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Leicester City deducted 6 points with immediate effect - upheld on appeal (p9)

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,686
    If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape. 

    be hilarious if Spurs do get relegated, can't imagine any of their players having relegation clauses in their contracts.

    If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape. 

    be hilarious if Spurs do get relegated, can't imagine any of their players having relegation clauses in their contracts.

    They all do. 50% pay cuts is what is being advertised.

    I stand corrected.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,437
    sam3110 said:
    Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up 
    Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them. 

    If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down. 

    Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
    And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.

    If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
    Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square one 
    So is he saying they should have some kind of immunity? that's ridiculous and would make a mockery of the fundamental principles of a league based system

    Maybe they could look at selling their 100m training complex to balance the books a bit.
    No he didn’t say they should have immunity, but that’s his take on why Leceister were only deducted 6 points opposed to 9-12 like they should have done. Most clubs relegation is a kick in the teeth for Leicester to go to L1 it’s the equivalent of taking a hammer to the face. Financially if they avoid relegation they can manage to dig themselves out the hole albeit be tough if they get relegated Methven  described it as being emergency red flags. Really fascinating listen on YouTube 
    So that idiot Methven is saying the ‘punishment’ should be set at a rate that won’t ‘punish’ them that much - pathetic 
    In defence of Charlie (for once), I'm not sure he's saying that he thinks that is what SHOULD happen, only that he thinks that is why the people who made the decision chose as they did. It's not necessarily what he himself would advocate for.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,969
    If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape. 

    be hilarious if Spurs do get relegated, can't imagine any of their players having relegation clauses in their contracts.

    That is a very fair point.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,489
    sam3110 said:
    Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up 
    Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them. 

    If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down. 

    Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
    And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.

    If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
    Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square one 
    So is he saying they should have some kind of immunity? that's ridiculous and would make a mockery of the fundamental principles of a league based system

    Maybe they could look at selling their 100m training complex to balance the books a bit.
    No he didn’t say they should have immunity, but that’s his take on why Leceister were only deducted 6 points opposed to 9-12 like they should have done. Most clubs relegation is a kick in the teeth for Leicester to go to L1 it’s the equivalent of taking a hammer to the face. Financially if they avoid relegation they can manage to dig themselves out the hole albeit be tough if they get relegated Methven  described it as being emergency red flags. Really fascinating listen on YouTube 
    We all know Charlie-boy has some neck, but this is peak giraffe. If only the EFL had a recent example of what happens to a club that descends straight from the PL to L1 in successive seasons…oh but wait, they do. Sunderland. They even found two blokes ready to buy them as they plummeted into L1. And where are Sunderland now? Oh… Funny, I seem to recall that one of those two blokes argued that they bohnced back due to his genius in dealing with all the losses and making the club an attractive business proposition that attracted the Dreyfus family. I think this bloke was basically arguing that there should be a statue of him erected outside the SoL. If only I could remember his name, the man is obviously a football genius, and ideal to take over at Leicester in L1 next season.
  • Getting rather critical this is finalised.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,861
    Thankfully at a point where this shouldn’t really impact us 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,113
    I wonder if we'll get a verdict at some point during the international break.

    Only 7 games remain after that with 2 of them coming immediately after the return over the Easter weekend. So at that point there's then only 5 games left which is surely leaving it a bit late
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,382
    I think the capitulation at home to a poor QPR side is the death knell any way. Can't see them getting themselves out of it as others are picking up results.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,649
    edited March 16
    International break is the perfect time to sort this all out once and for all even if I don't think they're actually going to manage to save themselves. Watford , Preston and Sheffield Wednesday are pretty kind games to have as a next 3 but I just don't think this is a squad that even under Rowett will roll their sleeves up and stay up 

    If they need anything final day at Blackburn I would be surprised if they got it. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,113
    Croydon said:
    I think the capitulation at home to a poor QPR side is the death knell any way. Can't see them getting themselves out of it as others are picking up results.
    Their 2 games over easter are Preston home and Sheff Weds away. Considering they need at least 4 wins from 8 i'd say those 2 games are absolute must wins.

    They could easily win those and then suddenly someone else is back in trouble again. The reality is that the situation down there is probably going to change week by week.

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,720
    Do we know if the appeal hearing has actually taken place yet ? There must be somewhere that has details on when its being heard.

    Obviously the result of the appeal may take some time after, but just knowing that a panel has heard it would be nice !
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 13,479
    Do we know if the appeal hearing has actually taken place yet ? There must be somewhere that has details on when its being heard.

    Obviously the result of the appeal may take some time after, but just knowing that a panel has heard it would be nice !
    Please don't tell me you're looking for "transparency" in a major decision like this?

    Blimey, you should know better by now.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,118
    Haven't the Premier league also appealed the decision? Or have they withdrawn that appeal?
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,840
    Waiting to see who is most likely to finish 4th bottom i suspect, then take a view based on whether they are likely to cause a new problem for their lordships.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 13,479
    Waiting to see who is most likely to finish 4th bottom i suspect, then take a view based on whether they are likely to cause a new problem for their lordships.
    In other words, Chef Wendy: The Sequel.

    The first film was shite too ...
  • Miserableoldgit
    Miserableoldgit Posts: 21,550
    All gone very quiet.......Man City Revisited?
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,113
    All gone very quiet.......Man City Revisited?
    Hardly. City's has been ongoing for years, Leicester only appealed against their decision last month.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,706
    You'd like to think it will be resolved over the international break.
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,868
    You'd like to think it will be resolved over the international break.

  • Speculation from me, but surely the longer this goes on the more likely the points deduction will remain at 6 points.

    More speculation on my part - the hoped-for situation was that Leicester would pick up more points than they have done, that the penalty could be increased, and the matter would quietly go away. That hasn't happened.

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  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,451
    Speculation from me, but surely the longer this goes on the more likely the points deduction will remain at 6 points.

    More speculation on my part - the hoped-for situation was that Leicester would pick up more points than they have done, that the penalty could be increased, and the matter would quietly go away. That hasn't happened.
    I would have thought it the other way round.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,911
    Either way, I feel they need to decide before the end of the season or it’ll look dodgy whatever outcome they decide.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,706
    I was slightly surprised it wasn't resolved in the international break. It would be ridiculous if the points deduction was changed with one game to go, and a team like Oxford who thought they were outside the bottom 3 suddenly drop into it.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,173
    I was slightly surprised it wasn't resolved in the international break. It would be ridiculous if the points deduction was changed with one game to go, and a team like Oxford who thought they were outside the bottom 3 suddenly drop into it.
    There will be legal action if a team goes down instead of Leicester. Simple as that.

    If it were us I would hope the owners and SMT would have the balls to throw everything at going after the authorities 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,310
    Utterly ridiculous this wasn't sorted weeks ago
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,720
    Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.

    Eg.

    You have 2 weeks to appeal  & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later. 

    So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,259
    Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.

    Eg.

    You have 2 weeks to appeal  & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later. 

    So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.
    How can the EFL do that when they are not the ones hearing the appeal? 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,358
    Wouldn’t be surprised if we’ll hear something by the end of the week and they’ll use Easter as a reason for the delay.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,170
    2 month anniversary of the points deduction today.

    The authorities (who actually is hearing the appeal if it’s not the EFL?) really make life difficult for themselves because if the penalty gets reduced they’ll probably have another club appealing. It was in their interest to get this sorted out immediately.