcastle home won 5 drawn 5 lost 2blackpool72 said:The crowd obviously has some effect on the team, but not as much as some are suggesting.
If a noisy crowd getting behind the team every game was that important then Newcastle would win the league every year
Newcastle away won 1 drawn 3 lost 50 -
Charlton home won 5 drawn 2 lost 3 17 points from 10 games
Charlton away won 2 drawn 4 lost 6 10 points from 12 games
I know it's not only the support, but it's the main factor.
As I said in the covid season with no/next to no fans there was little difference in home & away results.0 -
The vast majority of our supporters are pretty sensible and have realistic expectations of the team. This season was always going to be tough, given that the two clubs we came up with have resources which totally dwarf ours, with our budget very probably one of the smallest in the Championship. Most of our players have also not played at this level before and the same applies to our League 1 recruits.
Ultimately, our fate will depend upon what the players do on the pitch but, in games of tight margins, having a supportive fan basis can make a difference. Despite the recent bad run, our supporters have stuck with the team and the absence of negativity is certainly a positive. There are always going to be some fans who like to barrack individual players, whether at games or on social media, but they are, I believe, very much in a minority. The rest of us can see that the team and the individuals within it are doing their best. It may ultimately transpire that their best is not good enough at this level but, if so, it won't be for the want of trying.
The atmosphere at The Valley has been good this season and, with 13 home games in the second half of the season, it could certainly help us garner some vital results to keep us up.3 -
Criticise players online is one thing, I’ve never understood getting on backs / being abusive during games.Just seems so counterproductive7
