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Leicester City deducted 6 points with immediate effect - upheld on appeal (p9)
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Whoever it is in charge of this will just leave it as is, 'coz it's the easiest decision, we are just clutching at straws if we are expecting anything else...0
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https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4592634/premier-league-statement-leicester-city-appealjimmymelrose said:2 month anniversary of the points deduction today.
The authorities (who actually is hearing the appeal if it’s not the EFL?) really make life difficult for themselves because if the penalty gets reduced they’ll probably have another club appealing. It was in their interest to get this sorted out immediately.
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From memory when the EFL appealed against Macclesfield’s level of deduction the appeal decision was announced sometime after the end of the season. The EFL won the appeal and the further deduction took Macclesfield below Stevenage and into a relegation spot. Hopefully administrators have learned from that debacle1
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Personally think they want to give leceister a further points deduction but don’t want it to be the deciding factor to get them relegated so they’re delaying as long as possible until they know what’s the max they can give them without being damming4
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I'm still hopeful that its not a delaying tactic & someone somewhere is actually activity working on it.1
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Well, the League Arbitration Panel has been created, is administered and funded by the EFL. So while obviously it cannot just do as Golfie suggests, the EFL is responsible if the Panel’s work has a negative effect on how football operates, which I think is already happening in the Leicester case.Stu_of_Kunming said:
How can the EFL do that when they are not the ones hearing the appeal?golfaddick said:Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.
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You have 2 weeks to appeal & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later.
So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.2 -
PragueAddick said:
Well, the League Arbitration Panel has been created, is administered and funded by the EFL. So while obviously it cannot just do as Golfie suggests, the EFL is responsible if the Panel’s work has a negative effect on how football operates, which I think is already happening in the Leicester case.Stu_of_Kunming said:
How can the EFL do that when they are not the ones hearing the appeal?golfaddick said:Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.
Eg.
You have 2 weeks to appeal & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later.
So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.The Arbitration Panel was only involved earlier to sort out the jurisdiction issue and that went in favour of the PL, not the EFL.
The appeal is being handled by an Appeal Board appointed by the Chair of the Judicial Panel, which sits within the PL’s independent process. So it’s not really in the EFL’s hands at all now and there’s not much they can do about timing or outcome.
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I genuinely don’t understand why appeals and adjudications are so complicated and time protracted. The panel should meet with all parties and hear evidence in a day or two at most and give a verdict and let’s be generous, a week later. The organisation of football in England is appalling. I can only assume (probably incorrectly) that these suits get remunerated by the day and any legal representation have a vested interest in dragging things out. It’s bad for all the clubs in The Championship relegation battle and it’s worse for Leicester who at least deserve to know their fate and subsequent needs of preparation in a timely fashion. My guess is that they want to be sure that Leicester are relegated without the need of a further deduction. They desperately don’t want to be a panel that certainly relegates them.6
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Perhaps I am being naive and / or unrealistic but why is it necessary to have arbitration panels, appeal boards, and independent what its names?
Why can’t the EFL have a system where clubs hand in their accounts for the previous year by 31st July and points deductions are made with immediate effect before the start of the season, with for example a 1 point deduction for each 1/5/10 million in debt?
Owners can only pour private money into academies, stadium, training ground and other stipulated infrastructure as much as they want with no penalty. However no money other than profit can be used for transfers and wages. This would force wage decreases so players may even finish by being on ’only’ 50000 - 200000 a year the poor guys. Alternatively you can pay what you want and take the points deductions. Clubs would soon have the adjust when they see that other clubs with much lower budgets are outperforming them in the league table.
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What !!!!! That would end the gravy train.jimmymelrose said:Perhaps I am being naive and / or unrealistic but why is it necessary to have arbitration panels, appeal boards, and independent what its names?
Why can’t the EFL have a system where clubs hand in their accounts for the previous year by 31st July and points deductions are made with immediate effect before the start of the season, with for example a 1 point deduction for each 1/5/10 million in debt?
Owners can only pour private money into academies, stadium, training ground and other stipulated infrastructure as much as they want with no penalty. However no money other than profit can be used for transfers and wages. This would force wage decreases so players may even finish by being on ’only’ 50000 - 200000 a year the poor guys. Alternatively you can pay what you want and take the points deductions. Clubs would soon have the adjust when they see that other clubs with much lower budgets are outperforming them in the league table.3 -
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Because the clubs wouldn't agree to it.jimmymelrose said:
Why can’t the EFL have a system where clubs hand in their accounts for the previous year by 31st July and points deductions are made with immediate effect before the start of the season, with for example a 1 point deduction for each 1/5/10 million in debt?3 -
So, it turns out that you were right to correct me, even though I had taken the precaution of checking with ChatGPT about the respective panels before commenting, as I had no real idea. I missed the point that the Leicester case refers to transgressions while they were in the FAPL. One of their defences is that they should not be tried by the FAPL’s boards because they have been relegated.Stu_of_Kunming said:PragueAddick said:
Well, the League Arbitration Panel has been created, is administered and funded by the EFL. So while obviously it cannot just do as Golfie suggests, the EFL is responsible if the Panel’s work has a negative effect on how football operates, which I think is already happening in the Leicester case.Stu_of_Kunming said:
How can the EFL do that when they are not the ones hearing the appeal?golfaddick said:Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.
Eg.
You have 2 weeks to appeal & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later.
So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.The Arbitration Panel was only involved earlier to sort out the jurisdiction issue and that went in favour of the PL, not the EFL.
The appeal is being handled by an Appeal Board appointed by the Chair of the Judicial Panel, which sits within the PL’s independent process. So it’s not really in the EFL’s hands at all now and there’s not much they can do about timing or outcome.
As @ShootersHillGuru rightly says, it is ridiculously complicated. One reason is of course the historically stupid and entirely unnecessary decision by the FA to allow the PL to become a separate commercial entity within the supposed pyramid. In a sane structure, an FA staffed by competent people would be running these disciplinary boards and appeals boards. I do understand that the sheer amount of money sloshing around requires an internal appeals board system, otherwise stroppy but loaded owners would head straight to the courts.3 -
Different governing bodies when you have promotion / relegation is a recipe for disaster I suppose.2
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The clubs voted for all the financial rules and penalties in place at the moment.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Because the clubs wouldn't agree to it.jimmymelrose said:
Why can’t the EFL have a system where clubs hand in their accounts for the previous year by 31st July and points deductions are made with immediate effect before the start of the season, with for example a 1 point deduction for each 1/5/10 million in debt?
The League is not an independant competition, it's "members club" with rules and regs passed by the members (the individual football clubs) after a free vote.
If the clubs don't want the rules to apply to them they should propose a new "exemption" rule for themselves - and good luck getting that through - or eff off to another competition.0 -
Agreed, it's crazy that we are now less than one month from the end of the season and this is still pending.killerandflash said:I was slightly surprised it wasn't resolved in the international break. It would be ridiculous if the points deduction was changed with one game to go, and a team like Oxford who thought they were outside the bottom 3 suddenly drop into it.
However i suspect the decision will end up with it just being kept the same.1 -
But didn't they get away with it in the Prem because their budget transgression was from when they went up in the Champ?PragueAddick said:
So, it turns out that you were right to correct me, even though I had taken the precaution of checking with ChatGPT about the respective panels before commenting, as I had no real idea. I missed the point that the Leicester case refers to transgressions while they were in the FAPL. One of their defences is that they should not be tried by the FAPL’s boards because they have been relegated.Stu_of_Kunming said:PragueAddick said:
Well, the League Arbitration Panel has been created, is administered and funded by the EFL. So while obviously it cannot just do as Golfie suggests, the EFL is responsible if the Panel’s work has a negative effect on how football operates, which I think is already happening in the Leicester case.Stu_of_Kunming said:
How can the EFL do that when they are not the ones hearing the appeal?golfaddick said:Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.
Eg.
You have 2 weeks to appeal & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later.
So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.The Arbitration Panel was only involved earlier to sort out the jurisdiction issue and that went in favour of the PL, not the EFL.
The appeal is being handled by an Appeal Board appointed by the Chair of the Judicial Panel, which sits within the PL’s independent process. So it’s not really in the EFL’s hands at all now and there’s not much they can do about timing or outcome.
As @ShootersHillGuru rightly says, it is ridiculously complicated. One reason is of course the historically stupid and entirely unnecessary decision by the FA to allow the PL to become a separate commercial entity within the supposed pyramid. In a sane structure, an FA staffed by competent people would be running these disciplinary boards and appeals boards. I do understand that the sheer amount of money sloshing around requires an internal appeals board system, otherwise stroppy but loaded owners would head straight to the courts.
Now they are arguing the reverse!
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Just to be on the safe side, deduct another four points 🙏3
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They didn't get away with it in the Premier league, they were charged by the PL, but the EFL took the case on following their relegation to the Championship.CharltonManor1966 said:
But didn't they get away with it in the Prem because their budget transgression was from when they went up in the Champ?PragueAddick said:
So, it turns out that you were right to correct me, even though I had taken the precaution of checking with ChatGPT about the respective panels before commenting, as I had no real idea. I missed the point that the Leicester case refers to transgressions while they were in the FAPL. One of their defences is that they should not be tried by the FAPL’s boards because they have been relegated.Stu_of_Kunming said:PragueAddick said:
Well, the League Arbitration Panel has been created, is administered and funded by the EFL. So while obviously it cannot just do as Golfie suggests, the EFL is responsible if the Panel’s work has a negative effect on how football operates, which I think is already happening in the Leicester case.Stu_of_Kunming said:
How can the EFL do that when they are not the ones hearing the appeal?golfaddick said:Even before an appeal was made there should have been a deadline in place.
Eg.
You have 2 weeks to appeal & any appeal will be heard 2 weeks later.
So simple. Yet so difficult for the EFL to do.The Arbitration Panel was only involved earlier to sort out the jurisdiction issue and that went in favour of the PL, not the EFL.
The appeal is being handled by an Appeal Board appointed by the Chair of the Judicial Panel, which sits within the PL’s independent process. So it’s not really in the EFL’s hands at all now and there’s not much they can do about timing or outcome.
As @ShootersHillGuru rightly says, it is ridiculously complicated. One reason is of course the historically stupid and entirely unnecessary decision by the FA to allow the PL to become a separate commercial entity within the supposed pyramid. In a sane structure, an FA staffed by competent people would be running these disciplinary boards and appeals boards. I do understand that the sheer amount of money sloshing around requires an internal appeals board system, otherwise stroppy but loaded owners would head straight to the courts.
Now they are arguing the reverse!
Madness.......
So although technically the Premier League had jurisdiction (as they were in the PL for the 3 year window in which they failed), they were sanctioned under the EFL's PSR rules.1 -
Waiting for the outcome not to affect us before I say they should have an extra 3 points deducted to stop teams making these sort of appeals on cut and dried matters.0
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Just announced on sky that 6 points appeal has been lost. So 6 points deduction remains.16
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Correct decision.bolloxbolder said:Just announced on sky that 6 points appeal has been lost. So 6 points deduction remains.
Still a joke it took so long to announce it.4 -
Am I right in thinking that the appeal to increase the deduction is still ongoing?bolloxbolder said:Just announced on sky that 6 points appeal has been lost. So 6 points deduction remains.1 -
Deduct another six for a spurious appeal I say...🤔fenaddick said:6 -
Always seemed the likely outcome, but nice to get it confirmed before the end of the season so everyone in the bottom 6 to 8 teams know exactly where they stand and what they need to do.4
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I think they should add at least another point to disuade future appeals.3
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thenewbie said:
Am I right in thinking that the appeal to increase the deduction is still ongoing?bolloxbolder said:Just announced on sky that 6 points appeal has been lost. So 6 points deduction remains.I was wondering that too, but no, it's been dismissed. Full decision is here:1 -
No, both appeals (by LCFC & PL) were dismissedthenewbie said:
Am I right in thinking that the appeal to increase the deduction is still ongoing?bolloxbolder said:Just announced on sky that 6 points appeal has been lost. So 6 points deduction remains.1 -
Really hope Leicester go down, it should be 12 points and they would be gone
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